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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:41 pm PDT

I'm a Dad

Dr. Phil, I have been married for 14 years and have 3 children ages 10, 6 & 5.  If for some reason I found out one or all were not mind there is no way I could love them less than I do now. There is also no way I could expect or would want to receive the money I have invested in them back. I also do not feel like I should be responsible to legally support them anymore but I think most men would still want to support the children he has raised. I also do not understand how the gentleman, Carnell Smith, was forced to pay child support after he proved the child was not his. As for, high-profile feminist attorney Gloria Allred , I think her title says enough for her.  I didn't hear anything she said that was relevent to this show. Yes, there is alot a dead beat Dads, but the few Dads that were wronged by a these types of woman should not have to pay the price.  I think it all comes down to the motives of each individual. If the woman knowingly framed a man I think she should be held accountable, but if the man paid child support for 1 day or 10 years I don't think he should expect any money back as he should also be held accountable to knowing if he fathered a child.

 

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October 29, 2007, 2:41 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I am somewhat frustrated with our child support system.  If a woman lies about a man being the father of a child then he shouldn't have to pay child support forcefully.  He should be able to have a relationship with the child emotionally and if he chooses take care of the child financially.  Or, maybe we should make DNA testing mandatory.  This will cut out a lot of not knowing and letting the biological parents of the hook.  Also, if it's truly about the child then the mothers shouldn't care if money is in the equation if the man isn't the biological father.  It should truly be about the emotional.  I am in a situation now where I take care of a child along with her father and he's being dinged for child support. He doesn't have the financial resources to get a lawyer so therefore he's stuck even though she lives with him.  How is this a fair situation.  He should be able to walk in the office with proof he's taking care of his child and not have a lawyer just as the mother didn't need a lawyer to put the child support on him.  I guess what I am trying to say is the whole system needs to be evaluated.  maybe a recert every year just like we do the welfare system should be required for child support to ensure things or being handled correctly. The system shouldn't just be for women bout for both genders.

 

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T

 I absolutely agree with you! Hospitals should take a DNA test right after birth of each child regardless if the parents are married or not! That is a simple solution! The law is totaly for women only! My husband has a child from a previous marriage and has been paying child support for 11 years now. Don't get me wrong I think he should be obligated to help support her but why should the man have to pay a huge amount each month plus provide food,clothing,toys,etc when the child is at his house. I think it should be evaluated on his participation in the child's life and what he is paying for and providing at his home. Plus when mom gets remarried then there is now the mother and a stepfather in the home providing for the child so shouldn't they evaluate that compared to dad and his income?!?! Then dad gets remarried and has more children and the state doesn't care if he can support his children living in the home all the time they only care about the first wife being supported and the first child being supported that already has two other people supporting them! It is all rediculous they don't give a crap about the father and his family living in his home! In the case of this family I think that the little girl needs to get help in undestanding that the mother was the one in the wrong!

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:42 pm PDT

very sorry

It has been five mouth , I haven't worked because my husband was very sick. I'm just sad all the time because he was in the army and they will not pay him a 100% disablity.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:42 pm PDT

My 2 cents

As a faithful mother and wife this is very upsetting.  Unfortunately, I think there should be some sort of paternity testing after birth in the hospital in order to avoid this situation.  I believe todays society has brought it to this point..   I understand the child's feelings, but I wonder if selena ever questioned or was mad at her mother.  I don't think it's fair for men who are not the fathers to have to pay child support unless they want to,, obviously.  Like Dr. Phil said, he had no reason to ask his wife if the child was his.  I would be so pissed off if my husband asked me whether our son was ours, so therefore I think a woman should sign a legal declaration stating who she thinks and knows who the father is.  then you can blame the courts and not your spouse for asking stupid yet necessary questions sometimes. and Gloria is just a man hating feminist woman.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:42 pm PDT

Mothers should be responsible legally and emotionally

There should be a law against a mother for lying paternity of a child.  Our children are growing up in a world full of lies, greed, and hate. I think problems like these are what is causing most of our problems in this world.  What have the children done to deserve this pain?  Shame on Maria and all mothers who do this to their children.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:42 pm PDT

Agree

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I think that If DNA test were mandatory at every birth, this problem wouldnt be an issue. Women would not be ble to lie, and the kids would not suffer in the long run. 

I totally agree with this. That way the man does not have to ask that forbidden question, and these rotten woman can't lie. MANDATORY DNA at birth.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:42 pm PDT

No Way!

