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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 5:24 pm PDT

Tragic

This is my first time posting a message on the Dr. Phil message board but I was utterly disgusted by the conduct of Maria on your show.  It is unfortunate that this lady made a case against her ex husband as being an unfit parent because he does not pay child support.  How does this woman after all she has put these people through still complain and say he should pay for a child that is not his.  Is her daughters well being and her own self respect worth so little that she is willing to make another person's life miserable?  As a Hispanic woman I am ashamed and deeply saddened that this woman represented herself as a gold digging ex wife who speaks only to complain and point out others flaws.  It is unfortunate that Enrique can not be involved in Selina's life but it is understandable how this child is a reminder of such a bitter and difficult time in his life.  I wish the matter is resolved in Enrique's favor and although he is not Selina's father he should make an effort to make amends for informing her of the situation in such an abrupt way.  Hopefully Selina can one day grow up and see how difficult it was for Enrique to be duped and used in the way he was.  Wish all those involved the best but it is easy to see why Maury has so many paternity shows and men are so skeptic to take responsibility for children if the law is in anyway like Ms. Alred thinks.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:24 pm PDT

Poor Dad

There is so much about the relationship that I'm sure didn't come out on the show.    I think the unethical, lying, cheating mom should reimburse the dad for 10 years of fraudulent support and "allow" the dad and the daugher to establish a new relationship based upon the truth.    There is more of her life to be lived and he may choose to participate in the years that are most difficult (and expensive) if he loves her.    I think the mom should pay for her crime.  I don't feel that the dad should be forced to continue support.  I want him to be able to choose to do so.  After all, what kind of relaionship can daughter and dad have if he's forced to provide support.   
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:24 pm PDT

Good work!

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  In my opinion, the ex- wife holds the majority of the blame for what has happened. I find it unconscionable, that this woman Maria, would seek child support for a child that wasn't her ex's. The law  regarding child support, drastically needs to be changed, so that when  someone files for child support, a court ordered paternity test is mandated ,before any decision on child support is made. And only biological parents made to pay it.  As for non biological parents, it should be totally volountary.

 

  As a dad , I totally feel for Selena, she is the true victim in this case. But trying to get Enrique to pay a debt, that he clearly doesn't owe, only drives a wedge further into his and Selena's relationship.

 

  If Maria clearly cared about her daughter, which in my opinion,  she DOESN"T ,she would be only worried about the relationship between her daughter and her EX, and forget about the money. Let him decide if he wishes to pay anything. Most men I have talked to, resent paying child support,  mainly because they feel the money isn't being used on the child, but rather supporting their ex-wifes lifestyle, which is doubly painful when , as in this case, Maria was the one who cheated on Enrique. And being forced to pay for a child that wasn't his , would only be  a way of condoning her previous actions.

 

 

Don't even get me started on Gloria Allred, she is clearly why lawyers are so disliked by society, and the punch line of so many jokes. She has spent so many years spewing  'BS', in a effort to win her cases ,that I think she actually believes the stupidness that she spews out of her mouth. The only valid comments she made where in relevance to Selena's well being being of the utmost importance.  

 

 

  I hope that Maria can finally  realize the awful things she has done to her daughter ( and Enrique), and do the right thing, by trying to help repair her daughters relationship with Enrique.

 

Very well put! Good idea here. And lots and lots of truth.
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:24 pm PDT

LETS GET REAL PEOPLE !!

Lets assume the news was broken down to the child in the BEST WAY then we were to ask the child what she wants to see happen. She would probably say i want my "father" to still love me! Now Enrique is willing to do that BUT his ex wife is including money into the equation, WHY? She started the problem and is continuing the problem by FORCING the child support. Come on lady, he gave that child a good 10 years of EVERYTHING she needed, most importantly LOVE in the vital years of the child's up bringing.
My biggest question is where is her ownership to all this, i mean its seems as though she is trying to make other people take the financial responsibilities, she should take responsibility for her own action.

And as for the feminist lawyer, she contradicted herself a lot and her points were weak and many were proven wrong. The only ground she had to attack was how Enrique broke the news to the child. For God's sake he doesn't deny it wasn't a poor way to do it and he is VERY sorry about it. He even wants to restore the broken relationship with the girl !! We are ALL guilty of not making the best decisions when we are highly emotional !!

IN CONCLUSION i think that the mother is putting Money First and Child Second !! if she put the child's interest first then she would ALLOW Enrique to be in the child's life without slapping the child support !!
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:25 pm PDT

A Slippery Slope

After watching todays show via my DVR, I am disgusted with the "main character" Maria in this mixed up story.  I truly feel for Enrique.  Although it had been 10 years, the wrench the negative DNA test threw into his life could cause a person to make bad decisions, like walking away. 

 

I wanted to reach through my plasma screen and wring that hooker's neck when she, Maria, was saying that he should have asked if he wanted to know she was screwing around. 

