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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 4:08 pm PDT

THE CHILD IS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM!

There are two more things I'd like to add regarding this situation. Firstly, although I do think that this man should not be made to pay child support for a child that isn't his and for a child he was DUPED into thinking was his, I have to say that I did not agree with the way in which he revealed the truth to the child. That is the ONLY thing he is at fault for.

 

Secondly, I think the decision as to whether this father/daughter relationship continues should be COMPLETELY up to the ex husband and not up to the courts.

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:09 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I watched this show and as a mother of three i am so pissed that this woman could sit up there laying blame on her ex husband and she is not taking any responsibility for what she did. she was deceiving her ex husband for so long and she should be forced to pay back what he has paid her in child support and she should go after the man that is the real father!!!!

I feel that if the ex husband knew that it was not his daughter and he still took responsibility for her then he would be on the hook for the child support but do to the fact that he was tricked it should be his choice whether he wants to pay or be in that childs life!!!

 

This woman makes me sick as a woman, a mother and a human being!!!!!!

 

The man that fought the law and won i am so proud of what he did and i hope more men follow his lead and are able to change the laws of your country and mine..

the laywer that was on there just doesnt get it!! i think she is not opening her mind to what is really happening in the real world!! too many people and being forced to pay for kids that arent theres and are struggling and living in poverty so that these females NOT WOMEN can have money from whom ever they want to accuse!!

DNA tests are expensive and some men cant afford them so instead they are forced to pay for the rest of their lives ! I am so pissed with this system!! Women seem to be able to screw with mens lives and i am so done with it!! this goes along with getting child support from more that 1 guy per child!!

 

these women need to be stopped!!! someone needs to stop this!!!

I am a single mon of three and couldnt imagine doing this to someone!! women grow up and take resposibility for your actions!!! SERIOUSLY!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:09 pm PDT

Find the man that you laid down with

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i don't think your paying attention.  you have a valid point that women shouldn't have to support children on their own; however, don't pen the blame on someone that YOU know isn't responsible for the support.  That's just WRONG!!!!  If you need and want the support, then seek it from the right man!!

I agree with you !!!!!!! find the man that you laid down with!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:09 pm PDT

Not a man, but just as mad!

First: Obviously it was wrong of her not to tell him the child was not his...but when did he find out about the affair?? If he knew about the affair back then, then he should have questioned paternity then. If he did not find out about the affair until they were divorcing...well shame on her! That was a dirty trick.

 

Second: Enrique handled the situation about as poorly as anyone could. Regardless of the paternity of Selina, they should have approached this "announcement" together as her parents...THE ONLY PARENTS SHE EVER KNEW!!

 

Third: While I do not feel that he should have any future financial responsibility to Selina, he should not have cut her off emotionally the way he did. I know what a child goes through once their parents decide to divorce, I had to deal with the fall out of my divorce from my 2 children. Now add to it, the sudden uncaring manner in which she was told that "Daddy" isn't your daddy..........Can you imagine the devastation that caused for that little girl?? Then as if things weren't bad enough, not only am I not your dad, but I don't want to see you either. What were these once loving, caring parents thinking putting this 10 year old child through this mess??

 

Lastly: What about the biological father??? Does he even know that this child exists?? If not, I don't feel that he should be forced to pay for the years he did not know. I do however feel that he should be told, and afforded the opportunity to develop a relationship with Selina (when she is emotionally ready), and obviously assist in her financial support for the remaining years.

 

I think that women who do this should be punished. Obviously jail time would only cause further pain to the children (which is not what I would like to see), and a monetary punishment could possibly cause a financial heart ship to the family, again negatively affecting the children. But what about a community service plan? One that would last as long as her lie did?? I think it should also include hours where her children need to be involved, watching their mothers pay for the lies! This would serve multiply purposes. First it would show these children they are not the only ones paying for their mother's lies. Second it would show girls that this is not the proper conduct for women when they have children. Third, while not completely satisfying the pain caused to the man, it would allow him some vindication in the situation...just knowing that she did not create the perfect crime...That she did get caught....and she did have to pay

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:09 pm PDT

Let's Be Rational

Usually this type of occurance creates a highly charged atmosphere, but I can see points on all sides first the father, Enrique,  was understandably angered and hurt, but that is no excuse for abandoning the child.

