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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 7:47 pm PDT

Fraudulent moms

I am the first to agree with Dr. Phil that the child should come first.  Under NO circumstances should the child be put in the middle or made to pay for an adult mistake.  Selina is paying.   Upon discovering that Selina was not his daughter Enrique should have handled the situation a lot differently to spare Selina all the trauma and confusion she is going through.  He should have remembered she is a child and not responsible for her mothers lies.  On the other hand Maria should be punished by law for not telling Enrique when she discovered she was pregnant that there was a possibility that the child wasn't his.  These scams have been going on for years and it should stop.  The potential "father" should have the right to decide (before the child is half grown) to make the decision to be the father or not.  I think Maria and other mothers that victimize or trick men should have to make restitution to the person they put in the situation.  They continue with the lies because they know there is no punishment for them.  Ooops!!! I lied and you paid and there's nothing you can do about it!!  And the courts say you trusted me so you pay some more!!  Jokes on the man.   I am a mom and I would never want my children to grow up thinking someone was their dad and then discovering they weren't.  What an ugly mean thing to do to an entire family.
 
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October 29, 2007, 7:47 pm PDT

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On the show Enrique said he had concerns but put them aside during the marriage and managed to make it work 10 more years!  Really, who wants to think that his wife was cheating on him while he was still in the marriage?  I too would suppress my fears for the wellfare of my family if I had to, to make it work.  But when his marriage didn't work out, he thought it was time to find out the truth.  The only one without decorum is the biological mother.  The money is secondary for sure!

  I do not believe any man should have to pay child support for a child that is not his.  However, he wanted to be right and ended up being wrong. He crossed the line. He should have continued to think about the welfare of his family,(his 2 daughters) and how this would effect them.  As said by someone else two wrong don't make a right.

 

  The love of money is the root of evil.

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:49 pm PDT

all parents need rights ?

Watching the show mad me angry because this woman  had  her cake and ate it too.  She showed no remorse and her daughter was stuck in the middle . The attorney Gloria has lost her mine why should you someone  have to pay double these men lost mentally ,emotionally, and money wise  .   I don't know if it is true or not but in some states DNA is not possible without the mother's  consent ? True or false so how can a  man find out if he is the father or not if the female has the courts on there sides !  I also feel that these females give women like myself a bad name . I agree with the two guys some females have kids and don't know who the father is  or they do and realize he won't be around and won't pay child support it is  wrong in so many ways !!!!!!!!!   You make the child take care of the child if you are not sure let them know before your son or daughter has a project at  school needing the parents blood types and it comes out !
 
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October 29, 2007, 7:49 pm PDT

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!

Dr. Phil, why did no one even bring up the point that even though it would have been good for Enrique to handle the situation differently, it is reasonable to acknowledge that atter having the bombshell dropped on him that he might just have a hard time being totally rational about it all? How many of us would have stopped and done the totally right thing in such a traumatic situation? He is told that his beloved child is not really his anymore but he still has to pay! And such a cocky and arrogant attitude I have never seen in a woman. That would drive anyone (man or woman) to irrational and destructive behavior!

 

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:49 pm PDT

She is a villain? Get real!

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The real villian, in my opinion is Enriques new wife.  Absolutely, she raised this whole issue so he would  pay less child support to improve her own financial situation.  How dare she come in and say that the one daughter doesn't look like him.  What if she had been wrong?  Did she ever think of that?  Sure the 1st wife was wrong not divulging this deception but we don't know their situation at that time.  Maybe she simply made a bad judgement 10 years prior.  Maybe she really wasn't sure, so why bring it up if he isn't suspicious?  The poor daughter must have felt terrible and alone.  I am from a divorced family and even when your real Dad leaves, you think it's your fault.  I know of a family situation close to me, in which a 2nd husband joined a Mother & son.  They then had 3 boys of their own but when this 2nd marriage didn't work out, he was forced to pay child support to the one boy who wasn't his, as well.  The judge felt that he had acted as a Father figure for a long-enough period and "how dare he" keep the 4th child from receiving any financial aid, simply because he's now out of the picture.  I would say the same thing applies here. 

She made a comment that turned into the undeniable truth! The mother was wrong and dishonest in all aspects. While I totally feel for the child and do not agree with what Enrique has done, I think the mother is the root of it all. She lied from the start and now should have to reimburse Enrique. She used her daughter as a pawn and should have to pay him back.
 
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October 29, 2007, 7:50 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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If everybody were thinking about the child, it wouldn't be that hard of a decision.

 

If you have raised this child, and he/she calls you "daddy", then you should not desert her/him, emotionally, physically, or financially.

 

 

 

 

Again.......... if you are not in the situation, you don't understand the damage that is done by this whore being a liar ! In a perfect world, nobody would ever leave......... and blah, blah, blah !  Life sucks at times ! If the daughter is hurt, then let the "mother" fix it ! It is called CONSEQUENCES !!!!!!!!  Kid or not, the truth needs to be told ! If the concern were truly the kid, the whore/mother never would have lied in the first place !
 
