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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:05 pm PDT

Are you kidding me?

I'm a successful, 43 year old woman, no kids; however, I'm blown away that anyone, including the courts, should continue to hold a man accountable for financial support of a child that has been proven to NOT be his own.  If a relationship has been established and that man wants to continue with child support b/c it probably is the nice/right thing to do for a child, then so be it.  That should be a man's choice, and hopefully the one he'd make based on the relationship established.

 

There are not two sides to this issue in my opinion.  I think the fraudulent mother should not only be ordered to pay back all financial support previously provided by the man (over time), but she should also be ordered to do everything within her power to support a continued relationship between the man and child if that's what both parties want.

 

She started this mess and she's the sole person who should be held accountable for HER actions.  Although I feel sorry that a child is put into this situation, the mother needs to teach a valuable lesson to this child that there are consequences to all actions. 

 

I'm sick and tired of people -- men or women -- passing the buck and not stepping up to the plate.  She shouldn't have slept around in the first place if she's not prepared for those consequences.  Obviously, this is a woman who has not ever been held accountable for her actions -- and that continues to be the case. 

 

Really, Isn't lack of accountability what's wrong with the world? 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:05 pm PDT

Parent Trap

As I watched the show, I became increasingly frustrated.

I understand Enrique was a victim in all of this; however, why punish the daughter because of the mother's mistake?

The daughter is ALSO the victim. She did nothing to cause all this, it is all shocking to her as well! However, the way Enrique chopped her out of his life isn't very fair to the (confused and upset) daughter. She is as victimized as the father is.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:05 pm PDT

About sick of you crazy people

How in the world can anyone or any of you all try to make the daddies the ones wrong in this situation.  The mother should have disclosed your infidelity.  SHE is wrong in this case.  He may be wrong to disclosed her mother slutty ways.  What do you all expect from him.  He had been fooled and lied to and tricked.  Do anyone care how the men feel being lied to about a child that is not theirs.  Men are being forced to step up and take care of their responsibility's by child support or jail.  Why don't the mothers that lied not being forced to spend time in jail and pay back to the county all the monies that was given for support.  This here shows that the system is one sided and not equal for all.  Also, who knows what the mother told that little girl  to make her not want to trust her former farther.  I would not want to continue supporting a child I was tricked to take care of either.  The mother and all mothers that lie about who the father is should be jailed.  We need to put out a message that it is not accepted behavior to use your children to keep a man and/or get money from him.  I am sure there are women in charged of the child support system in the majority of cities across this county.  Hateful men haters!  Dr. Phil should have attacked the mother and made her feel bad.  She sitting on TV like she did nothing wrong and not liable for her part in the situation.
 

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October 29, 2007, 3:05 pm PDT

Dad's get screwed again

It is disgusting that men are made to continue paying support after it is discovered that they are NOT THE FATHER... If there is a close relationship between the male and the child it should continue as the child did not perpetrate this deception but the male should no longer be forced to pay support. I think this adds to the anger at the deception and makes the man feel powerless. No one wants to feel that way. I no one should be made to feel that way.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:05 pm PDT

Have mother reimburse the Father

Let the father pay for the child, but the mother must reimburse the father for her deception
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:05 pm PDT

What about deadbeat moms?!?

I watch this show often and rarely if EVER see anything about deadbeat moms!  Often times there is a lot of emphasis put on deadbeat dads unwilling to pay child support.  What about the moms!!!   There is NO QUESTION as to whether or not a MOTHER is the biological parent of a child, yet there isn't enough publicity out there about mothers neglecting their responsibilities for the public to recognize it.  I think that Enrique made a mistake in his methods of telling his daughter, but mom screwed up first, and BIG TIME.  What about her accountability?!?! 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:05 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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 I am Mia the current wife.  I first want to say my heart goes out to Enrique and Selina and everyone else involved. I dont feel it is my place to tell my husband how to feel about this devastating mess.  I suggested the possibility that Selina was not his daughter only after weeks of praying and discussing the topic with my daughter.  I had my suspicions in the beginning but chose not to voice them.  It was my daughter who talked me in to discussing this with my husband.  As my very wise daughter pointed out; Selina needs to know her medical history and her ethnical background, at a minimum.  I have never participated in tearing anyones family apart.  I have compassion and pray for everyone in this situation to find some peace and yes, that includes Maria and the children.  Its my firm believe and wish that Selina should have a trust fund and any child support money should go into that fund for her to do with as she chooses when she turns 18.  Ill stand by that!  I'm human and dealing with a difficult situation myself.  I know for me it's not about the money.  I have much more substance than that, my dear, however, you are entitled to your opinion!

