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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 4:25 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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October 29, 2007, 4:25 pm PDT

Maria, you should be ashamed!

Maria,

you were one of my mentors in the SB program in college,  I was shocked to see you on the show.  I had known of the divorce and once heard you say, you actually became better friends with your ex, after the divorce.  I was surprised that a smart and intelligent woman such as yourself would do this. 

You are completely delusional!-- Enrique is NOT the father of your child and therefore should NOT be obligated to pay child support.  What did Enrique do wrong?  You on the other hand committed fraud.  You should be punished severely by the law. 

Yes, Enrique could have broken the news to Selina better, and maybe discussed this with you first and you both could have told her.  This is what adults do!  I don't understand how he can "disown" Selina, BUT the fact remains, she is a reminder of your lies and betrayal!  -- So his response is perfectly normal.  He WILL miss Selina and hopefully with time, mend the relationship. 

 

Hopefully Selina will one day forgive YOU!   She will at some point realize what YOU have done!!  What kind of example are you setting?  It's okay to lie?  It's okay to betray those you make sacred vows too?  YOU have single handedly created this situation!  You lied to your then husband AND your real child's father, and deprived Selina of knowing her real biological father!!  Time reveals all, -- so why did you think you should not have told the truth from the beginning? 

 

I usually don't judge, -- but you have opened yourself up to it! 

You need to realize YOU are wrong.  At this point, the only fair thing to do would be to correct the birth certificate, allow Selina to have a relationship with her biological father, put her in counseling, and yourself as well....  then ask Selina's father to help with her expenses.  Although he should NOT owe past child support as this was your fault!  Was the real father informed?  Shame on you! -- you have shattered my image of you.  YOU are NOT an example to be followed or looked up to.  

I feel sorry for your daughters, they are the Innocent ones.  Hopefully they will get thru this. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:25 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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You obviously have no personal experience in these matters; if you had, then your opinion would not be so one-sided.  How dare you make the defense that Maria probably had  'a good reason.'   Open your eyes.

Would love to read about "good reason" to cheat on your husband or spouse, is there such a thing?????  If you`re not happy GET OUT, if you want or need to SLEEP AROUND, GET OUT!!!!!

 

Good reason = bullshit!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:25 pm PDT

Paternity Fraud or Not?

I have to say this case is tough.  I feel that being a parent to a child for 10 years sums tthat up to that is her father and I am shocked that he is battling the fact.  I feel his wife is behind just about all of it and if he had any sort of love for that child step up and be a man. 

 

On another note if the mother has remarried and the husband is willing to adopt the child, she should only be battling for the father to have a relationship and the money is a non issue if either one of the parents had the childs best interest at heart.  Heart being what matters here.

 

To other senarios, as far as paternity goes, my step brother had a bipolar girl get pregnant and claim the child was his.  At the hospital he would not agree to put his name on the birth certificate till the paternity was determined to avoid the responsibility that he would have taken on if he agreed and turned out to not be the father.  The mother tried to harm herself in the hospital after delivery and the child was put into foster care.  When paternity was determined and my brother was indeed the father, he had to pay attorney's and was at an endless battle to get custody of his son.  Where is the justice here.  THe law needs to allow the change in the event paterenity is determined to release liability if there is dna to prove otherwise and even if the name on the certificate indicates so.  That is within a reasonable timeline to the birth of that child.  Lets say by the age of 2-3 years old or within reason of the interest to that which is best for the sake of that child.a 

 

To those women who know even a remote possibility of paternity lies in doubt, grow up and be a good mother.  Be honest and stop looking out for yourself and trying to cover up your infidelity.  That is what a mother does, puts her child first no matter the cost to herself.  When will it ever end. the bull......!

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:26 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

