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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:34 pm PDT

Poor Kid!

I feel sorry for this child.  Although I feel for Enrique being duped by his ex-wife, I don't understand how he could just dismiss the relationship that he had with Selena just because she is not his blood.  I do not feel he should be financially responsible but he and they did not have to involve the child in that battle.  He should have searched deep within his heart for what was truly important and that was Selena and never abandoned her to spite his ex wife.  Children do not ask to be born.  They are all miracles and here for someone to love them and I hope this girl can carry on from this tragedy that has happened to her and not become another statistic of circumstances because daddy dearest decided he didn't want to pay for her thus cutting himself off from her.  Shame on both of them!
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:34 pm PDT

no justice

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I have no idea who Carnell Smith or Gloria Allred is, but it sounds like both of them need to do what most judges and attorneys in Chancery Court need to do. (For those who are not familiar with injustice that means they need to get their head out of their crack.) I hope Enrique no longer has to pay child support to a child that is not his biological child. I hope the mother of that child has to return every penny of illegal child support she stole from Enrique. I hope the mother gets the child support her child deserves from the biological father, who should have been paying child support from the very beginning if he is alive and able to do so. Every man that has been paying child support to a child that is not his biological child should sue Gloria Allred and people similar to her to send a message that men who are not the biological father of a child should not have to continue the lie of being the biological father and they should not have to continue paying for a child that is not their biological child. Once a man has discovered that he is not the biological father of a child and he still wants to be a father to that child and pay child support to the child he should be allowed to do so of his own choice and he should be commended for doing an honorable deed. And that child should thank him for it and be grateful that he or she has a man like him in his or her life.

This paragraph is in response to the first 5 messages posted on October 27, 2007 by Princess1, lovthesand1, vixiex, joyklein and archladydi respectively. In some states the child can sue the biological father, after the age of 18 years, and get the child support money he or she did not receive. Be glad the biological father was not in your sons life and stop thanking god and thank your husband for being who he is and hopefully your son is grateful for having a real man in his life. In the real world and in America women do NOT have an advantage over men. Any man who is being "accused" of being the biological father of a child should immediately request a DNA test if he is in doubt. If he does not then he must want to pay child support for a child that is not his biological child. And if a man does not want any children, he can always get a vasectomy and prevent future children he does not want to be responsible for. I agree, fathers are more than a checkbook, but for those who are not fathers they can be good providers and the woman and the mans biological child should be grateful for that at least. If two people want a special bond to remain in tack, they will ignore that lack of biology and continue the love that was meant to be and be grateful for one another. Women do ask for DNA test. If a man truly wants to know if a child is his biological child he will take the DNA test or request it himself. Women who know that a man is not the father and just flat out lie should be legally prosecuted in some way. Maybe not jail, unless it is an absolute last resort, but punishment is definitely in order. And I hope all men falsely accused can some day find peace. Again, a man can request a DNA test and should if he feels he is not the biological father. I, personally, am sick and tired of hearing about the rights of mothers and fathers. I want to hear about the rights of children. No one is fighting for their rights. What do the children want? Who do the children want to live with? When will the children be listened too. The children should go to the parent that is emotionally capable of raising the child in a stable loving environment. If the child is happy where he or she is, leave him or her where he or she is. And the father should not get a free pass from his responsibilities. Lying and dodging responsibility is not acceptable from either biological parent.

I know I will miss a good show that day and I probably will not be able to read any more comments after today, but I wish you all well.

Ah Ha...It was rather clear in reading your comment ? that you did NOT see the show. As such, what would possess you to comment on a show you DID NOT SEE? Why would you think anyone would be interested in a comment about something you know nothing about?

In my opinion, if you have never heard of Gloria Allred...
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT!!

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The truth is the mother probably did not know for sure who the father was but to protect her daughter so the daughter had a father she did not seek out to find out the truth.  The new wife pointed out because she could care less about the children involved and wanted the extra money!  If I were the little girl I would not want Enrique for my father as what he did was way worse than what the mother did.  Enrique did that to the child who was innocent because he did not have the balls to stand up to his current wife to tell her to mind her own business nor did he have the balls to stand up to his ex wife, he could only stand up to an innocent child, that is sick!!!!!

YOURS IS THE ONLY MESSAGE THAT REALLY GOT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE ENTIRE MESS!!  THE NEW WIFE COULDN'T BE MORE PLEASED THAN IF SHE HAD WON THE LOTTERY!! SHE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAD ANYTHING AT ALL TO GAIN FROM THIS WHOLE SICK MESS AND THE ONLY ONE WHO HAD ABSOLUTELY NOT ONE TEAR TO SHED!!  I'M SURE SHE WAS HAPPY TO GET RID OF AT LEAST ONE KID AND SINCE IT WAS THE YOUNGEST, THAT WAS ALL THE BETTER!!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

Parent Trap

  A couple of points to think about. 1)  Non Biological "fathers " should not  be forced to pay child support. Our Goverment needs to fix this problem.  Dr. Phil should do a show on how under Title IV our Federal Goverment gives money to the States for CS collection, which is at the root of this problem . 2) If Money were taken out of the equation, I `m sure most fathers if not all would continue the loving relationship with the child ( who should be the first priority)   What about Buying the children clothes, etc. instead of giving money to the mothers, this is still fianancial syupport

3)The Mother(s) in these situation are not only perpetrating a FRAUD on the Men, but on their children as well, who have a right to know the TRUTH of who thier Biological Fathers are...  Still I feel very bad for the children....

