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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:21 pm PDT

Parent trap

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We have a little different situation, but I thought I would share. My husband adopted his ex wife's child when my husband was only 18 years old. He fathered this child for a while. This child knew him as his father and noone else. The mother told my husband's family the day the adoption was final that if they ever divorced she would get child support. She knew what she was doing. It was only a year later, she had an internet affair. She wanted a divorce. My husband was stuck paying child support on this child because he was the legal father. Once me and him married, the mother was angry when we were expecting our first child together she told the boy that was not his real father. She then let the boy meet his biological father and have vistations. So needless to say, my husband pays child support and has no vistation. The boy visits his biological father. My husband pays child support, but has no say in medical decisions. The mother just had braces put on the boy's teeth which cost $5,000 dollars, the judge is making my husband pay half. This mother can do whatever she wants, but my husband has no say so. The boy had insurance that would cover braces if they were needed and not cosmetic. But the insurance company said it was cosmetic. We have learned to deal with it,but it has been a struggle. It is sad men get trapped into these situations. I wish there was a law to protect them. We have fought so much on this case, but there is nothing we can do.
Couldn't your husband take it to court for his visitation rights. As long as he is up to date in support payments he is legally aloud to see his child. I know Canadian law would go after that mother for denying rights with a court order. My friend has legally adopted a boy and when denied the right after a divorce to see him, he actually got custody. She now pays him child support.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:21 pm PDT

Shameful

This problem is ridiculous.  Women should be ashamed of themselves for doing this.  There are to many women who cant get the real father of there child to take care of their children.  Doing things like this dont make it any easier for REAL  women. As I was watching the show there was not much mention about the man's feelings.  I couldnt imagine how that man must feel or any man who has loved, provided for, and taken care of a child he finds out isnt his. That has to be very painful. I feel like the women who do things like this should be punished.  I feel like they should have to pay back every dime that man had to pay or go to jail. Just like men who dont pay their child support. I feel that if there was law such as this women would be more honest and careful when it comes to placing the responsibility of raising a child on this man and that man. As for the child I feel that if the man decides to continue to care for the child it is his decision but it should not be forced. I also feel like the child should no the truth god forbid what if the child had medical problems and needed there REAL father what then? Women need to be more responsible and stop being so trifling and YES this is coming from a WOMAN!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:21 pm PDT

All in my opinion

I just finished watching the program of "Parent Trap".  I have my own personal opinion about how Enrique could have handled it and how it really should be handled.  What he did with taking her to the park and telling his daughter (yes his daughter because he was there for her birth and beyond.  I have been married twice and with my second marriage I have a step daughter that I call my own and have been there for her since she was 3yrs old) that he wasn't the biological father.  The mother is really responsible for the whole situation because in the beginning of the show when Enrique said that he was telling his ex that he was going to get a paternity test and she "then" broke down and cried and told him the truth tells all of us that was watching the show that she knew the whole time that he ''wasn't" the father.  I feel that he should pay child support but to a certain degree and Selena's Mother should pursue the biological father on the point to find out if this man wants to at least know that, "Hey, remember 13 years ago when we slept together, I got pregnant and this is your daughter."  I believe by law Enrique is obligated but now that the truth is out all that is responsible should own up.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:21 pm PDT

It should be fair.

I feel that any man who has been taking care of a child that he didn't create (paying child support), should definately be refunded.  It should be up to that man wheather he would like to stay in the childs life or not.  Had the woman not hidden the truth in the beginning things could have been settled alot easier. Yes the child is up to a decent age now, but it isnt  the males fault. This blame is to be pointed at the mother for know all along that there was another possible father.  Free up any male who's not biologicaly fathers and let them chooose whether they still want to be in that childs life.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:21 pm PDT

DNA Test All

The only way to keep this from becoming a personal battle is for the courts to require DNA test in all cases of support. Possibly making only those individuals that sign waviers with council present, excempt.

 

This comes from a father who was tricked into adopting a child only to have the mother file for divorice months later. And yes I felt used as I knew that it was to get more support from me than the previous father was paying.

 

I also had a child with this mother who regularly cheated. I and now that my daughter is older we have discussed that there could be a chance that we are not related but chose not to know.

 

I do think that everyones circumstances are different and there is no one answer. I chose to pay support and be my daughters father but I do have trouble thinking that if there is NO punishment for mother who have misrepresented who the father is. This only encourages them to identify the man with the deepest pocket without recourse.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:21 pm PDT

nip it in the bud !

           just wondering .... can't they make it part of the birth process to have a dna test at time of birth?
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:21 pm PDT

The Real Problem Is...

