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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 8:04 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I was very disapointed that Dr. Phil did not strongly address his opinion about the child support payments. Yes, we know the emotional well being of Selina comes first, but I wanted to here Dr. Phil's opinion on the ongoing child support payments. I wish Dr. Phil had stated that Enrique paying child support for a child that is not biologically his, is wrong. His ex-wife should have voluntarily agreed to stop child support for Selina so that her daughter could have continued to have a relationship with her father. But I can only imagine that her mother is money driven and fueled the fire that enraged Enrique. I believe Enrique is sincere in his regrets. Also hearing Selina talk, I could tell that alot of her emotions had to do with her mother's bad-mouthing Enrique. I'm sure at home, the mom fuels the negative stuff on and on.
Hmmm.  Interesting point--that Selina's emotions were/are fueled by her mother.  I wouldn't be at all surprised at anything this selfish, greedy, vindictive woman does.   But, one day Selina will turn on her when she realizes that she's the cause of all of this by her adultery, deception, etc...
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:04 pm PDT

Mr. Smith

I am a single mother of a 14yr old girl I agree with the guy at the end Mr. Smith qabout women who pin there kids on men knowing the kid isn't theres that is why a lot of men deny kids. The mother on the show knew there was a pissibility that selena wasn't her ex's a lot of the time it isn't the mans fault and they are getting the bad end of the deal. Women need to be honest and start getting fined for lying to men which makes it harder for other woman to be trusted

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:05 pm PDT

This just makes me sick

Although I think the "misled, tricked, betrayed, bamboozled, led astray and lied to" ex-husband should have kept a relationship with his "supposed" daughter if only because of the long period of time he thought she WAS his daughter, I understand his feeling of betrayal.  While agreeing that the child should be the first priority, one must also understand how the man who thought he was the father must  feel.  How he must be hurting too.

 

Once again, Dr. Phil, you have not disappointed me.  In any case where a child is involved, you totally and completely appear to not be able to point out the culprit.  Just because the children are innocent, does not negate the fact that someone is generally guilty of the problem occuring in the first place.  Sure, you said the ex-husband was also the victim ,BUT you placed most of the blame about the daughter's hurt feelings on him and you almost kinda-sorta said the mother was in the wrong.  But just barely.

 

These scandalous, slutty,  low-life women who trick men about parenthood are not worth the ground they walk on.  Adding to that, the likes of idiots like Gloria Allred, who would represent such heathens and try to make an argument for something that is as wrong as 2 left shoes, is just WRONG.  Then exacerbating that, we have a justice system that would even allow such a flagrant, egregious WRONG to happen is just pathetic.... *If we can't find the right man to pay, any man will do...no matter that the mother who provided the false name, is a lying, deceitful adulterous witch".  Yeah, yeah, I know, but it's the best there is.  SO WHAT??

 

If our justice system isn't based on right and wrong, good and bad, fair and unfair, truth and untruths and innocent and guilty, then what is it based on?  When a *just plain dumb* decision is made, based on *he's the one we know about even though we KNOW he's not the right one*...that is nothing less than pathetic and certainly not the best there is.

 

Making a man who is KNOWN to NOT be the father pay child support anyway???  The best Justice System there is???   This is beyond, wrong, bad, unfair and scandalous.

 

Seriously, between The World's Best Known Psychologist, Dr. Phil, skipping around the truth, one of The World's Best Known attorneys, Gloria Allred, making her own truth and The World's Best Justice System, ignoring the truth, we are DOOMED when it comes to right, good, fair, truth or innocent. 

 

The best there are??  I certainly hope NOT!!!!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:05 pm PDT

Come on people!!

What are we coming to, where every child and father need to have a blood test when they are born to determine whether or not the mother is lying??  I really feel sorry for the father here, I would be devastated if I was him!! Could you imagine as a woman if you raised someone Else's child for 9 years thinking it was yours and then you find out it wasn't...you would not know what to do. I would feel like a stranger in my own home!! What I dint understand is if the marriage was SO rocky, why would you stay with a man who is not the father of your child,and not tell him. You would think that it would have given her a way out of the marriage if it was that bad.  why stay together another 9 years? Granted I feel even worse for the daughter.  It was bad enough that she found out that her dad wasn't her dad, and that her mom was unfaithful, but to loose him too, that would be hard.  But she dose need to understand that I sure he still loves her very much, but is so angry at her mother that he doesn't want anything to do with the lie.  I hope this show shows women that it is a horrible thing to do to a man!!  Or heres a thought, keep yourself for your husband, or tell him it is over and you want out.  Why cheat? It hurts everyone involved and it belittles who you are!!! my prayers go out to the family's
God Bless!



