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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 4:50 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I truly belive that the step dad did   what he did out of anger..........Wrong.,... I know...but i am sure he WILL try to restore his step daughters Love  Respect..and Careing as it was.

 

BUT....Her mothers  ..smuggnes...her  type of laughing  under her breath ...so Plain to see.... WHY didnt DR. Phile get in her face as  he so often...does to others?

 

WHY didnt  GLORIA   say she or Dr. Phil woulld help find the REAL father  and put HIS BUTT in jail.........?????...THINK   Maris still seeing him...?  I DO !

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:50 pm PDT

FOR THE MEN

I am a woman that has the view anything that a man can do I can do or at least try.

 

This  "woman" on the show today who started the lie, has the responsibility to carry it. It was not Enrique's fault for trusting his WIFE that the child was his! Why should a husband have to question anything, they were married? 

 

A relationship was built, but it was built upon a LIE that was started from the beginning by the "mother". She is responsible for what has taken place, and the "mother" bears the responsibility of the child's emotional upheaval, because of HER lie.

 

I am sick and tired of seeing GOOD FATHERS being abused by the system because the so called mothers have all the rights. There are many stand up FATHERS out there. I know of many who have raised their children, because their "mothers" didn't want the responsibility, and I know that of FATHERS who willingly raise the Child Support every year for their son or daughter.

 

My husband's ex wife has totally ignored what was decreed by the Courts as to his rights with his children, his ex-wife has THEIR children hating him and wishing that he was dead, he still pays his responsibility, and Voluntarily raises it each year.

 

There are good Fathers out there who know and carry their responsibility willingly, yes there are mothers who really are taken advantage of my grandmother was one of them, but there are more of them that just seem to try to take advantage of whatever they can and do get away with. These so called women make me embarrassed to be one! 

 

I have to apologize to all the Responsible and Caring Fathers out there for the few deceitful women who are out there.

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:50 pm PDT

These females should be ashamed of themselves

 

It is absolutely ridiculous that, in this day and age, females would deny their children the opportunity to know their biological parents (these females do not deserve to be called women).  There are so many diseases/disorders that are hereditary and children have a right to be able to ask such questions and know the answers from both sides of their family.

 

I find it completely appalling that a female would suspect that her husband or other committed partner might not be her child's biological parent, and refuse to tell him.  To me, this is synonymous with the days when women would get pregnant and trap men into marrying them.  No one should trap any one in a situation by denying them the truth.  Lying by omission is still a lie, and it still hurts many people. One lawyer said that if he fails to pay child support he could be imprisoned, which is unfortunate, because that means he would be victimized twice.  The purpose of child support is to provide financial support for one's child(ren) when one chooses not to live with the child(ren).

 

The other lawyer (who I think is an idiot) said that the law is to preserve the best interest of the child.  Well as I mentioned earlier, I think it’s the child's best interest to know his/her true biology/genetics. It is also in the child's best interest to be surrounded by people who love him/her.  Having a "parent" forced to pay child support for a kid that is not his leads to resentment that will definitely hurt the child.  It is better for him to know and choose to remain in the child's life than to have to pay for his wife's indiscretion and lies.

 

The sad thing is that the more this happens the more "dad's" are going to demand paternity test upon delivery of the child.  Women are in an uproar over signing prenuptials, just wait until she's asked to sign papers for a DNA test while she's still trying to recovery from labor and prepare to care for this infant.  As a nurse I saw that happen, and I promise you the female was screaming more and louder than when she gave birth, but you know what, she brought it upon herself. 

 

 I don't think that men should be forced to financially support such children.  I think that supporting these children financially and emotionally should be an option not a requirement inflicted upon him by a court.  In fact, I think that if it is determined that a women deceives her partner into financially supporting a child that is not his the man should be able to sue the biological father for remuneration, as well as the female for deception by fraud.

 

If anyone is willing to stray from their committed relationship, they must also be willing to accept the consequences.  This means telling both or all potential fathers.  After all when a male gets another woman pregnant, his original partner usually puts him through a great ordeal if she decides to keep him.  What gives her the audacity to think she is entitled to those feelings if he strays but doesn’t think he is entitled to the same feelings if she strays?  If these are the people raising the next generation, tomorrow's generation is DOOMED!

 

Many reports state that today's youth are incapable of accepting responsibility.  It appears that they are simply modeling the ill behaviors of their parents.

 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:50 pm PDT

The man should not have to pay support but should have court ordered visitation if he wants it.

To me this is simple.  The man should have no legal responsiblity but should have legal rights after to see and nuture the child.  This would allow the men not to fear the courts and allow them to continue the bond they have with the child.  It is the mother who lied not the child or the father.  The bond between the father and child should be nurtured.  The mother should either name the biological and seek support from or handle the support on her own. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:50 pm PDT

Mother at fault

Why didn't Dr. Phil point out that the mother is continually poisoning this child's mind with harmful stories about her father?  How else would she have been convinced that it was all about child support?  Her mother should feel ashamed for using her daughter as a pawn.  She should have given neutral answers such as, "he still loves you."

The father admits he made a mistake in not seeing his daughter and wants to make it up to her.  Without the mother's poison, the reconciliation would have been easier.

Regardless of blood, these two have bonded from her birth.  Their connection should continue and the mother should look to the bio-father for child support.

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:50 pm PDT

Illegal Parents Have All the Advantage

Where is the illegal alien sperm donor in all this?

The mother's laughing smirk is very revealing, is it not?

Seems that all responsibility falls back on the one with the social security number when the chips are down and it comes to court cases.

America has got to quit looking for the next legal victim to punish and bilk of his money instead of overlooking the real problem of illegal aliens and the many problems that they cause in this country.

