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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Thank you for your comment here today.  I had said NOTHING about Gloria's comments on this show in my earlier postings as she turned out to be a one-note cause individual and the wrong one at that.  Her complete focus was on a "woman's right" and I'm not sure how that even fit into this discussion today as this man was not the father and had been lied to and manipulated by a cheating spouse.  Sorry, making innocent people pay for another's crime in order to "even the score" doesn't sit well with me.  I would personally continue supporting this young child that I had raised as my own, but making this some kind of woman's right case was totally off-base.

Gloria was far too much like the mother in this case.  No responsibility, but pay up anyhow.  When the other gentleman brought up that many innocent men are being shackled into child support fraudulently, Gloria's only response was "we do what's best for the child" which not only doesn't answer the question at hand by makes her as guilty as this mother in using children as emotional hostages.  She, Gloria, was very quick to point out that further, in her words, "the real issue in society is deadbeat dads" as if this situation and others like it are  not an issue.  For Gloria, as long as we throw the "child's well-being" card out there, then right and wrong never matter and, quite frankly, that doesn't advance women's rights worth a damn and forever portrays women as the victim.  So much for empowerment.

it should not matter who is to blame because the child is the one paying money money money what price is there on a child who calls you daddy for so long shame on him

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

I AGREE WITH YOUR THOUGHTS, DR. PHIL

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well... in this case I believe that the man has every right to stop paying that child support, but I also believe that he should continue to have a GOOD relationship with the said child...no matter who her father is.  They have bonded all these years, and who can stop loving someone who has been in your life that long.  It's not the childs fault....so why punish her!  Do whatever is right and just .

IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IF ENRIQUE TRULY LOVED SELENA, REGARLDESS OF WHAT HIS EX-WIFE DID TO HIM, HE WOULD STILL WANT SELENA TO BE HIS DAUGHTER AND PAY HER SUPPORT.  IT APPEARS THAT THE MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT TO ENRIQUE THAN HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH SELENA.  I HAVE SOME DOUBTS AS TO WHETHER HE TRULY LOVES HER AS A DAUGHTER, IF MONEY CAN STAND IN THE WAY AND HE KEEPS USING HIS EX-WIFE'S FRAUD AS AN ISSUE!!  SELENA COMES FIRST  UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTAN CES AND THE MONEY SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.  SHE APPEARS TO BE A FINE, ARTICULATE YOUNG LADY AND HE HAS HURT HER DEEPLY.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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i totally agree with you.. good comment
Wow now only if the courts agree with u both.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

kids get hurt

As  a Father I could never do what Enrique did, but I understand his pain and his reactions to it . Bad as they were he is the victim as well as the daughter..Mom gets no symapthy from me.. Dr. Phil do more shows on the CustodyLaw in this Country as it is a true injustice .. Love  the show. Except for Gloria Allred...  what a Grandstander
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

this is a bigger problem than we think

I am a victim of this fraud and can testify to its damages i was defrauded over 19 years and i am going to court tomorrow to try and convince a judge that i should not be held liable for my exs lies not only did she admit to me that i am not the father but she wrote me a letter detailing that over 4 years ago. wanting to be friends again i excepted her apology and took her word that we no longer go to court and that she was sorry. boy was i wrong she is claiming i owe 60000 in back child support for my son i call him my son and i still love him but i feel like my heart is being used for monitory gain. I still after learning that he wasn't mine officially have continued to be involved in his life and care for him dearly even though he doesn't speak to me anymore because of his mom . I am currently raising 3 kids from a second marriage by myself as my second wife pays no child support and is no help financially and emotionally and the courts do nothing because they are women and have a definite advantage in our culture. Unfortunately children are the ones suffering help doctor Phil
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

Paternity Laws are a Joke!!

Women that lie about paternity don't care about the father or the child more than themselves. They just don't want to admit that there may be another man involved. Usually this happens because they don't want to come clean about sleeping around during a relationship or marriage. Plus, all other types of fraud is against the law. Check fraud, credit card fraud, mail fraud, bank fraud, and all other fraud is against the law. Why not paternity fraud? Women that lie should be criminally prosecuted like other frauds are plus the victims of paternity fraud should be paid back in full by the mother.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

I totally agree!

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 I was totally disgusted by the woman's attitude on the show or any other woman who thinks it is alright to trap a man into taking care of a child that is not his. How dare that tramp! I also didn't like your (Dr. Phil's) response and treatment toward  the man. There is no reason to try and make the man feel guilty because he chose not to continue to take care of the child. He owes the child nothing. You should have been making the mother feel guilty/bad because of her behavior. If he chooses to walk away, any pain that child suffers from that is totally the mother's fault. She is the sole reason the child is hurt, nobody else. The man is just as much a victim as the child is. I am advocating right now for everyone who feels this way to start a petition to have this law changed. This is absolutely ridiculous! Then to add insult to injury in some cases the man is even sent to jail because some nasty whore couldn't/wouldn't keep her legs closed. Unreal. I think not only should the man stop paying child support, the woman should be made to pay back every dime he ever paid to her.
The law should be changed; unfortunately, the law is very diverse.  There is no win-win situaton in the court of law.  This is why I have never considered a career in law.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

parent trap--more like disregard of child's rights'

