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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 5:35 pm PDT

walk in the shoes

Until you have walked in this man's shoes you don't have any right to criticize how he handled this terrible news.  Trust me it turns your whole world upside down and makes it difficult to ever trust again.  Perhaps he acted rashly in telling his daughter as he did but stop and think of the emotional hurricane he was in at the time! 

 

And Gloria Allride has no idea of that which she speaks, because this is happening more often than one might imagine.  My son was told that his 6 year old daughter was not his.  He stepped up to the plate and refused DNA testing and refused to discuss  it anymore.  But now the Mother is continually dragging him in to court trying to get more money and sole custody.....so he foots the lawyer bills  trying to maintain a close and loving relationship with a child he views as his own.  Mother's that knowingly pull this type of charade should face some type of punishment simply because of the emotional toll they put on the child, the father and the extended family . 

 

A sad consideration is that one day the child might need to be told anyway because of medical needs...........then what happens to her world, and her view of those she trusted....including her Father.   The child cannot win and that is more than tragic!

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:35 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I've watched that show of Selena and the crazy mother who betrayed her husband of their child Selena. The mother has caused pain in their lives by lying. Enriques is the father by love not money. The Mother was wrong to not have said to her child and ex-husband of the deception she comitted. I am sure Enriques told Selena in an unkindly manner out of anger and betrayal. As for finances..the mother needs to take care of her mistake not Enriques. Cause his innocent but yet loves Selena as his own. Which doesn't make him to pay alimony..for selena. Besides they have divorced and moved on and the mother shouldn't rely on Enriques to pay for child support..she needs to find the biological father to do that. I don't understand why PEOPLE play with human hearts (love). Enriques needs to rekindal his relationship with Selena and give her money or gifts when he feels like it.. I hope Selena can understand that...that it's LOVE not MONEY....God Bless them both and luck to rekindal the relationship.
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:36 pm PDT

Hits WAY too close to home !

I just about had a stroke watching the show ! My husband and I LIVED this just a few short years ago ! My husband had been married before and when the 3 kids were taken from the ex, due to her drug use, and CPS was going to give them to us, SHE is the one who screamed that "the girl is not his !" (she was 7 at the time)... Well, that opened up the can of worms that ended up costing us over $30,000.00 !!!!!! This all happened in Washington State,  a state that CATERS to LIARS, and THEIVES !  We had a DNA test done, and sure enough, my husband was NOT the father ! This PIG of a woman (let's call it what it IS here, folks), even NAMED the BIO dad --- that STILL did not matter to the corrupt state of WA ! They went after my husband full force to STILL pay support, because, they would not let us raise her because she was not his bio kid, but flat out told us that he would still have to pay support. That was evil ! So, we lawyered up and fought back, MAKING Wa state go after the bio dad !  After 2 years, of fighting this, WE WON !!!   May I add, before the court fight ,the courts took all my husband's  visitation away because the PIG "mother", told the child  he was NOT her dad ! They said it would be damaging to her to still see him, knowing he was not the dad.  So, you see, he was not the one to cut off the relationship with the kid --- the state of WA did that !!  They had told him that he would not be allowed to see her, talk to her, or know anything about her, but had to financially support her.  It was truly a hard fight, but , in the end when we won, we knew we did the right thing.   My husband did everything he was supposed to, and time and time again the state of WA screwed him over !  For all those out there who think a man should pay for a kid that is not thiers, just because they were there for a few years, (or 10 --- I don't care how long it was ), you are just as sick and twisted as the liar "mother" !  Why don't YOU pay for the kid then??? You would be as related to her as the accused man is !  By having these men STOLEN from,--- AND YES, THAT IS WHAT IT IS ----- just gives these sub-human "women" a free ticket and reward for being a liar and a theif ! For the courts  to tell a man that they are non-exsistent except for the WALLET they own is the lowest form of evil I know ! They , like the creep women they  protect, care NOT ONE BIT about what is FAIR and RIGHT, but, who has the easiest wallet to steal from !  And the whining of "but what about the chillldddd?" Give me a break ! Have the whore "mother" deal with that ! It is called CONSEQUENCES ! Maybe if we held these PIGS responsible for the lies they tell, that destroy lives, we would stop seeing this kind of garbage !! In the end, my husband was removed from the birth certificate and won his case 100% ! But, he will forever be angry and bitter that when he TRIED to step up and raise this kid, the state of WA ripped that away from him !   And to blame the new wife for all this??? OH GEEZZZ !!! Are you saying men are so dumb that they will blindly go along with what ever the new wife says ? I choose to think that these men are smart and can think for themselves ! Let us not forget that the "new wife" was 100 % RIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What argument now??  Place the blame where it belongs ! Squarely on the back of the woman who is now PROVEN to be a whore and a LIAR !  Believe me, if there were ANY way to sue this creep for all the money my husband wasted over 7 years, and just for the pure heartache I saw him suffer through, it would be done in a milli-second !! But, like always, men get the bad rap in this situation. Not all men are creeps ! As I am seeing more and more, it is the women who are truly disgusting !  Something needs to be done to make this fair ! It is not like men are asking to be let off the hook.......... if they are not the dad, they should be left alone ! Make the woman pay for her own kid ! It is now HER PROBLEM !!!!  Until something changes in the court system, (and by the garbage Gloria Allred was spewing out there, doesn't look too good), this will continue to go on.  With lying women and Ms. Liberal, er, Allred, there backing them up, the good folks are screwed. God help us all..............
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:36 pm PDT

