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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 4:53 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I can't believe that Maria, the mother on today's show, sat in her chair, smiling and nodding like she isn't the ENTIRE reason that her little girl got her life ripped out from under her.  Yes, Enrique messed up and made a bad decision, but the Maria created that entire situation.  I can't imagine the awful things she must tell that child about how it's his fault and probably has never once said, "I'm sorry I lied and created this awful mess that has hurt everyone in my life."  Mothers who lie on birth certificates should face charges.  That is an awful thing to do.  I agree, "if the genes don't fit you must acquit."
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:55 pm PDT

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I've been in a relationship with a man for 18 years. When I met him he was in the process of a divorce. He had 2 boys that were 1 and 3 years old. To this day we are still unsure if his younger son is actually his.

His ex-wife left him for her boss at the time.They are still married to this day.

My boyfriend/husband (we are not married) had recently tried to make a deal with his ex to settle on a lesser amount in his child support arrears. He was in debt around $20,000. She of course wouldn't settle on anything lesser than the full amount. (Of Course) Anyway we still wonder to this day if in fact he is really his. If we were to find out that he wasn't his son it wouldn't make any difference as far as our relationship went. I'm sure she wouldn't have to pay back a dime if the facts turned out that that child wasn't his. I'm so glad that your show aired this topic. There are many women out there trapping men in this way. They don't realize how it devistates these men. They are basically criminals once they become so far in debt with their child support. They lose all privileges. ( Drivers license, hunting/fishing license, etc..)

In some states you can actually be incarcerated if you are so far behind in child support. How does that help the child?? They always reflect on the best interest of the child. If it were really true they wouldn't put these men in such situations. It should be a 50/50 deal. But it never is. Ask anyone who is paying child support. The men end up having to live a sub-standard lifestyle. Where the women usually keep the lifestyle they were used to regardless if there is another man in their life. They never took into consideration his ex-wifes new husband. She chose that new life and they should live it not ruin someone elses in the process.

 

Sheri from Idaho

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:55 pm PDT

Enrique victim

The lady screwed around, got pregnant and knew her husband was not the father.  Enrique raised this child for ten years to bedevasted by his his wifes lies.  Obviously, he handled the situation very badly, but he should not pay this woman for her indiscrestions.   She should be criminally responsible for her actions and the natural father should be accountable financially.  All efforts should be exerted towards a reconcilation of emotions, fewelings and trust between Enrique ande Selena.  Gloria needs to gret out of the picture with her ludicrus positions.  A big clap on the back for the gentleman from Georgia.
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:55 pm PDT

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DISAGREE. Mom should take full responsibility for her financial care.

Also, no one has asked if the daughter wants to continue a relationship with this man.

He should should not continue contact until the legal issue is resolved if contact will hold him liable.

Contact with the child does legally bind him to that child and why should he pay support for a child he had no part in creating?????????
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:56 pm PDT

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My husband was a victim of Paternity Fraud. He asked her if the child was his while she was still pregnant, because her ex boyfriend told people it was his baby, and she lied and said her ex was just trying to start trouble. Long story short, she did cheat and she lied about the paternity.

Shouldn't men get to decide whether they even want to stay married to someone who cheated on them and whether to raise another man's baby?

Like Carnell said, DNA needs to be mandatory at each and every birth. This way men would KNOW for certain and he would get to make the decision for HIMSELF whether to raise another man's child or not. Either way, he would have a say so and it would be up to him, NOT the women!  I don't think the choice should be made FOR him.

Why should a man have to pay support for another man's child, just because maybe he makes more money than the bio dad, or just because she is afraid he will leave her? He still has a right to know the truth.

Right now, if a man finds out, most times he is still forced to pay support. Go after the bio dad, make the mother pay back every red cent to the man who had been paying support. Yes, sometimes there is a bond there and that's the only father the child has known, but would the man have ever had that bond to begin with had he known his wife cheated and the child wasn't even his??

What's so hard about making DNA testing mandatory at birth, whether you're married or not, and this would put  STOP to Paternity Fraud?!

I agree, usually the father is in the hospital at the time of birth, so test the baby and the father from day one. Problem solved.   No father at hospital, no name on birth certificate unless you have DNA proof. 

