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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 6:10 pm PDT

YEAH!!

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  • If he (any many lied to about paternity) is not the father then I believe that he should not be forced to pay child support. If he chooses to then good for him and his character. He should however continue a relationship with the child(ren). I did not hear this addressed by Dr. Phil and I would have liked to hear that be addressed. I do not see what the problem would have been for that. The mother on the show was very sharp and continued to mention that she wanted him to pay, it seemed like that was her main concern - the money not the child. I would have like to know what her comment would be about him not being forced to pay but trying to see the child build some kind of relationship with the "father".
  • I believe that there should be some kind of law that says that he could sue the mother for fraud. She did perpetrate a very cruel and mean situation that may have irreparably scared this child for ever. People can sue for stupid crap all the time why is this taken so lightly by the courts as far as the mothers responsibility for creating this havoc.
I POSTED A MESSAGE EARLIER,,, BUT,, YOU ARE DEAD RIGHT ABOUT, PEOPLE SUE ALL OF THE TIME,,, AT LEAST THIS WOULD BE A LEGITIMATE CAUSE!!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:10 pm PDT

Unbelievable

I cannot believe that Enrique is being forced to pay child support for a child that isn't his.  Letting a man believe that he is the biological father of a child when he really isn't is the ULTIMATE betrayal.  I totally disagree with how Enrique has handled the situation, but there is no way he should have to support this child financially unless he chooses to.

 

The real father needs to be located and ordered to pay child support. 

 

Although Enrique is in my opinion a victim of Maria's lie, I think the person who was hurt the most was that precious child.  It broke my heart to watch her talk about dealing with an issue that she should not have had to deal with at that age.  Maria may want to blame her daughter's hurt on Enrique, but it is just as much her fault as it is Enrique's.  Not only does she have to deal with abandonment issues, but hat poor baby will also always remember that her mother cheated on her father, got pregnant, and lied about it to her family until she got caught. 

 

I cannot believe that Maria could sit on that stage and actually argue that her ex husband should have to be financially responsible for a child that isn't his.  She says that his biggest concern is money, but it's pretty obvious that it's her biggest concern as well or she wouldn't be pressing the issue of money. 

 

Both of these parents should be ashamed of themselves.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:10 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

If there are more than 100,000 false parental claims made annually - we have a very simple fix for all in the future.  Before a father can be named on the birth certificate, there must be a DNA test done acknowledging that the man named is in fact the biological father. How difficult could this be? 

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:11 pm PDT

Come on people . . .

Alright people, if this isn't about the money,but about the child, then this is what I feel:

 

Cheating mom needs to let the "dad" of 10 years have visitation of Selina, and go after the bio-father for the support!!! Why isn't the bio-father, involved at all, anyways?? Shouldnt  HE have obligations to this child too?? I don't feel that "dad" did the right thing by letting his anger get in the way and telling the poor child the way he did, but Mom should feel more remorse though . . .she messed up!!! It really should of been up to "dad" whether or not he wanted to take responsibility of Selina from the get go, before birth!!! Chances are they could of mended the anger before it involved Selina! I pray for the child's sake that this can come to a middle ground, I'll be praying for all that are involved!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:11 pm PDT

Listen to Your Gut

I truly feel he knew the child was not his and did nothing, until he new wife seen his two daughters and told him, (you know your youngest daughter is not your biological daughter). 

 

I do agree the mother was wrong in not telling the father the child is not his but the father also should have listen to his gut.

 

How could you take a child to the park and tell the child, "I  am not your daddy," that was wrong. That poor child, my heart goes out to her. I truly hope she do not have trust issues with men down the road.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:11 pm PDT

I feel bad for him

I am so upset about this because, for one the child is the main one hurt in this.  I totally believe that he should not have to pay child support no matter when he finds out that he is not the father.  She knew he was not the father and deceived him.  I think it is wrong and she should not get any child support and I believe that he should be able to have a relationship with the girl.  I also believe that the way he did it was horrible.  He never should have done that to her.  I hope that everything works out for the daughter and it will take her a long time to get over it.
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:12 pm PDT

child's missing medical history

 Another heinous and potentially fatal aspect of this cruel deception is that the child is unaware of half of his/her family's medical history. Shame on these women.
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:12 pm PDT

Appalling, Ludicrous, Selfish and Self Centered!!!

  My heart goes out to everyone involved in this except for the mother, Maria. Everyones lives have been drastically changed because of the lies and deception of the mother. Yes, it is true that maybe Enrique didn't handle this situation the way that professionals may recommend, but there is a lot of hearts ripped out of their chests here. To find out that the little girl you thought was your daughter isn't "biologically" yours has to be emotionally traumatic...but for Maria to not accept responsibility and show any remorse at all for her lies and deception is APPALLING!!! And to expect child support from the man that she has lied to, deceived, and cheated on is LUDICROUS!!!  She should have some type of legal consequence for her SELFISH, SELF CENTERED, lies and deception!!! 

