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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:25 pm PDT

Victims

First and most important is that Henrique dealt with Selina the wrong way.  He should have never let his daughter down the way he did.  I don't think he is a malicious person just very hurt.  He should have definitely made sure that she knew about this but done it in a way that Selina felt safe and would have the help needed to deal with this situation.

 

The thing that bugs me about this whole thing is that Maria has not only victimized Henrique but she has victimized Selina and her biological father as well.  She has taken away the opportunity for Selina and her biological father to have a relationship for the first 10+ years of her life by keeping this a secret.  I think that what she did was horrible and I feel that she is getting away with it with barely a slap on the wrist.

 

I also agree that Henrique should not have to be forced into child support if he had no knowledge of Selina not being his biological child.  He should however support her financially being that he played the role of a father for many years but it should be his choice as to how and how much and hopefully he will do the honourable thing.  This is fraud and Maria filled out a goverment document knowing that she could be filling it out with the wrong information when she could have easily found out the right information.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:25 pm PDT

Imagine if you're in Iraq

When my son was stationed in Colorado, he met a girl, he thought was a sweet woman. She said she was separated from her husband, and she had 2 children. The relationship with our son was very stormy but when she said she was pregnant again, my son was thrilled. Before the baby was born, she threw him out and then he had to go back to Iraq. When he was home for a short 2 week leave after the baby was born, they reconnected and upon our (his parents) insistance, a DNA test was performed on all parties. It confirmed the baby was his and he was ecstatic.

 

Before he left, he gave her his ATM card and she spent over $10,000 in one month, shortly after he had bought everything the baby needed, filled her pantry and bought new furnishings, spending $4,000 in less than 2 weeks. After he found out about the spending, he terminated the ATM card and she broke up with him. She reunited with her husband, somehow with all that money, was evicted from their apartment and has disappeared after threatening my son with reporting him to the military if he tried to contact her. Gee, he wants to see his child, but now she claims that she never got the report from the hospital. Of course that's not true, there is a signed receipt from the post office.

 

We, his parents, who live far from Colorado, are trying to find her and using all means, but these are people who do not leave paper trails. Her husband believes her, or chooses to, so there is no way he can say someday that he "didn't know" who is the child's father.

 

My son is coming home from Iraq (he spent over 12 months there the first time and 15 months this time) and is determined to find his child. So, not all dads are deadbeats and some want to be a father to their children more than anything else in the entire world. We have never met our grandchild and wonder if we will. It is a lose/lose situation so far, but hopefully it will change. So...imagine if you're in Iraq and basically hog-tied from doing anything!

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:25 pm PDT

awful to bond with a child?

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women who do lie about their child's family should be ashamed.  who are they to play with their child's emotions like that?  and the poor man....how awful.  to bond and love a child for years to find that not only is it not yours but that she lied about it all those years.  she should have to pay back every penny for child support she has received.  i also do not believe in men that have to pay child support and the women does not let him see his children and most of the time the laws and courts do not stand up for the men that actually want to pay support for thier children but would also like the opportunity to be with them.

How awful is it to bond with a child under any circumstance?  Gee, it must have really been a sacrifice for Enrique to have to bond with Selena - I'm sure there is no way you can love a child that isn't biologically "yours".  Maybe he should be grateful that he had the opportunity to be a positive force in a child's life.  Too bad he screwed it up!

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:25 pm PDT

my husband got screwed too !!

MY husband s x also had many afairs before he left her and then we had 5 girls together and because he was married to her and she gave the child his last name we paid for her till she was 18 and to this day still have to wonder if she is his or not !!! We sure could have used all that money to raise our girls .

  mad 2nd wife

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:25 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

This disturbs me greatly.  I actually work with an organization in canada the oversees and enforces child support.  In our court system, child support is awarded without a paternity test (esp when there was a marriage), but if the father comes back with a paternity test that shows he is not the father, the order is terminated.  The only time a non-biologocal father is held responsible is when he has legally adopted the child in question.