The mother is clearly a liar and a deceitful person, and I saw no remorse in her demeanor. But don't worry, "what goes around comes around."  The real question here is how do we prevent this from happening again?

 

When a child is born mandatory blood tests should be taken as well as DNA within the first 48 hours. Then the parents will know immediately where they stand. (Look for a lot of broken relationships on this one!).

If this is not possible, I reccommend that ALL potential dads do this on their own. Remember that in many states if you don't protest after two years you are Stuck. I think this would keep most conniving females more honest.

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:09 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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We are in a similar situation.  My husband was married to a woman who had affairs around the time of their son's birth.  After he and I had been married a couple of years and we had our own son, we both had major doubts that his son from his first marriage was his.  This sone has no characteristics like my husband and son.  His daughter definitely does though.  My husband loves his children from his first marriage so much that he never pushed the issue with is ex-wife besides asking if the child was his.

 

I being the new wife and less attached saw the pain, doubt and concern in my husband.  I felt that it would be better to do a paternity test while my step-son was still young so hat we can plan to best handle the situation without hurting him.  This of course is about money too.  We are paying so much in daycare and child support that more then 1/2 my husband's paycheck goes to that.  He makes good money but we are now in poverty and unable to purchase food  and he doesn't bring home enough to even pay our house payment.  His exwife has more money then she knows what to do with!

 

We did the paternity test 2 years ago and paid a lot of money for it.  All we got back was a sheet of paper stating that there was a 99% chance my husband was the father.  Well, what a relief for my husband.  But recently he made a comment making me realize that he till has his doubts.  I certainly have mine.  I have never seen a child with no similarities as a parent.  The older my son gets the more alike he becomes to his1/2 sister yet nothing like his 1/2 brother.    I take that back.   The only similarity my stepson has to my husband and son is a loud voice.  But my stepson look very much like his mother's boyfriend .

 

My Question:  I've heard about DNA test being wrong what's the chance of this test being wrong?  Any suggestions on what I should do.  My husband is going to love this child no matter what.  That is just who he is.  But  think truth should always be brought out

 

 

Please don't forget that your step-son has genes from TWO parents.  Although he may be nothing like his father he could still be his child and just happen to be like his mother.  I have a friend who has three children and the two youngest ones look identical to their father- darker hair and complexions and the oldest son looks completely different he has fair skin, and white blonde hair.  Guess what his mom has these same physical characteristics!!  He is biologically his father's son, but has no characteristics what so ever like his dad. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:09 pm PDT

Good for Goose is Good For Gander

The non-biological father has NO financial responsibility and NO relationship responsibility once he found out about being 'tricked' into fatherhood.

 

I feel that in the best interst of the this and any other child found in a similiar situation, the non-biological father should be granted continued access to the child if requested and should have no financial responsiblity.  He should be able to recover the support from both biological parents.

 

The child should not be made aware of the financial circumstances and should be allowed to continue each relationship as if nothing changed.

 

The mother in this case should be held accountable and responsible for the devistation she bestowed upon her own child.   She perpetuated this lie and allowed this man to live a lie!  She should pay for her mistake, not the non-biological father or the child!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:09 pm PDT

