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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:55 pm PDT

Not a RARE Occurence

This happened to my husband. His ex-wife did not tell him he was not the biological father.  When she was 5 years old he decided to have a DNA test.  He modified the child support order and does not pay child support.  He has agreed not to tell the child the truth and continues to have a relationship with her.  However, we were lucky as his ex-wife agreed not to fight for child support.  The child is now 14 and does not know the truth.  I know one day she will find out the truth, and she will HATE her mother. 

 

The fathers and children are the victims.  How do we know that the women are not getting financial support from the real fathers?  I do not know how these woman sleep at night!  I think the women or the biological fathers should have to pay back all child support with interest.  Most men do not find out they are not the biological fathers until years later after they have developed a relationship.  This is once again the mothers fault.  They should be punished.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:55 pm PDT

Shame on mothers who lie about paternity

This paternity fraud is too common.  I think women who lie, omit telling the truth about a child's paternity, or falsify the child's birth certificate in any form or fashion should suffer a consequence.  I also think paternity tests should be given after every birth.  I believe the mother should have to sign a document stating it is a crime punishable by law to knowingly submit false information about the paternity of the child. (Enact laws if needed).

 

Paternity fraud especially hurts the  child and mis identified father, as well as members of his family i.e., paternal grand parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. I will never believe that a woman who slept with more than one man, could not tell from birth or very early in the child's life,  the biological father.  I don't know how these low life women can look the mis identified father and his family in the eyes.  

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:55 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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"Cathybritt" summarized how I feel exactly.   Thank you for your post.

 

This show was very distressing "on many levels" as Dr. Phil kept saying....however, since it seemed to focus on the money aspect, how come not one person, from Dr. Phil to that totally annoying, and big-mouth Gloria Allred (who also never listens to anyone else talk) suggested that maybe a solution to the "child support" issue is that Enrique might want to start a trust fund for Selina which money-grubbing Maria can't get her paws on.  Therefore he is acknowledging a connection to Selina, but on  his own terms.   Also, the husband Chris sat there the whole time - what, does he not have a job?  Do the 2 of them need to sponge off Enrique's child support?   So, child support was granted to Maria off a lie?  This is just too disturbing. 

 

I am so sorry for the child, and the trauma her MOTHER put her through.  I do think Enrique reacted emotionally to the news....and handled it poorly, but I'll bet he does build a new relationship with Selina away from her selfish mother, and that they are able to put the past in the past.  I wish them all the best in healing their broken hearts.

Me too.  Thanks!  You are right on.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:55 pm PDT

Parent Trap

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 I am Mia the current wife.  I first want to say my heart goes out to Enrique and Selina and everyone else involved. I dont feel it is my place to tell my husband how to feel about this devastating mess.  I suggested the possibility that Selina was not his daughter only after weeks of praying and discussing the topic with my daughter.  I had my suspicions in the beginning but chose not to voice them.  It was my daughter who talked me in to discussing this with my husband.  As my very wise daughter pointed out; Selina needs to know her medical history and her ethnical background, at a minimum.  I have never participated in tearing anyones family apart.  I have compassion and pray for everyone in this situation to find some peace and yes, that includes Maria and the children.  Its my firm believe and wish that Selina should have a trust fund and any child support money should go into that fund for her to do with as she chooses when she turns 18.  Ill stand by that!  I'm human and dealing with a difficult situation myself.  I know for me it's not about the money.  I have much more substance than that, my dear, however, you are entitled to your opinion!
Anyone who believes what you wrote will buy the Brooklyn Bridge too!  Talk about lies, you are lieing to yourself!
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:55 pm PDT

screwed

This has always been a delicate subject for me although I have no kids. What that man did was not right. He should have never broken off his relationship with the child BUT when that man found out that this wasn't his kid after all those years he was devastated and wanted to lash out the best way he knew how. After he cooled down he realized his mistake and wanted to make things right. The real wrongdoer in all this is that lying wife. She blames him for what he did but she was the actual troublemaker from the start. Shes a liar and a terrible mother. She and every other women who do these things should me made to pay back every penny of child support. It just pissed me off watching her laugh about it on that interview. I'll bet that if they start making the mothers pay back child support or go to jail that there will be a decline in this kind of deciept. Her husband should be very aware that if she slept with two men once while married theres a good chance she'll do it again. I guess I watch to much Maury but I just wanted to slap her in the mouth

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:56 pm PDT

birth certificates are sacred

It should be a prosecutable crime to lie on a birth certificate--this would deter this kind of thing happening

as well as some guy realizing he is the father of an adopted child and years later getting it back after being raised by others as well as preventing accidental incest(brother marries sister) Sperm and egg donors should have numbers

 

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October 29, 2007, 2:56 pm PDT

That lady sickens me!

