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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 7:07 pm PDT

Poor Poor Little Selena! Yeah Right!

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I have paid child support for over 25 years. What the parent spends the money on is nobodies business but the parents. They may choose to spend it on hair-dos and manicures,,,so what?,,,all that will do is free up some of their own cash so they have more to spend on the child. I also feel that a man should pay child support even if the child is not his,,unless it was a short marriage or union. The thing that is important is the child. The child support will help the child to live a life closer to what they were accustomed to when the people were together and that is what is most important.

And then the child grows up and give you their behinds to kiss! I took in my husband's eight children from a woman that was glad that I had her kids! I would have to go to her house and drag her behind around my house to help out with her kids! I was not on welfare with them, I used the little money that I had and made sure everyone was fed clothed and the whole nine, did homework, put them in church, etc. and he wind up going back to her and leaving their eight kids with me, now you tell me what's wrong with this picture? I Called the state to come get them because I was suffering from gulf war illness, trying to raise 8 kids until they got up in age and start running away, talking back, all because I ran a military household and I wasn't having it! First thing out of their mouths was you're not my mom! so I put everybody out! So you have to watch kids too they are very manipulative when they want something! I don't care what nobody say I watched that little girl and it seems to me that she was glad that he was not her father and the stepdad act like he wanted to be more her friend than her father because she gets her way with him! That's what I believe!

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:08 pm PDT

What's it do to the kids?

 These "moms" can actually have the law stand behind them and force a man to continue paying child support when he would not have, had she not lied?  What kind of message does it send to the kids?  Mom gets away with lying so we can too?   I have to agree with the majority on this one.  These men should NOT have to pay another red cent.  Everyone coddles the kids.  I've been through very hard times myself.  Guess what, I dealt with it.  My Dad raised us himself as our Mom died when we were very little.  We're ok and our childhood went from very disfunctional to very awesome.  Everyone wants to protect kids but trauma happens, adults lie, make mistakes.  I really think kids should be told about the mistakes and helped to deal with the repercussions than have some adult get away with a lie and another completely innocent party suffer.  Making the man continue paying for her lie is all wrong and just another way for people to not deal with their mistakes.  All you men out there in this situation, take an activist approach like that feminist on his show - if you can.  It seems the activists get the biggest voice.  A D11 Cat couldn't push the amount of dirt she spewed throughout the entire show.  Dr. Phil......make a show about the dads.  I know 1 man who actually committed suicide over support.  He was paying $1800 per month for 2 kids (in 1992) and was not allowed to see them.  He was so busy working he did not take the time out fight the Mom.  He just kept working and killed himself at work.  It is a very serious issue and these women sit there all smug and actually have the law back them up. It is VERY wrong.  I am not defending the man for comitting suicide.   That is wrong.  But...I have read the laws in Canada - very similar to the US - the men get the dirty end of the stick almost always - and women get away with it.  These men can get to feeling helpless and hopeless.  Let's find someone on your show to stand up for these men without the feminist activitists anywhere in sight!
 
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October 29, 2007, 7:09 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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The women of the world know that they can trick men into getting them pregnant so they can have a decade of easy money.  There is an epidemic in this country of women coming from other countries to marry American men, have a child and then divorce and on to the next man.  Wash, rince, repeat into financial secuirty. 

 

With VAWA and the domestic violence laws in America, men are now nothing more than wild game for women.  They know how profitable it is to have children in America.  With the advent of Title IVD programs and VAWA, the government encourages divorce and custody battles.

 

Just read Dr Stephen Baskerville's latest book "Taken Into Custody" and you will see how the American Bar Association built the Divorce Industry for their profits and the destruction of American Families.

 

Thank you - this is an excellent point and personally I'm glad to see that the light of this is being shined on all women, instead of just the minorities who have for traditional used babies like food stamps.

 

I will never understand women. When women stay there are no good men left it is becasue of their doing.

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:09 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I think before any woman gets child support from a man a paternity test must be done to protect the innocent. Besides, if some health issue comes up in the child later it is best to know who the real father is in case for genetic reasons they need to contact him.

In the case where the man paid child support for ten years only to find out the child is not his is wrong to have happened and he should not be financially accountable; yet, if he has made a relationship with the child then he can choose how to continue it voluntarily but no force needs to be placed on him anymore. If this is a country where justice is served and the innocent protected then let's have it and start changing the abortion laws to protect the innocent while we're at it!

