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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

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    I think what both parents did was awful. It was horrible for the mother to lie about who the father was and it was just as horrible for the father to abandon the child he had raised for 10 years just because he found out she was not biologically his. He created a bond with that child and has a moral obligation to continue that relationship. Maybe not a financial responsibility, but I can't even imagine how devastating it is to a child to have the man she considered Dad to just walk out of her life because she's not his blood-related daughter. The children should be the focus here, not what the parents did. Both parents made horrible mistakes but this child should not have to suffer because of them. Yes Mom messed up big time and created the situation, but Dad should still maintain the relationship he's always had with his daughter, whether or not she's biologically his or not. If you raise a child for that many years I believe then you are a parent and need to stay in the child's life.

 

       

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

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Could anyone give advice on this situation:

An ex-fling took one of my male friends to court 12 years after she had a child.  He was only 18y/o at the time, she had a one night fling with my friend, while she was dating someone else.  She knew the child belonged to my friend but kept this secret.  She married her steady boyfriend at the time and everyone assumed the child was his.  Years later after she divorced, she took  my friend to court,  the paternity test came back that my friend was indeed the father and was ordered to pay child support.  Keep in mind that this is a child that he knew nothing about.  He was robbed of 12 years of that child's life and now pays child support to someone he doesn't even know.  He was a victim in this as well as the child.  This child's mother was very deceptive.  Is there any laws that can hold her accountable for not telling the truth and keeping this information from my friend for 12 years? 

I hope so; good luck
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

No DNA-No Money

While I feel very sorry for the children caught in the middle of these unfortunate circumstances, I don't understand why a man who has been tricked into parenting another man's child is held financially responsible simply because so much time has passed.

As a woman, it is my right to choose rather or not to adopt another woman's child.  No one can force me to do that.  What these women have done is force a man into adoption.  They were never given a choice.  While I hope that the majority of men will continue to love and have contact with the children they have raised, they should be under NO obligation to continue financial support.  The mothers shouldn't look at this as "lost child support".  Instead they should count all they years they hid the lie of paternity as an undeserved financial windfall.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:35 pm PDT

Make DNA testing mandatory

Because there are sleazy women in this world like Maria...I think new born babies and their parents should be tested .
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:36 pm PDT

Paternity Test at Birth

I personally would like and recommend a mandatory paternity test at birth.  It would save all the uncertainty of who is the father.  We personally have 3 children (2 nieces and 1 grandchild)  in our families that are uncertain of whom their father is and it has had an emotionally disturbing effect on their lives.  It certainly would save on all the costly court/lawyer fees that are involved in many of these cases and it would make the lives of these children more secure....they deserve it.  I thoroughly hate hearing, He/she is NOT my kid, lets prove it right at each ones birth.  Let's simplify this one issue, the sooner the better.  Establish a mandatory test at birth.  Birth usually is a happy time with a new baby, let's keep it that way for the rest of his/her life so there is no more question about who is the father.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:36 pm PDT

The Parent Trap

My husband and I were completely astonished after watching the Oct. 29, 2007 Dr. Phil episode.  We agree that the manner in which Enrique told his daughter he was not her biological father was completely, and moraly wrong.  It's so sad that our children today have to suffer from the choices and bad decisions their parents make.   However, we do not think that he should have to continue to financially support for the child's future.  What if he decides to have other children with his new wife?   Will he be able to afford and care for all of their needs if he is legally responsible to continue to support the financial needs of a child that is not biologically his?    There needs to be a law that once the biological father is sought out (and he should be) he should be finanically responsible for his child's welfare.   My husband and I felt that we were watching a made for TV drama.   You just can't make this stuff up!  We were also astonished to learn from the lawyer in the audience about the increase in the number of this type of fraud.  It's fraud and should be dealt with legally and accordingly.  I congratulate the young gentleman that was on the panel.  Although he didn't have the legal knowledge of Ms. Allred, he has an articulate voice and fortitude to fight for the rights of other men that are trapped in a similiar situation.  A common ground has to be found here that serves what is in the best interest of the child.  My mother told me when I was older enough to understand that the man we were living with was not my biological father.   I respected her so much for being honest.   I consider this man (my dad, Fred) to be my father and always will be.  However, when I was a young adult, I wanted to seek out my biological father so I could have a sense of identity.   Did  I look like him, did we have common interest?   We did meet when I turned 18.  However, I was very disapointed.  He didn't want to be a father to me when I was a child and didn't want to be a father to me as an adult.    I'll never regret  meeting with him.   I was able to obtain many answers to the many questions that I posed him.  I'm just so fortunate that my step dad continued to love me and nuture me just as his own.  In my own personal case, my biological father never owned up to his financial obligations.   I'm lucky that my situation turned out well.  I pray for the same outcome for the young woman in this story who was ultimately betrayed by her own mother.  Please keep me informed of this story.   Thank you. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:36 pm PDT