 The mom in this case makes me literally ill!  Not just for the fact that she had an affair outside of her marrage, lot's of people do that but, not to take any responsibility in her actions pisses me off...!  Why in the world would she MAKE this man who is not the childs father pay for her?  She should have not lied to this poor poor man.  He is the victom not her.  Correction, the daugher is the biggest victom in this matter.  If this were me, I would have seen the pain in my daughter's eyes and gave that man every chance to still be in this poor girl's life without having to pay a dime.  Who give's a crap about the money, its the poor childs emotional well being that matters.  Everything about this case is because this lady 1) cheating 2) lying 3) not letting the father see his daughter (all be it not biologcal) without paying support.  !) He should not have to pay anything but he should for the girl's well being, still be able to see her father Or man that she loved with all her heart!  God lady, You seriously make me sick.  I would give up all the money in the world so that my son could be happy.  My son is depressed right now, and man I would do anything in this world to change that If I could. Why won't you?  Must be GREED!  It must be all about the money!  For god's sake, let the girl see her dad, or the man that she has grwon to love, PLEASE!
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:56 pm PDT

Every human being is owed the truth of who they are biologically.

Personally I don't know how the Mother on today's show could lie the way she has and live with herself.  First and foremost she OWED the truth to the child.  Secondly she owed the truth to her (at the time) husband when the child was born and she had even an ioda of doubt as to whether or not she truthfully belonged to him.  No man should legally be held responsible for the financial raising of another man's child, whether he is married to the Mother or not, unless he KNOWINGLY agrees to do so.  The truth is always the best medicine and could have saved this child Worlds of hurt.  Unfortunately this example is not uncommon in today's society.  The truth is the truth no matter what and in the matter of praternity it will almost always come out...either through a DNA test to satisfy a parent, or in the event of a life-saving emergency.  While our DNA does not make us WHO we are, it most definitely translates into what diseases, heredity, etc., our bodies will experience in it's lifetime.  There's rarely any getting away from it.  The Mother on today's show sat there all wrapped up in what harm the ex-husband had done to the girl, when a little more morality, honesty and human decentcy from her could have saved everyone the grief to begin with.  Everyone needs to take responsibility and own actions and the sooner that a lack in judgment such as this is acknowledged the sooner everyone can put their lives back together and move on and start to mend.  This woman needs to find the biological sperm-donor and hold him financially responsible for his child and let the ex-husband resume his relationship with the child without money playing a part.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:56 pm PDT

Ditto

Quote From: pamw01

Hello, this is not rocket science. Let's start at the beginning and consider everyones feelings.

1. Mother is in bad relationship with husband, has affair (done everyday, right or wrong), gets pregnant around the time she is not sure who is the father(she said that), opts to pray for the best and nuture relationship, her and husband try to make marriage work, it does not, he is ordered to pay child support.

2.  Father, in bad relationship, wife is pregnant, in back of mind he should think "may not be mine", he opts to hope for the best, marriage does not work (whose fault was this?), during divorce he decides to question paternity, all for the sake of money, (I don't think so), yes child support along with court ordered insurance takes a big chunk out of a mans check, one good reason to work hard on the marriage.  He should not have to pay child support for her, but as a human being concerned about the child he raised as his daughter he should do whatever he can financially for her-letting her know she can always depend on him.

3. Child, not at fault, totally the victim here, hopefully she will be able to form a trusting relationship with the only real father she has known. Adults need to suck it up, mom admit you were adulterous, and made a mistake.  Dad, you made bigger mistake, taking your frustrations out on child.  Deal with the consequences.

4.Biological dad-mom find him, get support, let child know who her real father is, his family and history, relationship optional.

5. Step-father-good job, being supportive, no need to adopt, she has enough dads.

6. Fathers new wife-you are making this situation worse, find out why this first marriage didn't work, focus on that, let husband be responsible to the family he had before you.  This is not about money.

You summed it up well, at least someone else has half a brain here. You should have been on the show instead of the two "people of the law" who were opinionated and rediculous!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:56 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I watched the show today, I think Dr. Phil is right when he says that this show is very controversal.  I don't agree with the fact that all women that have said that to a spouse that their child is theirs, would do this knowingling.  A lot of women really think that the child belongs to that man, they are not trying to fool anybody or trap anybody.  And what about the men that accept from birth to take care of a child that he knows is not his, does he have to pay child support?  I think he does, since he accepted to take care of that child even though it was not his biologicaly.  I think it's terrible the way this man told his daughter that he was not her father after 10 years.  He really did not think of what he was doing when he decided to annonce this to the child.  My heart goes out to her, I really hope that this will not dictacte her life as an adult.  I am shocked at the mother's reaction during the show, knowing that she caused all of this pain for her daughter and she didn't seem at all upset at her part in all of this.

 

I think he should continue to pay child support and also try to make amends with her to get back to their relationship.  If things had not gone wrong with his wife, he would have continued to pay and take care of her, so why not now.  Just because of the money, that should be secondary if at all taken into account in this kind of situation.  The moral effect is way more important, then any monetary involvement.  The child should come first and never be put in a situation like this by what she thought was her father for 10 years just because her parents did not have what it takes to make things right. 

 

Boy some people just don't know how to deal with this kind of situation.  There is a right way to deal with this, there is a wrong way.  These two took the wrong way from the start, now the child is paying big time for their mistakes.

 

In my case, I am divorced with two kids.  Never got child support from their father, because he decided he was never to work a day in his life after I left him.  So even if I would have tried to pursue him for any kind of money he would never have been able to pay a penny.  I was lucky, I returned to school and got myself a good paying job and did not need his help.  But there are a lot of women out there today, that are not so lucky and it is always the kids that pay the ultimate price in the end...

 
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