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:09 pm PDT

awful in so many ways

i sympathize with the children and fathers who are wrongfully identified as "the father".  i don't have any answers.  i used to be married to a criminal bum.  i was 16 he was 26 when i met him.  i was 26 when i got divorced.  i put him in prison for 5 years for abusing me and his rights have been terminated to my two children, however he as dodged paying for 3 girls previously, and he was paying $20 per week for mine.(remainder was $9000,and would stop in a couple more years). unfortunately he has apparently produced another child his first year out of jail and now can't afford to pay the $20 per week for my two.  he goes from working to unemployment.  back and forth.  luckily i have successfully moved on, happy kids, remarried and just landed a job with the county jail:).  go figure.  there are tons of bad guys out there, but until the system changes there is no use in fighting it.  i am glad he is gone. and unfortunately i have to raise my boys and don't have the time nor energy or money to go into politics.
~j

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:11 pm PDT

Steeling

Since when did we combine a price tag to a relationship with a child. There is no reason that a father/mother cannot have a wonderful relationship with a child without money ever being involved. California courts have a way of putting a hefty price tag on the back side of every relationship between a parent and a child no longer living with them. And they aren't the only court system doing it. If that child is not a biological child, I don't care how long the parental figure has been in that child's life. They should no longer be paying child support simply because the mother committed parental fraud. Where is the real biological father in all of this. Why is no one going after him to pay child support. How about he pays child support and the man that has been in the child's life for the last 10 years can still have a relationship with the child. Members of the court always like to throw around the words, In the best interest of the child, but what they really mean is, how much you will have to pay. because that price may be too high to even afford to visit. And how about the mother, where is the justice in the fraud she committed? I am outraged just watching her sitting there with her smirks of her face.
 
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October 29, 2007, 7:11 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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The new wife is no more to blame than a stranger off the street.  Anyone could have come to the same conclusion as the new wife if they saw the "adulterous" mother together with Enrique, and then looked at that child's green eyes could see that she wasn't his biological child.  She just pointed out the obvious!

It wasn't her place.

 

Does anyone have any decorum anymore.  And furthermore, if it was so obvbious, then why did he wait to question his ex-wife after he got remarried?

 

It's all about the M O N E Y !

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:11 pm PDT

There ought to be a law!!

No way should Enrique have to continue to pay support for someone elses daughter.   He can keep the girl in his life if the daughter, her mother, and Enrique agree.   He paid enough already.  If he wants to buy her gifts or take her places with the half sister such as dinner. etc., that should be volunterily on his part. This cheating woman is taking money away from the man's new wife!  The ex -wife needs to go after the biological father of this girl. 

 

Now that we have DNA, it ought to be used.  This will make a man think twice before he messes with another man's wife.  The law should be that the biological father pays-----not the man that was cheated on!

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:11 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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This becoming more common, and I think the anicent way of thinking and the justice system needs to change. 

I was once asked, by my mother, if you liked her good enough to lie down with her, why isn't she good enough to marry?  That way of thinking has got me a divorce and paying child support for a child that everybody knows is not mine, including the biological father.  I simply call my child support, bail money! it definitely keeps me out of jail.  Do I pay the support?  yes... Do I love the child?  Having to love everyone to go to Heaven, yes...  Do I wish the mother could feel my, government restraints?  Hell yes...  It's said to be in the best interest of the child, that's bullshit! 

How can you say.... " Havin to love everyone to go to Heaven, yes"????? It's like you don't love the child but if you pretend to, then you will make it to Heaven...... do you really think that you are fooling God???

 

Im not saying this is about your situation but, if men weren't all about sex and getting with women, then there would be a LOT less paternity problems out there!!! So I say..... "BLAME THE MEN"!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:12 pm PDT

I feel sorry for the child

I agree completely that the man was victimized but I also think that everyone except Dr. Phil was focused on one thing money. I think that money should not be an issue when it comes to a childs health whether is is mental or physical. She has suffered far more than the father has and I feel like that the fathers new wife wants everyone to feel sorry for him. I dont believe he should pay child support for her but I do believe he should have stuck around and been a father to her and that just because a piece of paper says she isnt his child doesnt mean that he should ignore her. I am not saying the mother is innocent either I believe that she should have told him that she didnt think the child was his from birth and then a paternity test could have been done. I dont think this should be a blaim game I think that it should be more for the concern of that young girl and my heart goes out to her for what she has gone through. I also think she is a very strong smart young girl and its her "father"s own stupidity for not having the chance to be there as she continues to grow into a strong young woman!
 
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