 

The slippery slope comes with the pro-choice movement.  Where is a man's right to choose? The woman's TRUE right to choose comes with choosing an appropriate mate, and having children with them.  If she doesn't have enough judgement to at choose (and be faithful) to a responsible male, she needs to keep her legs crossed and stay home alone.

 

Although I don't often agree with her, I am thinking of Dr. Laura's "The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands" and the idea that "A good man is hard to find, not hard to keep."  How can a reasonable woman temporarily walk away from her marriage and sleep around and then slide directly back into normal mode?  This woman is lucky that her ignorant choices didn't alienate her daughter from her. 

 

On another note:  Mia and Chris should get over themselves.  They married people with a TON of baggage.  Enrique can speak for himself.  Chris should get out while he still can.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:25 pm PDT

Selfish Maria

Maria is one of the most selfish people I have seen in some time. Can she not understand that her adultery, betrayal, and lying hurt her whole family? How can she not understand Enrique's feelings of betrayal? She lied to him to cover her betrayal. To be lying, before the baby was even born, she must have known the child was not Enrique's. Yes, his reaction was hurtful to Selina, and his other daughter. Maria's actions hurt everyone. How can she judge him for his reaction and excuse herself? And her excuse - he never asked? What is that? I admire any man who would voluntarily continue child-support for a child he knows isn't his biological child, and/or continue being a father to that child. It takes a real man to do that. Enrique did handle the situation poorly, but he sees that. Maria is so blind she doesn't seem to realize that she is the cause of her child being hurt. If Chris is smart, he'll run NOW!
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:26 pm PDT

Unbelievable

When i watched the show today I was shocked not to hear at all that the mother hasn't tried to locate the biological father to tell him that "he" needs to be the one to pay child support.  I am upset at all the people that think it is okay to lie to these men and children about something so personal and then become shattered when finding out the truth, both the men and the kids.  I do agree that the man is in the wrong for not seeing his youngest child anymore, but how would you really react to something so devistating.  At least he wants and is trying to do the right thing and continue a relationship with his daughter.  Why is it so wrong to have a relationship with her and yet not be the responsable one financally?  As to try and fix this world wide issue, there could be a law passed in all states, that when a mother has a child there will automatically be a DNA and/or Paternity Test done at the time of birth, then that information will also be put onto the child's birth certificate and/or records.  Therefore, in the long run, everyone in this country will be on record.  If there is a child without a mother or father, especally one that isn't paying child support, the computer will be able to locate this person and therefore be court ordered to then pay because they will have proof.  Just a thought.   
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:26 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I agree with you and especially what you said about Allred.

Amen! I agree!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:26 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

My husband married a woman that got preganant believing he was the father.  After years of her committing adultry they divorced with two children.  Last year we filed for custody of the two children age 15 and 11 becuase the children were unsafe and in an unstable envioronment.  My husband was awarded custody of the 11 year old and the maternal grandmother was awarded custody of the 15 year old becuase she refused to live with us.   She refused to visit in our home on her scheduled visitation and the Judge would not make her visit.  We have not seen the 15 year old now 16 in over a year. This July the mother contacted a man telling him he was the 16 year olds father (he was going through a divorce).  They had a private paternity test in July and guess what my husband after raising this child and supporting her is not the father.  We live in a very small community and heard this through the grapevine.  My husband contacte the father and he confirmed everythign and gave him a copy of the test.  The mother has not even had the deciency to tell my husband what is going on.  We hope to get the child support stopped this month when we go to court.  It is like someone has died in our family.  What do you say to people when they ask about your daughter?  And I cannot even imagine how the child feels.  It is so scary that a woman can hold the card and play it whenever she gets ready!  It destroys peoples' lives!

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:26 pm PDT

Parent trap

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I just can't contain my objection to attorney Gloria Alred's opinion that the man who is not the father should continue paying.  It is thoroughly disgusting that any court would ask a man to pay for a child that is not his, we have enough "dead beat" dads as it is, let alone make someone who is not the father pay.  If he wants to continue to pay that is up to him, but he should not be forced to do it,  it should be his decision  to pay or not.  The mother should go after the real father and if this man has paid he should be able to sue the real father and get his money back, only if he wants to do it.  If the mother does not know who the real father is, well that's too bad, if she has any idea at all a DNA test should show that, and go after the real Dad.  Also I am sure that the child would certainly want to know who his or her real father is, for medical reasons if nothing else or maybe to at least have the chance for the real father and child to know each other.  Thanks for letting me share my opinion with you.
i agree with you. i just can't ever agree being FORCED to pay for a child that is not yours. Furthermore I always have an objection to attorney Gloria Alred's thoughts. With her it's all about the money and fame at the cost of others. I also think where do these judges have there heads to FORCE someone to pay and consider incarseration for someone that is not biologically theres. I am a woman and i find that DISGUSTING.
 
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