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:51 pm PDT

who is the real victim

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The actual biological father should have to pay support.  If the child and former "father" wishes to continue a good and established relationship, then it is of best interest to do so.  That does not mean financial support to the mother.  She has already done him enough wrong.

A crime has been committed yet we are overlooking and even condoning this type of behavior. Fraud in all its forms is very serious and should be looked on as such especially when it can land the victim of the fraud in jail. As we know if a man doesn"t pay court ordered child support he can put all his professional licenses in jeopardy as well as his freedom. Now add to that having to pay and knowing the child is not yours. A bitter bill to swallow yet the true prepretator goes unpunished and is rewarded financially. Is this America? No wonder we have an illegal immigration problem.  Punish the victim and reward the criminal duh.

I had little respect for Gloria Alred before the program now I have even less. Attorneys like her are what is wrong with the justice system. When a wrong has been done to someone let us try to right the wrong instead of continuing to wrong them just because of their gender or because the law is wriiten that way. When it is discovered that anyone is paying out money as a result of fraud that person should be given relief immediately regardless of whether there is a child involved or not . Support of the child should be assigned to the biological parents in all situations. How can we expect people to respect and honor the law if the law is not fair and just but biased and unjust. Gloria Alred has no sense of right and wrong or moral and honest but like so many in her profession what is schisty dishonest and corrupt but legal.

The mother of this poor unfortunate child in this sordid affair should tell the girl who here real father is,reimburse the accused father for the court order child support, stand trial for fraud if possible and hopefully do time in jail as an example to other mothers who play with people lives in such a dastardly way. Not only did she lie to her ex husband but lied to her child about who her father really was . Shame shame shame .

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:52 pm PDT

Some Moms are evil

I was in Enrique situation once before in the past and can see where he is coming from. I chose not to stop raising my daughter even though I knew it was a possibility that she was not my biological child. I was broke and unemployeed when i was ordered to pay over 900.00 dollars a month. When I couldn't pay and the mom wouldn't let me see her unless I payed her I thought about pulling the DNA card. I knew in the long run it would only be hurting my daughter so I decided to do whatever I needed to do to stay in my daughter's life. It has cost me a wonderful girlfriend that didn't like what I was being put through  but in order to have a relationship with my daughter I had to let her leave.
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:52 pm PDT

There outa be a law!

  In my opinion, the ex- wife holds the majority of the blame for what has happened. I find it unconscionable, that this woman Maria, would seek child support for a child that wasn't her ex's. The law  regarding child support, drastically needs to be changed, so that when  someone files for child support, a court ordered paternity test is mandated ,before any decision on child support is made. And only biological parents made to pay it.  As for non biological parents, it should be totally volountary.

 

  As a dad , I totally feel for Selena, she is the true victim in this case. But trying to get Enrique to pay a debt, that he clearly doesn't owe, only drives a wedge further into his and Selena's relationship.

 

  If Maria clearly cared about her daughter, which in my opinion,  she DOESN"T ,she would be only worried about the relationship between her daughter and her EX, and forget about the money. Let him decide if he wishes to pay anything. Most men I have talked to, resent paying child support,  mainly because they feel the money isn't being used on the child, but rather supporting their ex-wifes lifestyle, which is doubly painful when , as in this case, Maria was the one who cheated on Enrique. And being forced to pay for a child that wasn't his , would only be  a way of condoning her previous actions.

 

 

Don't even get me started on Gloria Allred, she is clearly why lawyers are so disliked by society, and the punch line of so many jokes. She has spent so many years spewing  'BS', in a effort to win her cases ,that I think she actually believes the stupidness that she spews out of her mouth. The only valid comments she made where in relevance to Selena's well being being of the utmost importance.  

 

 

  I hope that Maria can finally  realize the awful things she has done to her daughter ( and Enrique), and do the right thing, by trying to help repair her daughters relationship with Enrique.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:52 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I would just like to say that my family is in a similar situation. When I met my husband he had 2 daughters. he was unsure of the younger one,but he treated them the same. the mom was very visious. as time went on we had a son and 4 daughters. they were raised to respect and love their older sisters. there was always some tension with the older daughter. I often asked how could a mother  be so selfish that she doesn't care who she hurts in the process of creating unneeded conflicts. after years of brainwashing the older daughters, they  told my daughters that this family thing is not working out and they are not speaking to them at all. the older daughters are 36 & 34 years old, our only son,  w/a disability is 32, my daughters ages are 17,20,22, & 26. when they were told this my girls were devistated. they didn't understand why this happened. but the bottom line is, the mother was so busy trying to hide her passed behavior she made the relationships between them all unbearible,  by telling her girls that my husband loved my girls more, which was absolutely untrue. he adored his oldest girls . after all they were the first born. I blame my husband for part of it because he doesn't like comfrontation so he just let her get away with a lot of talk that wasn't true.  she never asked for child support through the courts because my husband always took care of his children financially until they were grown. as soon as they became adults she started her dead beat dad campaign. I know for a fact what he did because I personally helped financially until my girls came along, then it was always figured in with our bills. people also need to understand relationships between father and children is as important as the financial support if not more. She was also jealous of the relationship with the grandchildren. My husband & children are so tired of the conflicts that they think it is just better to not communicate at all. I don't agree. I really think that sibling & father daughter or son relationships are very important. sometimes the finances are not even the issue. the issue is the women don't want to fess up to her own indisgressions, thus you have  a disfunctional family situation. I believe that what Enigue did was wrong and he admitted that. but what Maria did was worst. I sincerely hope that they can have a father daughter relationship again. and they will if Maria has a changed of heart. The ball is in her court so to speak.
 
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