The real problem is that so many women are going around having sex with anyone & everyone, without one thought to birth control. Then, when a child comes along, they have trouble remembering who they were with when, so they just name anyone. These women are so busy poping out kid after kid, not realizing that it is cheaper to purchase birth control (after all, there are so many different types available out there!) that to raise a child!! WAKE UP-the welfare system is overloaded because of women like these. Men aren't avoiding child support-women are having indiscriminate sex and can't remember who the REAL father of their kid is!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:22 pm PDT

Father vs. Dad

Quote From: vixiex

Fathers are more than a checkbook.  I don't think he should have to pay if he isn't the biological father - especially since he's been lied to this whole time.  HOWEVER, if he's raised this child and is the Dad that the child knows - I would assume there is love between the two of them.  That relationship should continue. 

 

Biology has less to do with parenthood than love, trust, teaching and caring that comes from that relationship.  "Anyone can be a father - but it takes someone special to be a Dad"

 

Just my 2 cents.

I agree wholeheartedly with you on that topic.

If the woman during her marriage, has been unfaithful, and as a result of that she had a child, she has the moral obligation to share this information with her husband, regardless of her feelings or lack thereof for her husband at this point. Face it, if she was in love with her husband she probably wouldn't have cheated on him. I see women all over that think it's ok to cheat as long as they don't get caught.... I personally don't know how they can live with themselves, knowing that they're not only putting themselve in sexual danger of any STDs out there, but also their husbands, who hopefully care for the family materially.

If the woman knowingly declares her husband as the father of the child, although she is almost 100% certain that he is not, there should be legal ramifications for that. If the husband raised this child as his own for several years, there are emotional, relationships, love, trust formed between the child and him and this should continue no matter what. The child CANNOT be put in the middle of a dispute between 2 adults. The child didn't ask to be born into this situation. The child can't be held responsible for the lack of responsibility of an adult.

As far as the DNA test and the law is considered, there should be the possibility for the husband to be released from direct financial responsibility toward the mother of the child, but he will still be responsible for the DAD figure for the child, that should never change. There should be a stipulation that from the time of discovery there should be 2 years that the paternity suit should be filed. This would give all parties concerned ample time to discuss and think about their goals and all possible outcomes.

I'd suggest that the mother should seek financial support from the real biological father, if she still rembers him, and if not, oh well.

The (ex)husband should not be held financially responsible, although I think it would be a good deed for him if he were to establish a trustfund for the child and until the dispute is clarified, the child support per se should go into this trustfund (could be used later on as college money if he and the child decide to do so).

The (ex)husband needs to continue his relationship with his child, because he's the only Dad this child ever met and associated with.  Her refusal to be adopted by her mother's new husband shows me that there are deep seated trust issues and fear that this child is dealing with towards men. No child should EVER have to deal with this. WE as adults are responsible for the well-being of our children - well-being means all around, financially, emotionally, mentally, etc. If we can't vow this to our children, we ought to not have any.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:22 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I thought it was quite interesting that Gloria Allred attempted to change the slant of the discussion to try and garner audience support--what she really was doing was side stepping the issue.

 

I don't think anyone can question that the children's well being is paramount here.  It truly is--End of discussion.

 

Personally, I feel that there is definitely an emotional component to this and a true gentleman would step up and continue to be a positive contributor to the child's life and emotional well being. Especially after a long period of time serving as the child's parent. But that is my opinion.  

 

The next part of this debate is: Should the non-biological father have to pay child support for a child fathered by another man.  In my mind the answer is quite obvious. NO!  The biological father should be paying support and it should be the mother's responsibility to pursue that. The person who was duped into paying support should be totally off the hook and I feel that he should be entitled to receive compensation from the mother for any child support paid if he is willing to pursue it legally. 

 

Can you imagine what Gloria Allred would ask for her client if the shoe was on the other foot?!!!

 

MMcMahon

 

p.s. Yes I am in a similar situation--I am helping to raise a fine young boy who was fathered by another man. I am no longer with the mother but still continue to be the boy's father...His mother has suggessted that she could 'go after me for support'!  I was livid! She is already collecting support from the boy's biological father! Now she wants money from me too! 

 

My boy does not yet kow the truth but his mother and I are planning on telling him in the near future.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:22 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Quote From: nancyputman

 I was extremely disturbed that the mother in parent trap, Maria did not seem to be held accountable for the pain that she had perpetuated in this horrible mess.  I feel that if she knew that Enrique was going to test himself that she should have taken the iniative and explained things to her daughter.  Although I do not believe that Enrique handled it well.  The young women in this family have to make sense of this mess.  I am sure that the older sister has endured a lot of pain and heartache over this mess also.  How does she feel about her mother and father? 

I do feel that mothers need to be responsible to themselves and their children.  What about the biological father of this child?  How can he begin a relationship with his daughter at age 13.  I think that both parents need to be responsible to their children's lives, whether they remain together or not.  The children are paying the price in this country.  I am the executive director of a residential crisis pregnancy center and I get to see the destruction of family dynamics and the affects on the young women in our society every day.  The young women I come in contact usually have no male role models in their lives, let alone good male role models. 

Beautifully said.
 
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