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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 5:04 pm PDT

Well said

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1. Mr. Smith did exceptionally well against Gloria Allred - congrats
2. Gloria Allred's point that once fathers "assume" the role they should continue that responsiblity should only be valid if that father "knowing assumed" the role having all relevant information in front of them. This is not the case for Enrique or Mr. Smith.
3. Maria - you should be ashamed and you have have foregone any right to criticize how Enrique has hurt Selena until you accept responsiblity that you have created this situation entirely
4. Enrique - get over the hurt, get over the anger, get over the money - do the right thing by this beautiful young lady and step up. She loves you and deserves better of you
dittos!!
 

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October 29, 2007, 5:04 pm PDT

Yikes...

I am so surprised that all of the messages that I've read so far are about the adults w/ Selina on the side....didn't anyone listen?  Or don't you understand yet that life is not fair, that sometimes you just have to deal with an injustice to yourself and put someone else first.  It's a lesson that kids learn early on, or should, that sometimes things just aren't fair.  Ok the mother lied, it's done.  NOTHING can change that it sucks.  It seems to me that Enrique and his new and obviously immature wife, and that crazy other guy with his mouth running off, need to get past the fact that they aren't going to get their money back, and they can't punish the mother now.  There won't be justice for them, at least in that regard.  Now on top of Selina's mother messing things up early on they've made the whole problem worse and look worst than her now.  They perpetrated a crime against the child, much worse than the lie to the adult.  So they need to move on.  Better to have stood up and done the right thing by the child, "turn the other cheek" for the sake of the childs heart.   Damage has been done to this child that is forever.  As for that guy who is running around freaking out that he had to pay support for a kid who's not his...well, I think whether he's right or wrong, each case is individual and can't be generalized.  He's bitter, angry, I categorize him with Tom Lykas, (the worlds biggest pig), he's rude, and if he really had justice and dignity in mind he'd at least let other people have their say.  A prince never has to say they're a prince....let alone get in my face and demand I acknowledge it. ;)
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:04 pm PDT

The Ultimate Question

Dr Phil,

 

Why didn't you ask that Lady who the real father is?  That is the question all the watchers want to know and to hear.  I also don't recommend bringin Gloria Allred out just to promote her dang book!  She was on her soap box about parents not paying child support.  Totally off topic and should have been stopped by you.

 

ASK THAT WOMAN WHO THE REAL FATHER IS.... IF SHE EVEN KNOWS!

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:05 pm PDT

Know your DNA before dating

Everyone is ignoring the most chilling possible ramification of DNA deceit.  If these people had stayed married, this child would have always believed in false information.  She could conceivably have met, and dated, someone with whom she had a blood connection.  

 

Dr. Phil, you mentioned the word biology only once or twice but never elaborated.  This issue deserves more air time than it was given.  If her mother will not address her birth father--you should help this young lady find him and put her biology to rest.  She is an innocent party to this adult mess.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:05 pm PDT

DNA testing for every newborn...

...should be required at the time of birth, regardless. This HAS GOT TO STOP!
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:05 pm PDT

What kind of a person

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The actual biological father should have to pay support.  If the child and former "father" wishes to continue a good and established relationship, then it is of best interest to do so.  That does not mean financial support to the mother.  She has already done him enough wrong.

Shocking that someone would put money ahead of a child's welfare. The new wife is witchy and responsible for the injury to the child. Her focus was to do damage to the ex-wife and get finished paying child support. Awful person. I can't understand why the audience was clapping for her. Are they as insensive as she is?
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:05 pm PDT

POSSIBE SOLUTION

SOLUTION:

A) I think it that a DNA test should be included in the birth fee package so that the test is AUTOMATICALLY done at birth.

B) The same applies to a child support claim. All claims MUST have a DNA result attached to make it a complete claim. ( The man is obligated to comply)

These are my reasons:

1)This way no 'Parent Trap' can be set, which is a huge problem in the United States!!
2) When someone is in love they dont think about questioning if the baby is theirs or not. Then several years down the line it shouldnt be used against them. (why they didn't have a DNA test done before)
3) I can imagine that it is offensive for a woman to hear that her man wants a DNA test done especially if they are deeply in love. This solution will avoid this, besides I stongly believe that if anyone is innocent then they have nothing to hide.
4) This solution will allow parents to make critical decisions from at the beginning, while the child is still at baby.

