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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:39 pm PDT

You would not say !!

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Hmmm...what I believe is that women like Maria are afraid to tell the men that their child isn't theirs, because they are afraid that he is going to leave her, & her family, & that's what I can understand on. It also happened with Frankie & Gwen a few weeks ago (just titled "Frankie & Gwen"). I also have to say that women like her aren't evil creatures. True, what she did was wrong, but probably has a good reason, & that women do bad things just as the men, but they're definitely not evil. No matter what bad things they have done, I would never degrade women, like calling them awful names & such, because they're totally disrespectful. I also think that the man should continue to be in her life, just because he's been in her life for so long. If I was in the man's situation, I would continue to be there for the child, & support him/her. Should DNA matter? Absolutely not.
That DNA would not matter if you were on death row. I wonder if that statement you said know that DNA means nothing has changed in your mind know,
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:39 pm PDT

Jail time.

I am a mother of  2 daughter's that survived the "divorce train"!!  I, also, had to constantly fight my ex husband for every bit of help for my daughters, but....I think this part of the law is not set up for anyone's benefit not even the children.  That has given the mother's too much legal power , and not  much thought to the children's welfare.  I think the injustice of the mother's not either admitting who the father is OR keeping the truth from everyone is worse than abuse.  So if this lie is a degree of mental abuse to the child, should they not get jail time for the abuse and be "labled" child abuser.  Maybe a mother might think twice to keep a secret like that if they thought jail time could come from this horrible lie!!  Doesn't it also teach the children that if you lie about anything that effects a child,(that effects anyone, it is okay?  I grew up in a small town and I know that a women naming a man that was not the real father happens a lot!!  It did in our town and I often wondered what would happen if as thses child (who ended up being fathered by the same man)  wanted to date as they got older, what would the mother do knowing they were really brother and sister!!)  A child finding a truth about thier on genes and background, a truth about who they are cannot be a bad thing.  I really think these mothers have committed the true crimes
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:40 pm PDT

Children don't deserve this...

There isn't anything that hurts as much as a child in pain.  Why do the children have to suffer and no one tells them WHY...I spent the last hour crying for Selina and also for a grandchild of mine.  This last weekend my son was to have his two daughters, ages 5 and 8.  Their mother (recently remarried) and her new husband refused to let the 5 year old come.  They have recently told the 5 year old that my son was not her real daddy.   My son was there when she was born and knew immediately  she was not his biological. He signed the birth certificate and brought her into our home and into our hearts.  He has been the only daddy she has ever known and she worships him.  Like they said "YOU DON"T TAKE A KID TO THE PARK AND SAY BY THE WAY GUESS WHAT".  The 8 year old is hurting too, this is the first time she didn't have her sister with her here.  He pays child support and hospitalization on both children.  He too recently remarried and has a new son.  Now they have contacted the REAL father and he never wanted to be her dad as he is married.  How can these precious children be kept in the right homes where they are so loved and wanted.   There are so many other things going on too, as I am sure you suspect.  How do we protect these children that are wanted.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:40 pm PDT

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     I agree with you in that the child should be the first consideration. I agree with the female lawyer that Enrique should have handled the matter quite differently, especially confirming to Salina, that their relationship will not change, express his love to her to re-inforce that bond they had made. Then in a different setting, with a witness, inform her of the truth of their biological relationship, all the time letting her know, that this situation involves him and her mother, and that he wants to continue their relationship. If in fact it was proven that he was not the biological father, then there should be no mandatory child support enforced by the courts. The child support at that time should become voluntary by the parent. It should remain voluntary, and when the mother re-marries, it terminates.  The mother should not be allowed to terminate the child-parent(adult) relationship even if the child support should stop, again re-inforcing the primary concern of the child.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:40 pm PDT

parent trap

This is a no brainer.  Shame on Enrique for telling his daughter about the DNA testing and treating her differently than her sister.  Shame on Maria for taking Enrique's money after the DNA disproved his paternity.  And shame on Mia for intruding where she clearly doesn't belong. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:40 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