Child first

I am a single Mom and I know it is hard to support children, but in this case I'm on his side! How it should be handled or better should have been handled is let him continue a relationship with the child and explain there was a problem in a way she could understand. A child should not be involved with who is paying or how much child support is being  payed. Shame on both of them. He handled it wrong but she was the cause. The bio father should be tracked  down if she wants support. Ms. Alred needs to get a life, she appeared to be preaching, she didn't really have an answer, just a lot of yelling! I feel sad for the little girl. Good job Dr Phil for telling mom she was the cause!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:36 pm PDT

The Mother

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The father did not handle the situation properly.  He did a lot of damange and should make it  his responsibility to repair the relationship with Selena.  Selena could be affected in ways that could not appear until later in life.  The mother did not have any remorse until near the end of the show and I feel it was NOT sincere.  She bears equal responsibility, if not more, for the damage to Selena.  This is not about money.  Money only clouds the real problem.  LIES, infildelity, and lack of moral character on the part of the mother if the bigger problem.  She should be made to pay the money back. Her current husband should be very careful.  This woman has a very cold heart. Fathers, in these cases, should maintain a father relationship with these children as the children had no part in the actions of the mothers.

 

Gloria A.  was there for publicity only.  She is a camera ?????.  She just swept the lies and deceit by the mother under the rug.  I feel she is in it for the publicity and money. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:36 pm PDT

fathers have right

        I think the father should have the right to pay or not if  the child is not his.

The laws have changed alot for father, but alot of judges have not and that is the problem.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:37 pm PDT

LAwyer

ALSO>>>> that feminist lawyer needs to give it a break and just realize that what she was saying made no sense she tried to change the subject a lot and was going backwards on her words and was proven wrong like the whole time. Let her put herself in his shoes hmmm what would she have to say now!
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:37 pm PDT

This is crazy

I can hardly believe that a mother could do this to her own daughter.  I have 2 daughters and I would never have thought to betray her or their father the way this woman did.  What if the biological father wants to be in his daughters life?  Or what if she has brothers and sisters,grandparents, aunts,uncles,and even cousins who have no idea that she is alive.  Do they have any rights?  What if her daughter gets sick and only her biological father can assist her in getting better?  I think women should not get away with this.  That means if I find a sucker who makes good money and trust me , I could get pregnant by some bum on the street , pass the baby off to the good guy and he is stuck for life.  It should be illegal.  A woman should not be able to just name any man as the father of her child without the mans consent from the start.

 

My thoughts on the father is that he should have not cut his daughter out of his life the way he did.  I understand that he was angry and hurt and did not think his actions through.  I hope that with time he and his daughter can rebuild their relationship.  Has he thought about his first daughter being his, I mean if his wife did it once whos to say she hasnt done it twice.  Just a thought

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:37 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I feel so sorry for the children and the father, (biological or not ).  He is definately a victim aswell as the child.   the whole time dr Phil was interviewing selina, I could hear her mother talking.  She has been coached .  The reason she does not want to see her dad is because of what her mother has put in her head.
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October 29, 2007, 5:37 pm PDT

WOW!

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How sad that Mia felt so out of control that she had to bring this up to Enrique and keeps insisting that Maria be "sorry" for her "wrong".  Mia is the root of the difficulties because she just couldn't accept paying child support to Enrique's children.  Mia knew these children existed prior to her marriage to Enrique but apparently is so jealous of Enrique that she is taking advantage of a sad reality.  So what that Enrique is paying child support for Selina.  He SHOULD!  He accepted this child and at some level he probably knew that she might not be his but never questioned it until some money had to go out of his pocket.  Mia needs some serious counseling to work through her anger and jealousy and Enrique needs to stop this woman from destorying whats left of his life.  He needs to be the one to step up and say, I love this child and will do what is right by her even if she isn't mine.

Who cares about what Mia said or did. This man was lead to believe that he was the father of both of these girls. She was right to say something to him, and confirm what he's already known for a long time. If it we're me, i would have done the same thing! His ex wife couldn't keep her legs shut, and caused all of this drama all because her marriage was supposedly on the rocks. This little girl will have to live with this for the rest of her life, and it's not fair to her. This isn't about money, the mother should be prosecuted for what she did, she lied and falsified legal documents. That man can have a relationship with his "daughter" and not have to support her mother financially. He isn't her real father, her real father should be found and he should be sued. He knew that he slept with a married woman to begin with, so he's just as much at fault. Enrique can still be this girl's father, he is all she has ever known, but he shouldn't have to pay child support. If he wants to do things for her or buy things for her, then thats fine, but he shouldn't legally have to pay. She isn't his. And if they can't find the real father, then the mother should be sued and put in jail for being a bitch and a liar. If it were me, I'd be more pissed at my mom for doing all this, and not being mad at my dad. And shame on the mom for thinking that he should pay regardless, and shame on her new husband for staying with her, knowing what a conniving bitch she is.

 

But you know, regardless, he has been paying child support. I can't say that for my sons' father, and he still gets away with not paying. He hasn't gone to jail, he hasn't gotten in any kind of trouble for this, and it upsets me because my son goes without alot of things because i can't do it all on my own. My fiance has been there for me and my son since he was 3 months old. His father hasn't. But for some reason he still remembers him. I live in NY state, and as far as I'm concerned, the family court system is a joke!!!

 
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