5) Overall the DNA test at birth will just will just start things on the right note, not cards unturned.

Dr Phil and others please respond !
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:05 pm PDT

Parent Trap

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I'm a professional woman and a proud supporter of women and family issues, having said that, i need to agree that the ex-husband is not being treated fairly in this situation. Yes, he could have done a much better job with the child he though was his daughter and he should rightly be brought to task regarding how he treated her, and he was. He seems genuinely sorry for that and appears to want to take steps to make amends. But does that mean he should be held financially responsible? I do not think so. Hopefully he will be the kind of person who will try to reestablish a loving relationship with her and to also be generous with her, but any financial generosity should be because he wants to, not because he is legally obligated to.  If he is held legally responsible to write the woman a check for child support... the woman who deceived not only him, but also her two daughters, that will only perpetuate the wrongs against these 3 people and may furher drive a wedge between the child and the man she thought of as her Dad. To me the financial issue is simple, he should not be responsible. The guidance from Dr. Phil and others should be to encourage him to step up to the plate and make amends and to be a loving part of her life.    I also think society as a whole is harmed by continuing to make him financially responsible. It makes men distrust women and the legal system, and puts women and children in jeopardy of every being believed. Right is right; wrong is wrong. Let's treat both the man and the child right.

I read your response to todays show...Parent Trap and I fully agree with everything you wrote. But taking the thought just a bit further I have to say, yes he was deceived in paying child support for years for a child that was not his but if he truely loves this child like he says he does then why is he so upset about it? If it wasn't for him who knows what kind of life she would have had.

He should not be held responsible financially any longer for Selina but he owes her love. She is the biggest victim in this whole mess. And I also believe so long as Mia is calling the shots here there will never be any reconcilliation between Selina and this man she grew up calling daddy.  I wouldn't be surprised if she has the other daughter tested as well.

The mother is a criminal and the fact that she could do this to a man she loves, is to me, a clear indication of a deeper problem, That being one of the heart.

Having said that...for a man who supposebly loved this child to take her to the play ground and break her heart tells me his heart isn't any better.

Who knows.... Maybe they are a match made in heaven after all.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:05 pm PDT

The Mom got off easy here

 I am divorced with children and I was so disturbed by this story.  The Mother is totally at fault here...she lied and still expects her Ex to take responsibility...you know in a second she would play the DNA card if he wanted full custody of if his role in her daughter's life became inconvenient to her.  The Father should not be financially responsible for this child however should have handled it completely different and still maintained a relationship with Selena.  i can understand the shock he had and that he reacted to it but he should have stepped up once he saw clearly.  I do feel the Mother should have helped her daughter through this better knowing it was completely her fault.  I hope they can work it out and Selena can have the Dad she has been missing for so long.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:06 pm PDT

parent trap

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 This is a very sad situation started with one lie. I think that eventually Selina will come to not trust her mother either. Right now she needs a parent to hang on to.  I think Selina and Enrique should be able to rebuild their relationship if that is what they want for themselves. At least Enrique owes Selina a huge apology for the way he dealt with the situation. It sounds like a knee-jerk reaction, but as an adult, he should have given it more consideration. The witch mother owes EVERYONE an apology. I call her a witch because of the smug way she reacted to the whole thing., like it was all Enrique's fault for not knowing about her affair. I wish Phil would have laid into her more. She got off so lightly. Enrique should be able to spend as much time with Selina as he wants. He should not have to pay child support. The support he paid is already gone so it would be a graceful thing if he could just let that go. Selina was worth it all.
As for the mom, I think in the long run she is going to pay dearly for this deceit. I imagine that one day she will have to answer to Selina for all this. One day Selina is going to understand just what her mother did.
And the Allred woman is an embarrassment to women. I believe in feminism. But that militant, man-hating display of bitchery gives women a bad name. She's the kind who thinks that if you talk louder and faster than everyone else you must be right. Ugh. That was disgusting!!
I agree with you and especially what you said about Allred.
 
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