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October 29, 2007, 7:52 pm PDT

Parent Trap

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I sit watching this program and think "why don't they see the obvious"?  Just let the father continue his rights as being the father figure in this beautiful childs life without paying child support?  Everything I heard on the program was about the "money".  If the wife knew she was wrong in having an extra marital affair while being married and is caught red handed...own up to it and do what is right for the sake of the innocent child?  She is so concerned about getting her child support rather than what is right for her daugher and lives with the pain she is suffering every day.  It is so simple but she is greedy and wants the money.  I am appauled and so frustrated because this child is caught in the middle.   I think everyone can agree that there are both men who play around and don't want to pay the price but there are also the "same" amount of women that don't take responsibility for do the same and trap those innocent men to pay when they shouldn't.  The fact is the children should not pay the price on either of these situations.  Until the people in this world take responsibilities for their actions....this will continue on......Very sad for people that have a conscience in this world to see this happen.....It kills me to see!  Dr Phil I think you are awesome at what you do and commend you....carry on!
I agree that the child is the most important person in this whole situation, but look at the message it sends to the children that the mother with held such a deep secret from them.  I believe the mother knew all along and it doesn't matter who found this out or how.  I do believe the father Enrique was very hurt and acted out of pain in telling the girls the news the way he did.  Now that this is out in the open, I believe the children (as both girls suffered) be first and I also believe that the mother should be held accountable for her deceitful actions.  She is the person who destroyed the family and the father's actions was the "cherry on top".  It is a shame that Enrique is made to pay child support.  I don't believe any man should be forced to pay child support on a child that's not his "UNLESS" he voluntarily wants to.  It would seem that after having a relationship with a child for all the years of her life that the father would want to continue the relationship, but this man had the "rug pulled from under him" and he didn't handle this in the best interest of the children.
 
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October 29, 2007, 7:52 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

So many people and so many stories.  I like that Dr. Phil AND Gloria Allred kept trying to focus on the child and the impact this has on her.  It's done now, though, right?  The mom probably lied because she knew the man that she had cheated with was not the kind of man that she would want to raise her child.  She may have realized that it was all a horrible mistake but there was no going back.  She probably considered all of her options - abortion?  Would that have made her a better person?  Telling her husband?  So he could leave them all?  What if she left with her daughter and dealt with the pregnancy alone?   Probably not a plan at all and probably not even an option at the time.  The fact was that she was pregnant - and perhaps she was having intimate relations with her husband also - so she wasn't even sure! The fact was that she was pregnant and that's what she had to deal with.  If her husband knew they were having problems and had suspected anything and continued to stay with her and raise 'their' girls together - then the girls were THEIR girls!  How hard is that? 

 

I know the father said he regrets cutting off visitation with the daughter that is not biologically his - but biology had nothing to do with the emotional relationship he had already built with this child.   I think his new wife has a lot to do with everything.  Jealousy plays a big part in all of this.  The new wife thinks she has her husband's best interests at heart, but she also has to deal with his children.  Why couldn't she leave it alone? 

 

Yes, the TRUTH would have been nice.  But maybe it wouldn't have been.  The truth now is hurting so many people - including the innocents and that's so sad.  God bless them all, and especially the girls.  They weren't GIVEN anything with this information.  Look how much was taken away.

 

 

 

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October 29, 2007, 7:54 pm PDT

The respect and responsibilities bestowed on fatherhood are being undermined and demeaned by these attitudes!

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This is just wrong.  It was all started by a lying women, and then she sits there smugly nodding her head at all the issues brought up.  None of this would have happened if she had told the truth.  She knew she had committed adultery, and that there was a possibility this was not her husband's child, yet she chose to lie.

 

She is more responsible for the whole mess than anybody else is.  The law should change.  There needs to be some way to allow men who are lied to and duped into taking responsibility for someone else's child to end their financial requirements.

 

She is responsible for the whole mess, yet she never took full responsibility for what she did, she did not even seem to regret her choices.  She showed no regret for placing her daughter in the position where she was likely to face deep hurt when the truth came to light.

 

 

Of course this began with the mom's deception and lies.  Noone disputes this.  But how is HER sin greater than HIS in abandoning his DAUGHTER?!?  Wake up people.  The situation is what it is.  How can we keep excusing the dad's responsibilities because of the mother's sins?!?  Although one caused the other, EACH of their actions must be judged independently.  And again, how can one justify a father's sudden abandonment of their child because of factors which contributed to the situation?  It's not the right attitude to suggest.  Being a parent is the ultimate responsibility.  It's the only unconditional love that exists among humans.  Enrique blew it big time.  The pain he caused his daughter will never fully heal. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 7:54 pm PDT

Fraud, Lies

I saw much finger pointing and was wondering how the mother was dealing with trying to put this all back together.  She admitted that she made a mistake, she admitted that her marriage was having problems when the baby was conceived, and I can't imagine how scared she was when she found out she was pregnant knowing what she knew.  Especially seeing how mean and vindictive the man, Enrique, was and what he was capable of... she must have been so scared.   What would he do if she had told him the truth at the time?  I can't even imagine how worried and terrified she must have been. 

 

How could someone be so cruel to take all his anger and hatred out on such a sweet, young girl is something I'll never understand.  And how his new wife can sit there and make excuses for his behavior.  I believe the fact that he did live as her father is enough.. and that he was legally married to the mother is a big factor... I hope just for the sake that he was so cruel to the young girl, he has to continue paying child support. 

 
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