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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:42 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

As a woman myself, I am so ashamed that the child's mother could have been so cruel, what kind of a person is she?  Did she never stop to consider the repurcussions of her decision and the effects that it would have on her daughter?  She started this whole problem while others are paying the price while she sits smiling on the Dr. Phil show?  I would think that she would be too ashamed of herself to put herself in front of millions of viewers.  Yes, I believe that the child's father of 10 years went about the solution in the wrong way too, but this was, I believe out of anger, not to hurt the child.  I believe the parents should have dealt with this privately without the knowledge of the child and then get professional advise on how to deal with the child.  However, that is "spilt milk " at this stage.  I believe that the mother should now be forced to take responsibility for her actions and declare the identity of the biological father who should be forced to pay up or be jailed.  The mother should also be charged with fraud, she has gotten off scot free all this time for a devious act ........... good luck to the new boyfriend/husband, he may not know what he could be in for with this woman.
 
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Anyone who believes what you wrote will buy the Brooklyn Bridge too!  Talk about lies, you are lieing to yourself!
you are right Mia and you were the only one on the stage that made any sense at all.  If I had the suspicions I would have voiced them to my husband as well.  This mom should be held accountable legally, financially, and morally...I do hope your husband will continue some how some way to have a relationship with his daugther.  I felt like she was reciting what she has been brainwashed with for the past few years....I feel so sorry for her!
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:42 pm PDT

i am so angry!

dr phil was way too easy on the mother in this story.  although i totally am appalled by how the father handled the situation, the mother has taken no responsibility for her actions.  i would hope that my husband would never ask me if he was the father of my children, even if they don't look like him.  for her to say that he never questioned her is assinine!!!!!  the father was way wrong, but dr. phil was entirely too easy on the mother.  i agree with the fathers that they should not have to pay child support, but he could have continued the emotional relationship.  i didn't hear the mother say that she would give up the money.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:42 pm PDT

regarding todays show

 It's ridiculous to make Enrique continue to pay child support for a child whose paternity he has been lied to about for 10 years. I agree that he handled telling the child in the wrong way. He should have thought about how it would affect this child before telling her he was not her biological father. That being said, however, I don't think he should be financially responsible for a child he didn't create. Let the lying,deceitful mother go after the biological father for the money. The mother should go to jail for frauding both her ex husband & the child. SHE is the real culprit here. It's pretty simple to me. Todays women (in a lot of cases) want to have their cake & eat it too with no consequences. That is not fair to the men who try to do the right thing. I guess the lesson here is, even if you are married you should always ask for a DNA test if you are a man & told you are going to be a father. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:43 pm PDT

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 It is so sad that we are putting a price on our children. They are humanbeings with fealings and they are the future of this world.  How could anyone hurt a child, and damage them for life,with information such as ....I AM NOT YOUR FATHER.. . how could anyone want to find out  that a child they raised  does not belong to them? I wouldn't . What a heartless world we live in. My children are priceless even if they weren't really mine.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:43 pm PDT

Thats right

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I strongly feel that if a man finds out that a child he has been raising or supporting is not his then by all means he should NOT be obligated to pay any further child support and should be able to sue the mother for all the money he did pay to her. Some woman these days are so greedy and malicious. It's not fair to men that truly work hard for their money to be a victim of fraud like this. HOWEVER, I do feel that the relationship between dad and the child should continue. There is a special bond that is grown between the two of them and that should not be lost.
AMEN  This mother should be ashamed for even allowing this man to raise her daughter as long as he did. She knew the potential consequenses of an affair and should have taken measures to prevent this dispicable crime against the man and the child. Where is her reponsibility? No one expects their mate to lie. I'm wondering if it has to do with the fact that the man is a doctor.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:43 pm PDT

DNA tests will become requirement

Why on earth would any man ask his wife that he trusts and loves,  "Am I REALLY the dad, or are you just saying that - I think we need to get a DNA test".  If any man were to ask his wife that when they had a child, no one in America would be married.  We would all be on the Dr. Phil show for trust and divorce issues.
   
Should men have to automatically ask for a DNA test when a child is born?  Maybe this should become a law so women can't trick men into being the father.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:43 pm PDT

I am in the shoes of the father (by law) and the guy that made sence of all of it

Dr. Phil, I totally understand this topic.