 
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October 29, 2007, 8:05 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Quote From: exrices

Tell me, please, how does smiling and blaming the one you have decieved, help you meet your demons? Please, please wake up!

walk a mile in her shoes then judge everyone has demons think
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October 29, 2007, 8:05 pm PDT

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The real villian, in my opinion is Enriques new wife.  Absolutely, she raised this whole issue so he would  pay less child support to improve her own financial situation.  How dare she come in and say that the one daughter doesn't look like him.  What if she had been wrong?  Did she ever think of that?  Sure the 1st wife was wrong not divulging this deception but we don't know their situation at that time.  Maybe she simply made a bad judgement 10 years prior.  Maybe she really wasn't sure, so why bring it up if he isn't suspicious?  The poor daughter must have felt terrible and alone.  I am from a divorced family and even when your real Dad leaves, you think it's your fault.  I know of a family situation close to me, in which a 2nd husband joined a Mother & son.  They then had 3 boys of their own but when this 2nd marriage didn't work out, he was forced to pay child support to the one boy who wasn't his, as well.  The judge felt that he had acted as a Father figure for a long-enough period and "how dare he" keep the 4th child from receiving any financial aid, simply because he's now out of the picture.  I would say the same thing applies here. 

Why "shoot the messenger"?  It could be that the new wife wanted to better her situation with Enrique, but I doubt it.  It sounds like the bio mother dropped hints years ago when her guilt for cheating was at its worst, and then dropped hints again when she decided to go after Enrique for support for Selina.  She was testing the waters and wanted to see if he would find out the truth, which he did!!  She is an idiot, not the new wife.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:05 pm PDT

couldn't believe this story

I heard a portion of this show on televison on my 1/2 break from work, then later on went online to view the rest of it.  After hearing everything, I couldn't believe both the parents. I think that the mother is extremely out of line to ask for child support when she knows in her heart and conscience that she lied on the birth certificate and lied to her family. She doesn't deserve one cent of his money. However, after hearing the saddening news of his parental status, I am extremely disappointed in his reaction. Is he not aware of the psychological and emotional damage he has now done to his daughter! How could be so selfish in his feelings.  He's basicly punishing the wrong person here. That little girl viewed him as her daddy.  Like Dr. Phil said.."the real victims are the children in all of this."  I can't even begin to imagine how she must feel and I definitely don't blame her for not wanting to reconnect with her ex-father more or less.  I do however symphasize more with the father than the mother in the sense that adultry has to be a painful thing to experience. I myself am not married nor do I have kids. I can definitely see how he feels decieved. However those feelings of deceit, along with everything else that came with it, DOES NOT give him an excuse to "drop his daughter like a bad habit" as he did.
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:06 pm PDT

FAMILY VALUES!!!!

Abstinence before marriage, complete monogamy after. Der.

You gotta admit, God really has a point here.

Think of all the problems that would be avoided.

I think it's rediculous that I am required to take all kinds of blood tests every time I have a baby. HIV, Hepatitis, etc...even though my husband and  I don't have any kind of risky behaviors. But still we have to pay for the tests. We've had three kids. We get totally annoyed by this.

Am I alone? Gosh I hope not.

 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:07 pm PDT

Parent Trap

It is a shame that the child is the one that will forever be scared based on the choices of the adults in their lives.  The woman is the most to be blamed because she knows who she slept with.  Enrique should have handled it very different because he also is a victim but this should have been resolved before Salena was old enough to understand the reprocussion. Shame on her mother, the one who is suppose to protect her put her in this position.

 

It seems like Salena is grounded and hopefully as she grows and matures, she will be able to place her abandon feelings into perpectives and realize she has been surrounded by selfish adults.  I think parents need to think before they act and maybe we would have such a messed up generation coming up due to the stupidity of the adults molding them.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:08 pm PDT

Frustrated!

 That was a frustrating show to watch.  The mom was so arrogant and seemed to lack the slightest bit of regretfullness about her part.  I think everyone agrees that how Enrique handle the situation was wrong including him.  And so he handled it wrong, DEFINATELY, but he should NOT have to continue to pay for what this woman knowingly did.  She almost seemed proud of what she it, laughing and nodding her head the whole time like she had no part.  I hate that the lawyer seemed to not place any responsiblity on the mother.  She was all caught up in a being a feminist that she forgot to look at the situation.  She just kept saying how Enrique handle it wrong.....well DUH...she was almost screaming....VERY ANNOYING and I will NOT be reading her book.  Anyhow, the mom needs to admit and actually truely be sorry for what she did, Enrique should not pay child support and like Dr. Phil said its the kid that really has lost everything.  There is nothing but time to fix that relationship if it can be fixed.  anyhow, that show was frustrating to me and I just had to post something to relieve some of the tension.  I think it comes down to sometimes treating men unfairly in these situations b/c of the feminist movement ....and oh, I'm a women and while I'm very thankful for the equality of women and men in this country, sometimes, just b/c she is the mother doesn't make her right.
 
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