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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:50 pm PDT

Paternity Fraud

I am utterly disgusted by the conduct of Maria.  Fraud is a crime - is it not?!?  How is it in this day in age a woman can get away with this - where are the rights of the man?  How is it that a man can be deceived for years and then held accountable for paying for a child that is not his?  Maria is a despicable woman and should be ashamed of herself.  I feel no remorse for her whatsoever.  She is the one who created all of this drama!!  Dr. Phil is right - Enrique is a victim as well as Selena.  Maria has done an unspeakable amount of harm to her daughter!!  It should be noted that Enrique was also incredibly inappropriate with the way he handled the situation.  I understand his anger - however - it was NEVER Selena's fault and he should have never taken out his anger on her! 

 

As far as Gloria Allred - she is completely out of line.  She stated that the REAL issue is men who do not pay child support for their children - HELLO?!  Did she know what the topic of the show was?  The issue is the fact that men are being deceived and made to believe that they are the father of a child that is truly not theirs!  Ms. Allred clearly has issues with men and instead of seeing the situation for what it truly is - she is clouded by her own personal issues!

 

I hope this show is a catalyst for developing legislation that protects a man from paternity fraud!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:50 pm PDT

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This "mother" "wife" should be ashamed of herself!
You made the mess you clean it up!
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:50 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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i to am one of the fathers, who has had to pay child support for a child that is not mine. ive been divorced for ten years and the biologial father move in to the house with my ex and the child the day atfer i moved out.. so there is no hurt to the child becase the biologial father is there,, but i still have to pay. i found not 4 years ago the child is not mine, but the courts wont do anything about it because my name is on the birth certicate..my first lawyer , screwed me in court because he didnt know what he was doing.. but now i have a better lawyer and i go back to court in the next couple of months.. suggestion to fathers that are going thru this or will be going thru this,,, get a good lawywer and start by getting your parental rights termated.. that should get the ball rolling,, good luck all.. because i still need some... they need to get these old laws changed,, but the courts dont want to ,, because it will open up a big can of worms..but women that lie,, should be punished,,
I can't believe you! How can you say that there's no hurt to the child, what a jerk! Of course there's hurt to the child! The child does'nt even know the other man, to it you're the dad! Just because your sperm wasn't the one to fertillize the egg, doesn't mean that you aren't the dad, beacuse you're the one who raised it! It loves you. I give you that you shouldn't have to pay child support... you should want to, but you shouldn't be forced to.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:51 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I disagree with Dr. Phil today.  He has the same mind set as that crazy lawer.  I agree with the man who unfairly had to pay child support for 11 years.  If the law is based on the children only, then crazy sluts are going to get themselves impregnated by rich me; hell why not make a career out of it! An adult has more than a child; thus, an adult has more to lose.  Children are very resilient.  The victimized father on the show was once a child; he is an important person as well.  The win-win situation is for the father to keep his personal ties with his non-biological daughter, but why should he pay for something that he is a victim for.  Send the lieing mother to jal.  Well, just joking, that wouldnt be fair to the kids; or keep the jail time short and let the father rekindle his personal relationship that the mother skrewed up.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:51 pm PDT

familiar story

My husband is currently a victim of paternity fraud, and we are trying our hardest to rectify this and stop the child support.  His ex-girlfriend claimed that he is the father without a DNA test.  There is no proof of paternity and his name is not on the birth certificate.  But, somehow her case worker at social services managed to begin to take child support out of his paycheck without even notifying him.  Because he's in the military, there was virtually nothing that he could do at the time except wait until he returned from overseas.  He was then locked out of the caseworker's office.  My husband has never even met this child!  We've only been married one year, and he's been paying for four years now.  These deceitful women and those who represent them need to be held accountable.  My husband is a good man who doesn't deserve this.  However, there's no assistance out there for men who are victims of paternity fraud.  Well, I didn't think there was until I watched today's episode.  Laws need to be changed, and women need to be able to prove through DNA that a father is in fact the father before child support is taken from the wrong man.  Women who have gotten away with paternity fraud, need to be ordered to pay back every cent to the men who paid child support for a child that is not theirs. 

 

I know this is just a rant, but I am SO grateful that Dr. Phil had the courage to broadcast this issue to the nation.  It is about time that someone tells the truth about what is really happening.