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Enrique should have left the child out of it and continued visits.  However, he shouldn't have to pay child support for a child that is not his. 

The most prominent thing I learned was to not ever hire Gloria Alred as my attorney.  I pray I will never need anyone like her for legal counsel.

I agree with u 100%.  I despise that woman now.  Both parents did awful things.  But when it comes to money, he should not have to pay for a kid that isnt his.  Its just ridiculous.  If he wants to, that would be nice of him.  I probably would because of my love for the child.  BUT- nobody should be forced to.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:36 pm PDT

sad show

Hello Dr. Phil and Robin (love your name)

I was adopted by two wonderful parents, both of which loved me very much, though when I was six they separated, and when I was eight, they divorced.  I looked like my father (a good lookin' man I must say) though I was not biologically his, but would that have given him the right to not pay child support?

 

I know it's a totally different level of discussion then what your show was, but in the same realm.  He paid child support until I was 18. 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:36 pm PDT

Embarrased to be a woman sometime

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Women who pass their kids off as someone else's should be ashamed of themselves.  It is women like that who make it hard for women like me.  My ex husband has been denying our 18 year old son since before he was born.  Never mind that I have always been willing to have my son tested.  He is over $20.000 behind in child support and hasn't seen my son in 11 years.  I thank God for my current husband; a real man who has taken on the responsibility of being my son's "dad".

I couldn't believe my eyes when I started watching Maury's show on how many woman that knew in their heart that they have slept with another man or many men and blamed some man for being the father of their child ,and when the results come back that the man is not the father, they go running off the stage crying, and screaming! It makes me sick and even embarrased to be a woman sometimes! There should be a law in place, if she tells you that she is pregnant, someone with a paternity test should be present and it should be manditory that both parties take it! This should cut out the welfare rolls, all of the lies and the B.S. Any woman that would stoop so low to keep a man, or to get money through child support should be ordered to pay that money back to the man, get jail time and maybe get the child taken away from you b/c you are not a mother, that makes you a golddiggin' h--!! And it's not about the child, if he IS NOT THAT CHILD'S FATHER, then he SHOULD NOT have to take care of it! It seems to me that Selena was relieved to know that that man was not her father, he probabaly did not let her do what she wanted to do and this stepfather seems more like he's trying to be her friend, instead of a father figure! I feel as though she will get over it! And to the mother, she needs to sit her child down and tell her who her real father is and go find him! Nasty A-- women make me sick!!  I agree with you to the lady that wrote this: Women like her makes it bad for a dam good woman like me!! I fought in the gulf war for my kids!!! Get a job and stop laying on your backs!! From A real woman!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:36 pm PDT

What!?!?!?!

I honestly can't believe that the mother in this story would expect child support from this father!!!!! That is ludicrous!!  The mother has a huge investment in this "mistake, bad decision"!!  The blame is placed on the dad.  I agree that he went about the situation in the wrong way.  With this being the younger daughter, why would he question paternity?  I feel that the mom is justified by way of her daughters and the court.  That is wrong.  What are the daughters learning from her example?  That nothing is sacred!?  I commend the new wife for bringing this front and center.  Not to mention...she was right!!  I think the dad should of continued a relationship with the daughter, by his own choice, not the courts.  As a victim of infidelity, it is hard to learn the truth.  You do want justice.  How could someone who says they "love" you do something like that?!  However, my children do not know those circumstances behind the divorce.  It is sad that there are adults playing these kinds of games.          
 
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