 

Tammy

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:56 pm PDT

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I don't get the people that are mad at Mia. It is her business; it is her "place" - that's her husband. She is innocent of any wrongdoing - it's the MOTHER who is WRONG here - and Gloria Allred - and the ex-husband. At least HE can admit where he was wrong! A couple of people have dissed Mia though, and I think it's ridiculous. I sure as hell wouldn't want to see my husband making the woman who cheated and lied a prettier bank account to reward her for her trouble! That mother is a wretched piece of human existence. Gloria Allred is just as bad.
I totally agree with you. This situation that has occured is not at all Mia's fault. I dont know how the mother can sit there on that show and say after so many years of lieing to everybody probably even herself can say he should still be paying child support because he has been her father for all these years well if she would of owened up to begin with or better yet kept her panties on this would of never went on as long as it did. I think Mia is just trying  to be there  for her husband and making sure hes not getting taking advantage of. everybody maked mistakes but this mistake from both parents is going to effect this child the rest of her life. One more thing I dont know how anyone can make any man pay for a child that is not his i dont care how long it takes to find out if the child his or not . You can still be a great father and not pay child support I honestly dont know how women can be so conniving and selfish because in this situation thats all it is.
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:56 pm PDT

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I commend you and am sorry you were demonized. I agree with you whole heartedly.  However, your husband acted inappropriately by telling the child in that fashion.  I hope he is released from paying support and or the threat of jail and that de does establish a trust fund.
I don't believe that you were demonized, or came accross in a negative way. It is unfortunate that your husband was so angry that he used the wrong approach in telling Selina. However, there is no excuse for his ex-wife's behavior. Good luck to all of you. I am sure that you will continue to support your husband, that is your role don't feel bad for doing it.
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:56 pm PDT

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 I think trapping a father into parenthood is just wrong for many reasons. It is wrong that he believes the child is his and a bond is created betrween them and then finds out the child is not his. It is wrong for the child to love the man as a father, then find out that he isn't!!! Sometimes it is about money. He wants his child to have what they need so he pays support. Denies himself and his current family of lifes needs so that he can support his child. More often than not he can barely afford the child support. If he doesn't pay he can go to jail, he can't renew his drivers license and looses his tax returns etc. And for what, because the women lied about paternity. That is wrong. Plus the child and biologicl father never get the opportunity to have a realtionship with each other. Who is she to control the lives of all these people. I feel for the child as well, they are caught in the middle. It is too easy for women to trap men. I support that child support laws in this country, but I believe that fathers should have more rights. I see how much fathers have to pay and I don't understand why they pay so much that it makes it hard for them to live, to have a life. I live in Canada and the laws are different here. But I truly belive that women who do this should be forced to pay back any money they knowingly wrongly took.. It frustrates me that fathers rights are taken more seriously!!
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A women who is against this!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:57 pm PDT

it happened to us

Two years ago we found out the almost two year old twin boys we believed to be our sons were infact not.  Our family was crushed, but felt it was best at their young age to end contact and hopfully the mother of the boys would unite them with thier biological father and his family.  That did not happen and the man we suspected to be their father has since died.  We do not know if his parents are aware they may have these grandchildren, but have made a family member aware.  Horrible.  It was horrible.   The only way our son was able to get out from under paying child support for two children for 16 years was  the man she ended up marrying adopted them.  DNA tests should be mandatory.  Our son have no idea there was a possibility they might not be his.  I am thankful they were young enough they will never remember us.  I hope their mother grows up enough to know it is in the boys best interest to not involve them with our family in the future, but I fear that will not be the case.  She still tries to use our sons insurance for them and claims he "gave up his paternal rights", not bothering to add the DNA test proved he had no paternal rights to give up, only legal rights he should have never had in the first place.   To those of you who have never gone thru this, it's like anything else, don't be so quick to pass judgement --- you don't know how you will react.  Not seeing the boys we loved - our first grandchildern - from the moment we knew she was expecting, helped care for, snuggled, sang to, rocked, cried over when they were born 9 weeks early (found out later it was 4 weeks), loved - loved - loved is heartshattering - life changing.  Just two weeks ago we met up with someone who had not heard and asked about them, so we had to explain it agian.   Don't you dare pass judgement on us, pass it on their lying wench of a mother.

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:57 pm PDT

A Few Points

1. Mr. Smith did exceptionally well against Gloria Allred - congrats
2. Gloria Allred's point that once fathers "assume" the role they should continue that responsiblity should only be valid if that father "knowing assumed" the role having all relevant information in front of them. This is not the case for Enrique or Mr. Smith.
3. Maria - you should be ashamed and you have have foregone any right to criticize how Enrique has hurt Selena until you accept responsiblity that you have created this situation entirely
4. Enrique - get over the hurt, get over the anger, get over the money - do the right thing by this beautiful young lady and step up. She loves you and deserves better of you
 
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