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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

Women Who Commit Fraud Should Be Held Accountable

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Women who pass their kids off as someone else's should be ashamed of themselves.  It is women like that who make it hard for women like me.  My ex husband has been denying our 18 year old son since before he was born.  Never mind that I have always been willing to have my son tested.  He is over $20.000 behind in child support and hasn't seen my son in 11 years.  I thank God for my current husband; a real man who has taken on the responsibility of being my son's "dad".

 

I believe the mother on the show should be held responsible. I also believe that her ex-husband, Enrique, should have the right to sue her for at least 50% of the child support that he has paid over the years. However, the mother should have the right to find the biological father and hold him responsible. If the biological father knew he had a child with her, he should be forced to pay. If she victimized and deceived him as well, he should only be forced to pay for the next few years of child support, when his daughter is 18.

 

I was sorry to see attorney Gloria Allred take the wrong side on this issue. I normally agree with her on issues, but not this one. She was wrong. The victim was Enrique and her daughters. The mother victimized her entire family by deceiving and lying to them. Unfortunately Enrique didn't handle the situation well after he found out the news, but that is another matter altogether.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I am sort of in the same situation. My wife had an affair while we were married and had a child by that man.

I found out about my son Adam when he was none months old. I divorced his mother, but I never turned my back on him. I did not pay child support but I raised him as my son his whole life. He is now 14. He knows the truth and rarely sees his biological father. He goes everywhere my son Andrew goes with my family. Vacations, cruises, disney World and everything. Nothing will ever stop that. He has always called me Daddy and I will always call him my son. I love him just like I do Andrew. They both get the same treatment.

I hope that Enrique can get over all of this and eventually spend time with the daughter that he obviously loves and misses very much.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

Protect the child/Punish the criminal

As in most other cases of false accusations, the accuser can't get off scott free. Being a father myself, if I were to find out that I was tricked into paying child support or raising a child that wasn't mine, I would think the legal system should hold the mother financially responsible for reimbursing me through the same methods that I would have been subjected to if I had not paid my child support.

Depending on the age of the child and the length of time that I was under the impression that I was the father, it would be difficult for me to just walk away. My attachment would be too great to just walk away and not think about what would happen to that child - who now, through no fault of their own will think their father deserted them. I would have to continue treating that child as mine, for their well being and mine. However the mother would have to be financially responsible for reimbursing me at the same rates I was forced to pay her to raise my alledged child. She could of course go after the biological father herself, to whatever extent the law allows - but that is none of my concern. I was fraudulently duped into handing over money, emotions, fighting legal battles (only if visitation was being denied since I would have absolutely no issue in raising my child), etc.

As for Ms. Allred, I have never had any respect for her or her positions. The bottom line is that she thinks the man is always the perp, is always at fault and should always pay the woman.

Bottom line, I couldn't just walk away but the mother shouldn't get away with fraudulently taken my time, emotions and money. Heck, if any of the papers were served via the US Mail, she has also committed mail fraud.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

Incredibly Wrong!!!!

The mother has the gall to say this 'father' doesn't have any balls but yet she can continue to deceive him even after the truth and extort money?  Please, let's get real here!  This woman deserves prison time for what she has done; not only to her ex but to her children as well.  This is where she believes she has the courts to protect her and she can continue to be a greedy (can't say it here) and act like she has no issues.

 

Let her rot in jail and preach to the other losers who believe a free ride is an entitlement. 

 

The father should stay in the child's life though; he should decide if he wants to contribute finanically.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

Where's Selenia's REAL dad?

Not one time on the show did anyone mention her biological father....the one that should be paying the child support! 

 

I think that the Mom was absolutely at fault.....the fact that he should pay for child support is insane! 

 

If it's not about the money, and just Selenia's feelings....then WHY DOES SHE WANT MORE OF IT????

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:19 pm PDT

SHAME

IT IS A SHAME THAT EVERYONE SAYS ITS ABOUT THE CHILD-IT IS SO REMOVE MONEY FROM THE EQUATION! WOULD YOU PAY A STRANGERS CAR NOTE EVERY MONTH OR RENT?ABSOLUTELY NOT- SO WHY IS IT DIFFERENT FOR A CHILD? TIMES ARE HARD ENOUGH AS IS WHY ADD FINANCIAL BURDENS TO IT?YOU CAN LOVE A CHILD AND NOT BE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.I LOVE MY NEICE AND NEPHEW BUT I DONT PAY MONEY EACH MONTH AND THOSE ARE KIDS I KNOW -MY OWN FLESH ,SO WHY FORCE SOMEONE TO PAY FOR A STRANGERS CHILD?SHAME ON THE COWARDLY MOTHER. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:20 pm PDT

POSSIBE SOLUTION

SOLUTION:

A) I think it that a DNA test should be included in the birth fee package so that the test is AUTOMATICALLY done at birth.