PAY BACK CHILD SUPPORT TO NON-FATHER

WOMEN WHO LIE ABOUT THE FATHER OF THEIR BABY, SHOULD HAVE TO PAY BACK ALL THE  CHILD SUPPORT THAT THE NON FATHER PAID.  THEY SHOULD NOT GET AWAY WITH  TELLING A LIE ABOUT WHO'S THE FATHER.  JUST LIKE THEY GO AFTER THE FATHER FOR CHILD SUPPORT, THEY SHOULD GO AFTER THE MOTHER TO PAY BACK THE CHILD SUPPORT, THEY RECEIVED BY LYING ABOUT WHO ISTHE NATURAL FATHER .  ANY WOMEN SEEKING CHILD SUPPORT SHOULD AGREE TO HAVING THEIR BABIES DNA TESTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE REAL FATHER, BEFORE RECEIVING ANY CHILD SUPPORT.  WE HAVE TOO MANY WOMEN LYING ABOUT THE FATHER OF THEIR BABIES, AND NOT LETTING THE CHILD KNOW THEIR REAL FATHER DURING THEIR YOUNG LIVES.  BY THEIR LYING TO THE CHILD,THE COURTS, THE NON-FATHER, AND THE NATURAL FATHER, THEY ARE CAUSING DEEP HARM TO THE CHILD AND THE CREDITABILITY OF THE SYSTEM.
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:09 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I would like first and foremost to support Dr. Phil. statement that the biological mother of the daughter should be held to the full extent legally, emotionally, socially, financially, and any other relevant dimension to all of this problem. She betrayed her husband twice by cheating on him and by lying about her biological daughter, also she betrayed her daughter by exposing her to a life time lie. She was coward to face her first mistake by cheating on him so she covered her lies with more lies. She must and should face the consequences of her actions of being irresponsible mother and wife which I find difficulty using those two great words in describing her because she is anybody but a mother and a wife.

 

Also I would like to mention that the lawyer position is ridiculous and lawyers are known to twist truth to the best interest of themselves first and to their clients second. So her point of view is not creditable and just to provoke people and draw their attention by arguing the truth as it is not true-maybe to sell her book.

 

For Enrique, I think he was passing through a very difficult emotional trauma and he was not thinking right whcih pushed him to make Selina deal with adult issues and saying he is not her father. She had no guilt whatsoever and she is a victim as Enrique. Morally he could have done a better job but he was not obligated to do so. You can't ask a badly wounded injured person to act as a normal person. We are contradicting ourselves if we ask Enrique to be compassionate towards Selina and not towards himself.

 

I believe marriage qualifications is beyond what most people think of. It should be regulated, as if you are going to drive a car you must have certain skills or you will be denied the right of driving a car and cause damage to yourself and others. Marriage damages most of the time are beyond  repair and recovery.

I just like to have more opinion about my message above............
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:09 pm PDT

You're wrong!

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The real villian, in my opinion is Enriques new wife.  Absolutely, she raised this whole issue so he would  pay less child support to improve her own financial situation.  How dare she come in and say that the one daughter doesn't look like him.  What if she had been wrong?  Did she ever think of that?  Sure the 1st wife was wrong not divulging this deception but we don't know their situation at that time.  Maybe she simply made a bad judgement 10 years prior.  Maybe she really wasn't sure, so why bring it up if he isn't suspicious?  The poor daughter must have felt terrible and alone.  I am from a divorced family and even when your real Dad leaves, you think it's your fault.  I know of a family situation close to me, in which a 2nd husband joined a Mother & son.  They then had 3 boys of their own but when this 2nd marriage didn't work out, he was forced to pay child support to the one boy who wasn't his, as well.  The judge felt that he had acted as a Father figure for a long-enough period and "how dare he" keep the 4th child from receiving any financial aid, simply because he's now out of the picture.  I would say the same thing applies here. 

I am Mia the current wife.  I first want to say my heart goes out to Enrique and Selina and everyone else involved. I don’t feel it is my place to tell my husband how to feel about this devastating mess.  I suggested the possibility that Selina was not his daughter only after weeks of praying and discussing the topic with my daughter.  I had my suspicions in the beginning but chose not to voice them.  It was my daughter who talked me in to discussing this with my husband.  As my very wise daughter pointed out; Selina needs to know her medical history and her ethnical background, at a minimum.  I have never participated in tearing anyone’s family apart.  I have compassion and pray for everyone in this situation to find some peace and yes, that includes Maria and the children.  It’s my firm believe and wish that Selina should have a trust fund and any child support money should go into that fund for her to do with as she chooses when she turn’s 18.  I’ll stand by that!  
 
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