It seems to me that the wrong committed was to the gentlemen that was told this was his child; taking away from him the ability to make an informed decision at the time as well as his chance to bond with a biological child of his own and a women that did not lie to him.  The gentlemen should be paid back.  We all should take heed and remember make informed decisions because there are consequences.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:40 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I was furious after watching todays show.  The only thing I could agree with regarding the California lawyers were, that first and fore most the child is what's most important. She is totally wrong if she feels that after a paternity test that the father who by DNA is not really the biological father still is responsible for  child support. That man can continue a relationship with the child if all agree but should not be liable for any money unless he feels he still wants to on his own free will. The mother  that falsly tell someone they are "the father" when they knowingly had more than one partner should be totally liable. I feel they should be held accountable by being responsible for a DNA test if they are had more than one partner before telling anyone they are the father! I feel so strongly about this that I would say it should be illegal! And on the other side of the coin, men should be smart about this too by wearing a condom!!!!!!! It was stated on your show and was 100% correct. Why can DNA get you off from being accused of murder but not from being falsly told "your the father"! Makes no sense at all!!!!!!!!  There are many many cases of  lazy dads that do not pay child support, I agree. But that does not mean you find someone, anyone, that will!!!!!!!!!! I am a divorced mother with 2 children and they have a great father, so I'm one of the lucky ones. I think women who participate in this kind of man trap should be put in jail!  Hold them 100% responsible for DNA test. If they do not have the test and tell someone they are the father and that person pays the child support and at any point a DNA test is done and that father finds out they are not the father, that father should get all his money back and the mother should be arrested for falsly accusing if she never bothered with the test.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:40 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I too, would like to see some punishment for this mother, who knowingly gave false information on the birth certificate.  Isn't there already a law about falsifying legal documents?  How can we be sure a mother is not truthful at the beginning?  Do paternity tests as a matter of course for all new borns????
sweety you r not wrong in any way here if I got pragnet and my husband asked me if it was his kid I would tell him I wanted a divorce. This is so wrong and if a person feels their relationship isn't working than get out of it . But don't cheat on someone.Thants just wrong  Good for you on your opinion
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:41 pm PDT

By the way..for the record...

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The current wife and HER behavior are only going to compound this girl's emotional problems by the way she wants her husband to toss her to the side. This poor child already has a deceitful, manipulative mother and a father who walked out on her. She doesn't need this woman adding her 2 cents where it doesn't belong. She needs to butt out.

I don't know where you are getting that from.  I have NEVER said on the show or otherwise that I want Enrique to toss aside this child.  NEVER!  I'm not sure where you are getting that from.  I will go on record here, once again, I believe that he should have a relationship with the Selina.  I love my husband and only want to be supportive of him.  Who would make a choice to be in this situation?  There are so many other positive things in this life that someone could have put my energy into.  I chose to support my husband and I'm proud of that fact!  You are entitled to state your feelings but I know you're wrong and that's all that matters.

Mia Terrazas
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:41 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I think the entire thing is rediculous. The mother should be ashamed of herself! Unfortunately its the child that ends up getting hurt the most, however i could only imagine how devistating it must have been to find out that the women you loved betray your trust, and duped you into fathering a child that was concieved during an affair. The biological father should be hunted down and made aware that he has a child. The biological father should be held financially responsible. However the man who raised the child should be held emotionally responsible for the child. Meaning he should continue to love and care for the child emotionally, but should NOT be held financially responsible.

How rediculous is this notion to begin with. Why should someone be punished for anothers descretions. If you cheat and become pregnant, you owe it to your spouse and yourself to be honest from the beginning. But more so you OWE IT TO YOUR CHILD to tell the truth! No matter how ashamed or guilty you feel, it can only get worse when the truth reaches the surface. And by then its too late!

I do agree with you on this.  My nephew as a son that he found out was not biologically his when the child was 2 yrs old.  As far as I know the real father still does not know and the child does not know who his biological father is.  I can almost bet the mother knew from the start and was asked several times about this and she lied every time.  It does not mean we love this little guy any less than the biological children but would have been nice to know the truth from the beginning.  As far as child support, my nephew has to pay until this child is 18 because his name is on the birth certificate (which i do not agree with).  I feel the biological father should have to pay child support and my nephew continue to treat him as his own, to love and cherish him every day.   As far as the child knows, my nephew is his dad.
 
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