This woman lied to her (now ex) husband about the possibility of someone else being the father, she lied to her child, and if she had fessed up sooner, that little girl wouldn't be suffering the way she is now.  And to make matters worse, she is now probably wondering who her father is.  Where is he???  Why is he not being held responsible?

Its sad that he has stopped visitation with her, but at least he seems to have some remorse over it.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:25 pm PDT

This also affects the other family

I am so glad that this show was made! We live this "hell" everyday. What irresponsible mothers fail to realize is that this affects more than the father and the child. We are in a same situation with 2 children that have been proved to not be his, The court will not even look at the DNA tests and made the comment that as long as the child was being taken care of that was there only concern and that they were not in the business of disproving paternity.
 We have a son 3 years old and what is not considered is that my family is now going without. We barely scrape by paycheck to paycheck and more than half of his check is going to children that are not his. He has to work 10 hour shifts to try to make it so we have food and our bills are paid, but so many times we barely make it. It is frustrating and causes alot of fights in our household, simply because we go without so that another family has what they need and there is nothing we can do about it. So many times, i am ashamed to admit i think about leaving because i can no longer stand sacrificing for something that i had no part in and i dont see an end to it.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:25 pm PDT

That is so wrong

It is so wrong for women to allow men to think that they are the father to children that do not belong to them.  I don't think that these men should be forced to pay child support for kids they did not father.  I think that once they find out they are not the father, it should be the man's choice to decide whether to continue the support or not.  I think some how, some way the mother should be held accountable. 

 

It seems like the law is set up for women that lie and make bad choices.  I needed some assistance when I had my son, his father (my fiancee was living 2 hours away).  I needed help while I was on maternity leave, because I lived in an apartment alone and I needed to pay the rent.  However, the lady told me in order to receive any type of help I had to file child support on my son's father and she said the money they gave me to help with my rent, would not have to be paid back by me, but they would have to go after the father for the money.  This was absurd to me.  I told the lady that I was engaged and he takes care of this child and that I only needed help for a few months.  Sad thing is people told me before I went there that I need to lie about my son's father.  They told me I would not receive help if I told the truth and they were right.  I just could not bring myself to lie, that is so wrong.  I feel like women that are honest and try to do right get the bad end of the stick.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:26 pm PDT

Parent Trap

 I just think money and humans should be apart in these matters, the child had nothing to do with any of this. It is wrong to make the men pay money when they have been lied to so much. The man that fathers the child should pay. Maybe he wants to be a part of this childs life also he has a child does he know about her?? Not just him how about all of the other men??Why do I say all of this I grew up with out my dad not until I was 35 did I even know how much I ment to him. I found myself landing on ny feet then and a higher self worth. People dont get it how important moms and dads are to there children. There love is everything in the self worth of children. Most important please make sure this child knows its not her fault. Adults make the biggest mistakes of all I tell my kids when I do that way they know Iam not perfect, so how does this little girl get to know its not her fault and the truth with self worth . I hope you told her Dr. Phil .
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:26 pm PDT

I'm one of those children...now 44

...not only was I lied to by my mother, but my father who adopted me also played along. Now  my mother has been dead 15 years. My father no longer feels obliged to have to spend time with me and my children, he doesn't know that family members have told me about the adoption. I have no desire to hurt him. My biological father will not even acknowldge paternity. I feel entitled to aleast have family medical history. This should be a legal right. My whole life feels like a lie. I refuse to have my children live a lie and have told them as they have become old enough. If they choose to discuss it with my dad that is their choice. I think fathers that have paid support for others should be alllowed to sue for compensation.
 
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10/29 Parent Trap

by having the mother tell someone they are the father of her child it puts the so called father in a position to accept the mother is telling the truth.by law and moraly the father should want to accept that child.but when she lies to him it  is a breech ethical conduct and if a man knew it wasnt his child he might not have invested along term relatiohship with that child.so utimatly the duped so called father should have for once a say in his own life
 
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