My daughter now 26 has three children of her own (my grandchildren).I met her when she was two years old and then I married her mom, in 1983.  Her mom said don't ask any questions about her daughters bio-father, but she did say that she was a victim, (something she needs to deal with, cause I can't help her with that). Later on I stood up and put my name on my daughters birth certificate (amended the document) gave her a new name, so she had a father, at least one that loved her (not one that doesn't have the Balls to come forward). me and my daughter did everything together, then the family became bigger another girl and boy. the three were great kids and they never knew any different that they had a half-sister as the oldest. I use to say "I have three oldest, the first girl, my first girl, and my first boy"!

After nine years of marriage we divorced and I was threatened by my ex-wife that she was going to tell the oldest that I was not the bio-dad. she was about 10 years old and not sugar coating any thing, because you can not in this situation, I told her my story. I still to this day have a relationship as a father daughter. my oldest daughter and I have talked about the past and she tells me that I payed more attention to her sister than I did to her, so she had issues. we have worked out a start over program which involved all the kids and me.

 

I tried to get out of the child support and failed. But, this is an issue of the parents, AND PARENTS ONLY! visitation, relationships between the stand-in parent and the child should not change. if both parents put the needs of the child first, child support should never come into the equation. I have noticed that parents (adults) in this situation have there morals backwards. the child in my case and the case on TV has grown to trust a man that has built a relationship and the mother being jealous, greedy, and just plain stupid has hurt her own child by not being honest with her daughter. the mother should be prosecuted not the father, he stepped up to the plate and now he is ridiculed for it. how lame! 

 

I hope if the 12 year old girl reads this that she will understand that her mom needs help (psychiatry). and your dad does love you and he just wants to be right. I hope you 2 can work it out no matter what the out come.

P.S. I'm not on any side, I've been there. the only one that I feel for is the 12 year old girl.

 

ALSO: that lawyer fails to understand the whole LONG TERM AFFECT to the people involved, and she should listen to that guy (in the black suit) because he is the only one who made sense. Congratulations dude you are one in a 100,000 who put there feet to the fire, and won.

 

LAST THOUGHT: should the Bio-father pay back any child support paid by a stand-in dad, or should the mother who excepted payment knowingly she was wrong for excepting the payments. what ever the case LEAVE THE CHILDREN OUT OF ADULT PROBLEMS!  it tears them apart, and there becomes on winners, but involve the children you all loose.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:43 pm PDT

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Women who pass their kids off as someone else's should be ashamed of themselves.  It is women like that who make it hard for women like me.  My ex husband has been denying our 18 year old son since before he was born.  Never mind that I have always been willing to have my son tested.  He is over $20.000 behind in child support and hasn't seen my son in 11 years.  I thank God for my current husband; a real man who has taken on the responsibility of being my son's "dad".

I read most of the comments on the board after watching the show today...I think that the mother of this wonderful young lady is totally responsible for every hurt the yound lady is experiencing.  I do not feel that the "fake" father did the right thing by blurting it out to the kid and refusing to have visitation, but I can understand why he was forced to do that....by knowing what he now knew, if he continued to act as a father, he would have to continue to pay support, something he did not feel he should do.  He has to live with that...but the fact remains, the mother cheated, lied, and covered up her guilt...it was only her who knew the truth!  That Gloria lawyer acted so outraged when she said, "let's not point fingers..." but only when the finger pointing was at anyone other than the poor guy who was cheated on and lied to!!!

 

It appears that the young lady will be hurt by all this, but she appeared to be doing better than a lot of kids that have not gone through such hurts....a fine young lady.  She learned young that life is not always rosey, people lie and manipulate...and that is ashame. But, well, it is life.  I do not think the man should pay another penny towards child support.  And I hope the little girl grows up realizing it was the mother's fault!!!

 

Juri

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:44 pm PDT

real men

    I just wanted to say that i am in the same situation as Selena. my biological father left when i was about 1 1/2 years old, and the man i call my dad has been there since i was 2. he and my mom got a divorce when i was 9 and he paid child support for me and my younger brother who he had with my mom. he could have pulled the bull that he wasnt goin to pay for me because i wasnt biologically his, but he is a real man and know that he had been my daddy since i was a baby and there was no good reason he shouldnt now. any man can be a father, but it takes a real man to be a dad. it shouldnt be about money. he loved that little girl since she was born and he had no right to disown her the way he did just cuz she wasnt his blood. this show brought me to tears and all i can say is Selena doesn need a daddy like that any way.

 
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