 My boyfriend was married to a woman for two years, and before that they were together for a year and a half. She had a boy who as 9 at the time and knew his biological father,and recieved child support from him(he was not adopted by my bf). My boyfriend began divorce proceedings against her when her child was thirteen . He was ordered to pay interim child support payments to her in the amount of $475 a month. It has been 4 years and finally they are divorced, but the issue of child support has not yet been take to trial. My boyfriend and I are about to have our third child. We can finally get married , but this issue is STILL over our heads, and we can not afford these payments. It's wrong that a woman should be able to do this to a man, and be able to collect child support from more than one person. This is preventing my boyfriend and I from being able to get on with our lives, and take care of our own kids, who ARE biologically his. Child support is a good thing, but it is too easily abused by women. We plan to take this to court and fight it as long as it takes.   
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:26 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I think that if there is even a chance a woman's child could be fathered by someone other than her husband the husband has the right to make an informed decision. I think the father was wrong in how he handled this situation. I think he should have continued the relationship with his daughter. I think if he had known at the time she was born he probably would have chosen to raise her as his own and then paid child support as well. I think the mother should have to pay back the child support he has paid. What about the biological father? He has a right to know as well as the girl. When parents adopt a child they choose to do that and the child grows up knowing they are adopted. She has no knowledge of her true health history. Her mother should feel very, very ashamed and take full responsibility for everything that has happened. Instead she acts like it's all his falt and she did nothing wrong.
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:27 pm PDT

Paternity should be mandatory

The popularity of adultery has led to the dramatic increases in paternity fraud, compared to in the past. I believe strongly that a paternity test should be mandatory at time of birth to protect the children from any possible issues that could lead to severe problems in their adult lives. During the pregnancy process, many tests are conducted, so what's one more test?
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:27 pm PDT

Men and Women.

I don't think that he should be punished for something that she did, he could have found a better way to tell her about and maybe continue to be in her life.  Honestly her mother knew he wasn't the father of her child and should at least be responsible for paying him back all the money he paid in child support.  However I also think that if he thought that she wasn't his child he should have done a DNA along time ago like after the baby was born and found that she didn't look like him.  They both made a mistake.  They both have consiquences.  You hear alot about dead beat dads, bowever you don't hear anything about dead beat moms.  Because you know there are dead beat moms out there and the punishment for moms isn't as severe as it is for dads.  I think it should be equal.  My husbands ex-wife has paid child support maybe 7-8 times in 4 years times without punishment.  Thats not even for a month its maybe 1 time in a month futher more we went over a year or ore without child support.  I believe child support is to support the child or for their needs, not for the parents needs.  I just think that punishment should be equal for both men and women.  Thanks for listening.
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:27 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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This man didn't say he didn't want a child!  He said he didn't think he should have to pay for someone elses child!  Did you watch the show?
no I don't think that person watched the show......he/she is the one missing the point....he WAS the father for ten years...he DID take responsibility!!!! 
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:27 pm PDT

Women like this should be legally pursued

This  happened to my now husband. He was misled by his old girlfriend that he was having a baby. He took her and her young son from someone else in, became a family, then they had the baby , then a few months after the birth she decided to leave him, they set up child support for the child and then one day he checked an old joint email address that they had together before the split, she had a paternity test done and he was not the child. She did not tell him what she knew, he had to confront her!!! She was happy to set up that child support though!!!!! She misled him for 5 months, not to mention all 9 months of a terrible pregnancy. My husband said she was awful to him and her other child. He took care of the entire household, did laundry, fed her child, paid the bills, all while she had emotional outbursts, and physical outbursts in front of her child all while pregnant. Thank Goodness he found out so soon. But when he found out, he was emotionally ruined, devastated and miserable. Imagine how he felt and not only him, his Mother thought she was a grandmother, his close friends and whoever else that thought he was a father. NOt only all of this, look at what she took away from him? The experience of having a child with someone for the first time? Having a baby and all the feelings that go with that. He has already been through it, and that cannot be redone. I hate that she knowingly took that experience away from him, and us. Neither of us have any children, and when we do it will be my first, but not his!!!!!! I think it is absolutely disgusting that a woman could do this to a man and also the biological father who missed out on the birth of his child and the first months of his life. The real father is a part of the childs life now, which is good. My husband has also been through the ringer trying to get his name of the birth certificate, the Mother has to OK it and she refuses just to be nasty to my husband. She is a sorry excuse for a human and there should be legal ramifiactions towards women like this that lie, cheat, and mislead men into thinking they are a father. They know they cheated, they should tell the truth and if they don't and get caught, they should spend some time behind bars. They are hurting many people by their deception, family, friends, the child, the real father and his family and friends. In this case of today's show, I do not think he should be held liable to pay child support whatsoever. If he wants to, good, but if not, I think that is Ok too! Women need to be honest and not be allowed to get away with this behavior. Those that have done this to men, you should be ashamed of yourselves and are terrible mother's. They better watch out for Karma, it will come back to get you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
 
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