 

Kristy

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:52 pm PDT

Parent Trap

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I know of a simular situation in South Africa, this man paid for eigth year child support and then found out that he was not the bio farther. The court decided the woman must pay back all the money with interest.
Gloria Allred is as wrong as Enrique was in the way that he handled telling Selina that he is not her biological father.  She doesn't care where the support comes from as long as it's not from public assistance; yet the biological father has no responsibility in the matter.  Why?  Maria and the biological father are responsible for this mess, but according to "Miss Feminist" (Gloria Allred), Enrique is blasted because he wants to be relieved of the financial responsibility.  Since when is it acceptable to engage in an adultrous affair, conceive a child outside of the marriage,
and the biological father is "set free"?  Yes, I agree that  there are emotional factors to be considered regarding the relationship between the child and the accused father, but nevertheless, a wrong has to be made right and ignoring the reality of  the real situation  is only an easy way out.  It has become all too  common for society to "look the other way" in matters that have complicated consequences.  There is a proper time and a proper way to handle such instances, and as I've stated earlier "looking the other way"  only creates  an additional problem rather than solving the present one at hand.  The only winner in this mess is the biological father.  It's  funny how Enrique and Maria can dissolve the marriage because of an adultrous affair, but he's still stuck with the financial responsibility of the problem that came about during the affair. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:52 pm PDT

From a father

    I agree the mother has fault in this situation.  However the father was dead wrong in leaving his daughter that is right his daughter for 10 years.  I am a father of a 10 year old little girl and I only get to see my daughter every other weekend.  I travel over 380 miles Friday night after work to see her and have to travel over 380 miles back  Sunday night so I can go back to work, I have done this for over 5 years.   I would not miss a weekend with her even if I had to walk.  If  I found out after this long she was not mine by having intercourse that would not change my heart or my mind that she is my daughter and what both parents did to this little girl is without question cruel.  It is two people only thinking of themselves. This little girl deserved better like most children do in this world that are mistreated. This really has upset me because people only care about the money and themselves.   

    This is a little off the subject but I have a problem with a man who calls themselves a dad when they never spend anytime with there children even if they do pay support. I know quite a few situations where the man has paid support and live within 10 miles of there children and not seen them but a few times a year.  You are not a dad you are a sperm donor.  Big difference and if you do not believe me ask a child of a dad who spends time with them and ask the same questions to one that does not.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:52 pm PDT

You are one sided

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Shame on these parents and the ex-husbands new spouse.  The person most hurt by all of this is Selina.  "Daddy" benefited from unconditional love, what does that cost!  Shame on mom, but that happened and now  he has to live with it.  For 13 years he was her father and now why should he pay for her?  Maybe because he loves her.  The child is the only one who spoke with sense in this case.  Dr. Phil, I hope you offered Selina help in dealing with this issue.  Tell the parents to mind their own business.  Daddy, needs to get a backbone and stand up to the new wife and put her in her place, which is out of this situation.
pmiller , what about the dad being able to continue the relationship without the child support?  Oh, and also, the Mother being prosecuted and fined and possible prison for her crime.  BE FAIR, not only the the child, but to justice.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:53 pm PDT

Amazed !

As a woman with 2 children , who raised them alone without ANY kind of help from their father , finanically or emotionally. I can not believe that a woman could keep that kind of secert for so long !!! It is a wonder the GUILT did not eat her up ?  I am owed $16,200.00 in back child support. When we divorced 17 years ago, said "he was not gonna pay me" and that I would come back , or I would end up one Welfare!

I went back to school , and became a Certifed  Correctional Officer, and supported and took care of my kids. The point is I have been fighting the system for years over child support , they do nothing ! I think I have the solution to part of this problem.

When a woman gives birth to a child the do all kinds of tests and for boys the usually circumsise them .

 

Why not do a DNA and those that are a match , sign the birth certificate and those that arent , It would then known from the start of life , and these women who are keeping secerts, might be more apt to tell the truth.

 

I whole heartedly believe that men should support and take care of THEIR kids , but come on there are some women that are Worse than men when it comes to cheating !!!!   

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:53 pm PDT

Should Not Have To Pay

That is just wrong, if the child is not his he should not be financially responsible.  Granted I understand the pain the child feels..............but he should not be held financially responsible, period. 
 
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