If I were the man who has been victimized by the cheating, lying, "ex", and the legal system placed such a verdict on me, I would just let them put the cuffs on me and haul my ass to jail, but there is not any way I would pay a single cent in additional child support!  I would rot in hell before I would.  I agree that this issue is about the child, but not at the expense of justice.  The lying, cheating, woman who created this mess should be required to repay every cent the victimized "parent" has spent, or SHE should go to jail!  I would continue loving the child while in prison, but the "justice" system could take care of both of us.  Aziceit. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:42 pm PDT

I am the product of an affair during my mother's marriage

While watching today’s show, my life was displayed.  I am the product of an affair during my mother's marriage to my legal father.  Their marriage was turbulent which led to my mother seeking companionship outside their marriage.  In 1961, my mother and my biological father chose (meaning she was planned) to have my sister.  After my sister’s birth, my mother chose to give my sister my legal father’s (my mother’s husband) last name.  My mother states that my legal father questioned paternity, but that is all that happened.  Seven years later after several break-ups, my mother and legal father legally separated.  My mother and my biological father (my sister and I have the same father) decided to have another child, and I was conceived.  At the time of my birth, my legal father took my mother to the hospital and signed his name on my birth certificate (just as he did my sister), knowing that neither I nor my sister are his children.

During my childhood, I always knew that I was not my legal father’s child.  He and I never developed a closeness and I always wondered why.  I later found out that my legal father was too scared that I might develop a relationship with my biological father, and my legal father would be emotionally hurt– for my legal father, it was just easier to love me from a distance, and he did.  My legal father was always a provider for me and my sister – all our material needs were taken care of.  My biological father never stayed around long enough – also from fear of getting hurt by my mother and my legal father.

During my early 20’s, the relationship between my legal father and I changed.  I don’t recall the need, but it was necessary that I visit my legal father at his job. I asked him, “when I arrive at your job, what am I to say that you are to me?” and he responded, “tell them that I am your father – you’re my daughter”.  Tears welled in my eyes, because for the first time in my life, I felt like I had a father – and every since then, he has not been my legal father, he is my dad.

I am now 39 years old and I am the primary caregiver for my dad who is dying from Alzheimer’s – he is in the final stage.  I could not see life any other way than the way it is right now – me taking care of him.  For over twenty years, my dad cared for me and loved me as if I were his own.  I know there were days that he looked at me and saw my biological father, but he continued to provide for me and love me in his own way. 

So watching today’s show was very emotional for me because although my circumstances are very similar to the guest on your show, my experience has been extremely different.  My dad showed me love – unconditionally.  To my knowledge, he never fought my mother about paternity or child support, and in turn, my mother never demanded him to do it – he just loved me because I did nothing wrong – I am the product of an affair.

 I am forever thankful for my dad, because he is and was the father I thought I never had.

 

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October 29, 2007, 2:42 pm PDT

The only Victim here is the child

 First off, the new wife knew this man raised and considered this girl his daughter her whole entire life, she was 10 not 1 when she convinced him to do a DNA test.  If she was any kind of a women she would have kept her mouth shut and have been proud to have been with a man that was willing to be a wonderful father even though seperated from the child's mother. How proud of herself she must be to know she definately played a hand in Selena's hurt.

How dare this man walk away and treat this girl as a stranger after raising her and loving her as his own for 10 years. Is if fair that he was lied to all this time? absolutely not but it was unfair to punish the mother through the child.  I can't blame Selena for not trusting him.  His so called need for "justice" could have ruined this girl for the rest of her life when it comes to her self esteem and future relationships.

The mother seems more concerned about the loss of child support than she does about the emotional stability of her daughter.  She laughs and acts as though this is a great feat for her to have the law on her side when it comes to child support but I wonder how much she'll laugh later on when it comes back to bite her you know where. 

The only victim here is Selena, I have no sympathy or respect for either parent or the new wife and the only responsible adult amongst all of these people seems to be the new husband.

Disgusting set of people, RUN SELENA RUN!
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:42 pm PDT

I agree!

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Gloria is an embarrassment to all females!! Most of the stuff that comes out of her mouth is absolutely idiotic!! I do feel sorry for the child in this story, but Gloria is soooo way off base.  The child's mom should be 100% responsible for all of this mess.  You reap what you sow.

She is a waste of a human being.And she is a lawyer? That is really scary !!!!
 
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