  However, I do not agree with Enrique's decision to turn his back on Selina...Love is love...you can't just turn it off. I love each and every one of my children...unconditionally. If I were to find out that one of them wasn't "biologically" mine, my heart would be broken but I would still love them the same. I don't believe that I would tell them that they weren't mine. I would want to protect them from the same pain that I would be feeling.

  I do not agree that a man should be ordered to pay child support for a child that he was tricked into believing was his...I believe it should be done voluntarily. If you love them, you should want them to have what they need, whether financially or mentally. The court should not force him to pay for the mothers lies and deception. Take the money out of the equation...KEEP THE LOVE IN IT!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:12 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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What the mom did was wrong, obviously (and I wish that there was a punishment we could dole out to women who do this that wouldn't hurt their children).  Enrique was deceived, also obvious...  What doesn't seem to be so obvious to many here is that the child DOES belong to Enrique.  What I mean by this is that biology doesn't play a role in the relationship/feeling between parent and child, NOR SHOULD IT.  If I learned today that my child was not mine (whether through deception or a hospital error) it wouldn't change my love for my child, nor my desire to continue providing the best I can financially.  Money IS important in that it sends a message (a strong one) to the child about whether you treasure them or your money more.  I would want my child to know that regardless of whose they were biologically, that I would and will always consider them MINE.  And I'd make sure to reinforce this by providing for them financially!  I wouldn't allow for any question at all to permeate my kid's thoughts about where my loyalties are!

 

Enrique got screwed, but that in no way changes (or rather, shouldn't have changed) the fact that he has been her father!  Where are his feelings for her????  (His daughter is very bright to have heard his sudden and renewed interest in her with skepticism!) How could he have treated someone he raised from infancy, and supposedly loved, that way????  I wouldn't wish that kind of treatment on my worst enemy.  The feelings of abandonment this poor girl must feel, I can't imagine.  She may not realize this now, but I have no doubt that those feelings of abandonment and mistrust will affect her future relationships because they will affect how she feels about herself.  I pray she gets the help she needs as she grows to realize exactly what Dr. Phil said -- that she is worthy of love regardless of what that pseudo-father did to her. 

 

Frankly, I don't know how some people here can justify anything but a continuation of  a fatherly relationship, and that includes a FINANCIAL one.  NOT because this is "fair" to him, but because (more importantly) it is what is "fair" and right for HIS DAUGHTER.  And again, he should want to.  If I were him, I wouldn't care about seeking out the biological father so as to pay for my kid's expenses.  I would want nothing to do with him in fact, so as not to ruin the stability I would hope to continue to provide, (until my child wanted to seek him out, that is.  It's only natural that kids want to know who they biologically came from at some point in their lives).  My kid is mine.  Period.  I WOULDN"T ALLOW ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT.  THAT"S WHAT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, ENRIQUE...

 

Finally, I imagine that several conditions must have existed for Enrique to be so cruel to the daughter he raised for ten years:  1) that he didn't really love her and 2) that he hated his wife so much for deceiving him that he preferred torturing his daughter in this way so as to punish the mother, (rather than seeing his daughter as the gift she is). Bottom line is that I would likely have divorced my wife and FOUGHT to keep my daughter(s)!  As for the poor daughter, I can't believe that now that she has another loving father in her life, Enrique decides that he wants and misses her....  REALLY?!? I  t took you YEARS to realize this, Enrique?!?  What a prince you are... You took the only father she had away from her (you), and now you don't want to give her a decent chance at a life with another man who DOES want to be her father and sees her as the blessing she is.  Something YOU couldn't do.  You've proven yourself completely unworthy of her.  Your "judgement" isn't the only thing that is bad.... YOU are!

YOU MISS THE POINT OF THE DISCOURSE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COURT ORDER CHILD SUPPORT .DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE RIGHT TO FORCE THIS MAN UNDER PENALTY OF INCARCERATION TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT FOR A CHILD THAT IS NOT BIOLOGICAL HIS AN D OF WHICH HE WAS FRAUDGENTLY DECEIVED INTO BELIEVING IT WAS.

I AM SURE HE WILL MAKE AMENDS WITH HIS DAUGHTER IN THE FUTHER WHEN SHE IS OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT GROWN UPS ASLO FEEL PAIN AND SOMETIMES MAKE FOOLISH AND CAPRICIOUS DECISIONS.

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:13 pm PDT

thanks

Dr. Phil,
The topic today was a sensitive minefield that demanded cool heads and thoughtful guidance. So you bring on...... Gloria Allred.......and hawking her book. She was loud, obnoxious, condescending, off-point and rude. And this when we already have 2 adults acting the same way regarding a child.

At least you saved me the money of buying her book.
 
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