  
 I too feel bad for the father but, it would help fix  false fathers' rights if, everyone stood more for the child's rights, gets more attention/notice that way and yeah though its bad that he got preyed upon, he is an adult, that young girl has been lied to and cheated on since being born and its bad enough that she may never learn where she realy came from,...... but, more so, she has had her whole world ripped out from under her by both her mother and whom she thought was a trusted/loving father.......... I am grown and have children of my own and learned to deal with things as they are but, I know first hand how that girl feels, I love my 'dad' but, I hate how not only does my father get away with ignoring that I exsist at all, I cannot even have my own biological surname on my birth certificate all because the laws say whomever your mom is /was married to at time of the child's birth is whom the biological father/name,...is--so what does that make me  then one BIG LIE,..I barely ever saw my 'dad' growin gup and when I did he was distant but he always was good to me and he payed for a child that wasnt his and I really do appreciate that and I love him for being one of  a very FEW men that treated me civil, well, good,...even though at a distance emotionally and I kinda appreciate my biological father leaving me alone since he to this day swears I am not his,........ but, I was lucky enough that biological uncles/aunts I found a few years ago embrace me  with love/acceptance,..... and I dont need my father to admitt anything anymore cause anyone that ever sees him then sees/knows me -knows I am like the female version of his own clone/ mirror but, on papers' I will never be registered as one of my own biological paternal side of family .
My mother went to her grave never verbally agreeing to what I already knew about genetics (wouldnt disagree either) but, she asked me to please stay away from "him" (father) while stating his brother/sisters were okay, just be carefull. She must of had her reasons for this and my  'father' must have his own-selfish- reasons for never admitting he is my biological father and that is their rights however, their rights should NOT supercede my own rights to be, prove who I am legally, my 'dad' has a good name and I am proud of him for that but, the geneology of where that name came from is NOT where I came from , its not anywhere in my geneology, make up of looks,............ nor in my children, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with my 'dad's' name except that it only fits me on legal documents that are all lies! My biological parents' made me live a lie when I was a child even after I knew it was a lie, I hate that and how the laws protect that lie, even now that I am an adult! There is nothin gwrong with me having legal documentation saying who I am, it just won't happen cause some ignorant laws and the liars that keep that law in place.
At birth every child should have to be tested for DNA for th erights of that child! Later that child/adult can choose to have whatever last name they want but, ya can't go back and force parents that ya know are biological parents to do DNA and the original birthcertificates are always th eoriginal on file/permanate one. Upper class society rules, seperate marriages of biological parents', issues of adults,.... should never keep another human being from knowing who they realy are and proving it! The faults/ shame belong to the ones committing the actions and the ignorant laws being protected to help cover thigns up, sorry for thos eof you in fear of losing something so you lie  and are grateful for such laws that protect you and your actions an dif, you just arent sure so you want to say it has to be your husbands baby,.... to keep peace in family,...  you have no business being a parent cause you already failed your child, human beings make mistakes and its only when you fear the outcome that you end up making it all worse
you cannot say you did it for your child unless you stand up an dtell all truths.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

Accountability of mothers

     Men who have been victimized by mothers who lie about their childrens paternity to force a man to support a child that is not theirs need to face accountabiltiy for their deception.  These men have been taken advantage of financially and emotionally, and then are further victimized by the courts who force them to continue to financially support these children.  If anything the the state should be thanking these men for the financial support they have provided prior to becoming aware of the true paternity of these children, which kept them off of welfare for that amount of time.

     If mothers were held accountable by the courts for fraud in these cases and forced to face criminal charges for stealing from the men they have taken advantage of, maybe in the future, women would think twice before taking advantage of an unsuspecting victim and victimizing their children emotionally as well.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

Why not meet in the middle?

As I heard both sides of this story my heart went out to both of the victims (Enrique and the 13 y/o daughter).  I sensed that Enrique was determined to punish his ex for her actions the only way he could under the circumstances.  I also sensed that the mother was trying to misdirect her daughters' pain and avoid her own guilt by finger pointing her ex as the wrong-doer.  To Enrique's current wife - I would like to remind her that NO ONE can change or undo what has already been done, therefore, being a 'Monday-Quarterback' is not only wrong, it's unproductive.  I DO think that there is an alternate solution that would require both parties to 'meet in the middle' for the child's sake and that is this:

 

For nine years Enrique financially supported his non-biological daughter.  That's half of her childhood. The mother should accept some financial consequences for her own actions.  As an admission of guilt and a sign of remorse, why not accept the remaining 9 years of financial responsibility while not only allowing but encouraging a healthy and regular relationship with the only Dad she has ever known.  I honestly feel this would serve both victims but more importantly -- that this would be in the best interest of the child . I feel this compromise would suit both parties. 

 

I can't help but wonder what the parents priorities are, money or a healthy relationship with their daughter?  If the parents claim 'money' is not the issue, I would challenge both parents to prove it.  The mother can do this by forfeiting any financial contributions from her ex while encouraging a continued relationship with her ex and daughter.  Likewise the father can do this by voluntarily taking the time and money necessary to continue regular visitations along with whatever else his heart feels appropriate.   

 

Again, if 'money' isn't the motive or main concern, why not meet in the middle?

 
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