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

Why is this legal

I am disgusted that this is still legal. How could anyone think it is OK to lie about the paternity of a child??? This mother is completely responsible for the problems her daughter is having. I don't think the father handled the situation well at all, but how would you feel if you had been lied to about something this important for over 10  years? Probably not very rational. Not at all an excuse but they both did inexcusable things. If she had been honest from day one this innocent little girl would not be suffering. There is no excuse for lying about this. If she was woman enough to lay on her back for another man and decide not to protect herself then she needed 2 be woman enough to admit it when she found out she was pregnant or at the very least when she saw that child and could plainly see she was not his daughter.

I was in this situation myself when i got pregnant with my daughter. I knew i cheated and i knew she could be someone else's. That day at the hospital when i found out i was pregnant i looked right at my husband and said we need 2 talk. It was hard and thankfully after a DNA test when she was born we found out she was his and we worked things out. This woman completely disgusts me She is a disgrace to all woman. You expect men to man up and be a father but you are giving them reasons not to trust you when you say i am having your baby.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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 I can not understand how we as adults can be so careless with the emotional well being of a child.  The mother was wrong, so wrong, to put her daughter in this position.  The mother was selfish and immoral in her decisions from the moment that she decided to have an affair to the deception of the paternity of her child.  As for the father, while I agree that he was deceived, this little girl believed that this man was her father since the moment she was born.  There is no way that you justify raising a child for 10 years and take them to a park and say that you can no longer be their father.  While I do not think that he should pay child support he has a certain emotional obligation to that little girl regardless of the situation.  He should be a man, not take out the betrayal of his ex-wife on a child and feel fortunate that he was given this beautiful person to be a part of his life.  As for the Ex-wife, she should be ashamed that she has put her daughter in this position.  She should discontinue her pursuit of child support and  encourage a relationship between her child and the man that raised her.

Well Said!
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

MIFFED

 I sat and watched Dr. Phil today and the longer that I watched, the more enraged I became!  How dare Enrique be torn apart like that.  He did admit that they way he handled things with Salina was not right.  I am infuriated at Gloria Alred and her complete idiocy!!!!  I want to know why the FRAUDULENT mother is not in jail?  She committed fraud, plain and simple!  How DARE she sit there on her high horse and say that Enrique should be OBLIGATED to continue to pay after what she did and the position that she put everyone else in. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

I agree, wholeheartedly

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     The woman lied to the husband and used the system to gain financial support for 13 years.  The mother  now wants the man to continue to pay for the child even though the mother has total control of the child and since he is not the biological father can deny him access to the child.  -- (The girl being over 13 often limits the amount of time parents spend as they become more independent anyway...) 

     The man that raised and supported this child for 13 years did not/does not intend for the child to suffer, but just as in the case of divorce, the child will suffer.  Forcing a man that is not the father to pay child support for a child that is not his rewards the actions of the mother.  Child support is paid to the mother, not the child.  A father has no way of insuring that the mother provides for the child with the money that he pays.

     Doesn't the natural father of the child have the right to know that he has a child?  Doesn't he have any obligation to support the child that he fathered?  Too often children are "used" to provide money to the custodial parent to improve their standard of living while the child received little for the amount of money paid...  and as noted by others, the concern here (as often is the case) is about money...  nothing else. 

 

I agree with you wholeheartedly, it all comes down to the money.  It is sad that this little girl has been treated like a pawn.  Her emotional well-being was not taken into consideration by her mother and also her mothers husband who abandoned her emotionally and physically.  If there is anyone to blame in this whole mess is the mother who just sat back and lied to this man and her daughter.  Shame on her!

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

PARENT TRAP

Selina seems definite in her response to what has happened in her life. It is unfortunate that the "adults" in her life are acting more like a child then is she. Her bio mother was obviously deceitful to Enrique, Selina and everyone else involved. Enrique and Mia are acting as if their lives have been ruined. He should be fortunate to be able to financially help a child whether it is his or not. Too many children , in this country and others, grow up without a dime. Bottom line, the female attorney hit the nail on the head by saying that a bond was formed by Enrique toward Selina and, if anything, he should want to remain a part of her life. Not saying through support to the mother, but support, in some other way, to Selina. This does not erradicate what the bio mother did. It is also not Mia's decision. They should all treat Selina like a human and be responsible for making decisions, whether wrong or right, as adults.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

Well...

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THANK YOU I was starting to think I was the only one thinking that way and honnestly it was making me furious.
I would have agreed with you if he had chose to be a father, in the beginning, fully aware of the affair. I believe that people are entitled to make informed decisions. Since he didn't we can't judge him for making poor choices, that he wishes were different, now. Besides, we don't know what his attorneys are telling him or what the legal consequenses would be if he ingnored that advise.
 
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