B) The same applies to a child support claim. All claims MUST have a DNA result attached to make it a complete claim. ( The man is obligated to comply)

These are my reasons:

1)This way no 'Parent Trap' can be set, which is a huge problem in the United States!!
2) When someone is in love they dont think about questioning if the baby is theirs or not. Then several years down the line it shouldnt be used against them. (why they didn't have a DNA test done before)
3) I can imagine that it is offensive for a woman to hear that her man wants a DNA test done especially if they are deeply in love. This solution will avoid this, besides I stongly believe that if anyone is innocent then they have nothing to hide.
4) This solution will allow parents to make critical decisions from at the beginning, while the child is still at baby.

5) Overall the DNA test at birth will just will just start things on the right note, not cards unturned.

Dr Phil and others please respond !
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:20 pm PDT

Women have right to choice, men have a right to know

I was shocked at the sample statistic that 30% of 'fathers' have been cuckolded without their knowledge. While I'm skeptical of this statistic, it does seem that this type of behaviour happens to a lot more folks than the losers that show up on Maury Povich. If the problem is really this widespread, it sounds like there should be mandatory DNA testing to prevent millions of these kinds of irreconcilable conflicts which will just be inflicted on the children.

In this case, I was really put off by the smirking mother - she's completely responsible for the whole horrid mess and has NOTHING to smile about. Enrique, despite justified anger, made a horrible decision to take it out on the 'daughter' he raised and loved, and has hurt and alienated her. It's ugly.

I'm sure what i'll say will be controversial :-)

A woman has the sole right to choose to carry pregnancy to term, regardless of what the biological father may want - and I agree with that right. The flip side is that an expecting father should have the right to know if the child is really his. In an ideal world, the expecting mother would have the fetus paternity-tested before the deadline for getting an abortion, and if the paternity is false, the expecting 'father' would have the right to choose whether or not to accept responsibility for the child which is not his - irrevocably and legally-binding, including child support if the relationship doesn't work out. At least that way, this kind of mess can be resolved before the child is born, either by the false father signing up for the responsibility regardless, or the mother ending the pregnancy, or the mother making a conscious decision to take on the responsibility of going after the biological father or raising the child on her own.
 

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October 29, 2007, 5:20 pm PDT

Parental Fraud

First I would like to address something that Ms. Allred continuously stated...safety of the child.  How can a woman who lies about the father of that child to that child have the child's best interest at heart (if the child knew anything at all)?  Was the daughter in on this from the beginning?  A hoax to con a man out of child support?  When do the lies end?

 

Second, it was stated that the real problem was on how "men" do not pay their child support.  I am divorced, have been for 13 years and I have never missed a payment, so please do not categorize us with the real dead beats.  But for the last 7 years, one of my children chose to live with me, I still was ordered by the courts to pay child support for the second child, in which I did.  When my youngest decided to live with me 5 years ago, to go to high school with his friends, my ex-wife was ordered to pay...how much do you think the children got from her?  The last 5 months prior to our son graduating high school, he received nothing from her. 

 

Dr. Phil, Ms. Allred maybe a highly respected attorney, but within a few minutes of your show, I have no respect for her.  I wish it had been brought up if the child knew who her paternal father was, whom do you think that child would have been angry at, the "step-father" for not wanting to pay or the mother for lying?  Who is hurting the child the most?

 

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October 29, 2007, 5:21 pm PDT

children first!

It is tragic that any child should lose a parent, whether biological or not. This is especially tragic when that parent has CHOSEN to remove himself simply because the DNA doesn't match.  A father and a mother should be accountable emotionally and financially for a child whenever it is possible. But, a father should not be financially responsible for a child that isn't his. Also, a mother needs to be held accountable for being truthful about the paternity of her children. I think if a man pays child support and then finds out that he is not the biological father, then he deserves some compensation for the money that he paid. I think, however, that he should be provided with the opportunity to maintain some kind of relationship with the child. Unfortunately there are many parents who do not put their children's interests first and our current laws are inadequate to deal with this.

 
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