I can't quite understand Mia's motive for questioning Selina's paternity. I do not believe she considered the damage the she would cause before she acted. Selina is suffering for the bad actions of three (supposed) adults. Everyone seems to be putting the issue of money before Selina's happiness. Her mother should be begging Selina for forgiveness and asking for Enrique to stay in Selina's life WITHOUT any financial obligation. That past cannot be erased. Mia. I suggest that you pray a little harder or try a different prayer. Enrique should stand up and be a real man. Yes, you were a victim. Now try being a hero!

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:06 pm PDT

adults are idiots sometimes

okay, so the woman had an affair and there was a child from that affair.  the husband never question the dna of this child until some new woman (with an agenda of her own) comes into the picture.  then with money being the root of all evil, dna becomes an issue.  all sensibility, love and respect fly right out the window.  i understand the husband being angry he just found out his wife cheated on him. but good grief take it out on the mom and leave the child totally out of the equation.  and shame, shame on the new wife for pushing her new husband into denying and diminishing his child from his life.  but more so shame, shame, shame on the dad for not having a backbone to stand up to his new and ex wife and not standing up for his daughter.  i believe he should have worked out some sort of amicable solution to where either the biological took over the child support or helped pay the child support.  good grief what truly caring parent could give up their child just because of dna.  thank goodness for parents who adopt because they proof dna doesn't make you the parent.  i don't condone what the mom did but the dad is the one who dumped on both the daughters.  both girls will be forever effected by this not just the one.  so i hope the older daughter doesn't get forgotten she's seating back watching how all this plays out and will make her life decisions on how this ends up effecting her as well.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:06 pm PDT

this would never fly

just an idea, but for those who have to pay child support, i think the money should be placed into an account where the mother and father can see what exactly the  money is being spent on.  get a debit card for that savings account or checking and then the father can view online what  the money is being used for and for how much.  i.e food, clothes, victoria secret (just kidding---but you know it happens)  since he is the father he should get to be able to see what the money is used for he does at least have 50 per cent say so,

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:06 pm PDT

My Twist

Gloria Allred commented that nonpaying fathers are forcing mothers onto welfare. Heres my twist: I am a mother of infant twins. My partner is forced to pay more than his earnings to his ex who has manipulated the florida system with her teen kids. We are believed to have hidden monies and he is believed to have the ability to pay. He has been harassed by the system to pay or go to jail. He has been jailed before. He has been fighting a bad economy in our rural area and is currently unemployed. He must pay $7500 in two weeks or go to jail. The ex has been able to get away with ruining his life with her dishonesties and the 19 year old child claims she just wont move on. She has been able to use her children as pawns to break my partner. We have been fighting this to no avail. My infant twins have medical issues and one is in danger of brain damage. They are currently on the texas medicaid system as was I when I was pregnant. We cant afford food sometimes, and I have been forced to sell my infant formula to get money. We live in a trailer and his ex owns 3 houses. She has also illegally tied up his VA for 13 years and no one will help him. The child support system is totally chaotic and does not work in the best interests of all children. Now, if my babies father must go to jail and lose days of job hunting, and leave me alone with my babies how am I to get them to their doctor 2 hours away since I do not drive??? I am scared, depressed and afraid for my family because of a gold digging ex.
 
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