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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 8:28 pm PDT

Mothers who committ fraud

My husband and I watched the show, where the mother Maria lied to her husband Enrique about being the father of her child. That woman Maria did not have no remorse for what she did, not only to her ex-husband but to her own daughter. She even had her daughter blaming Enrique for what had took place. He was completely the victim and so was her daughter.

No one can tell a man how to feel or act when they first find out that they have been lied to in the most deceitful way. Maria should be sued and made to give back all the money that Enrique has paid her in the child support. Maria needs to make the real father financially responsible. Now Maria has found Chris another man to take care of her and her daughter. She is a nasty, deceitful, shameful excuse of a woman. It's not Enrique's fault he was lied to. Luckily for him he meant his new wife or he’d still be paying for someone else’s child.

MARIA IF YOUR READING THIS...YOU ARE A POOR PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A WOMAN. YOU HAVE NO SHAME. I HOPE YOUR DAUGHTERS DON'T END UP LIKE YOU.

And for that Lawyer Gloria, she needs to get real. She has no clue of what is going on in the real world. I don't care how much money she makes or who she defends. She should be defending real woman not things like Maria.

I'm glad Dr. Phil had another father who fought the cause on the show to tell her like it is. You go guy!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:28 pm PDT

Unbelievable

I feel that Mother's have the responsibility to be honest in listing the father of their child.  It was unbelievable to me that this mother could sit there and try to find blame in the new wife for setting this whole thing in motion.  If mother's don't watch out it will become standard practice to have DNA testing at the time of any child's birth.  I don't want to believe that we are headed for this but if mother's are going to act as irresponsible as this mother did maybe it's the next step.  I know for a fact that this happens way more often than Ms. Allread would like to believe... we saw it in our own family.  It affects everyone in the family, the difference with our situation is as a family we decided that it did not matter what the paper said.   I just hope that honesty among mothers will come out on top and we are not headed for mandatory DNA testing at birth.
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:28 pm PDT

what is wrong with this world

i toldly agree with dr phil that the vitcim is the child, but the father also is a vitcim. he believed for 9 yrs that was his daughter. he loved her, took care of her ,wiped her nose and eyes when she cried. the father was 100 percent betrayed. he knows he has no rights because she is not his blood. the games the mother could play. she has already played alot of games. i do not believe the way the daughter was told was right. but i also believe that  the child is not his and he should not be emotional are fiancial responsibile for her. if he choses to do so great! what a man! but how many women take on  a stepchild and pay childsupport when they get a divorced? the women love the child but they are not held responsible. i am a woman who raised 2 kids with no finanical help from the father. i did not trick anyone in to taking on of my babies.  i think the mother is the villian. the new wife is taking care of  and looking out for her new life right or wrong. i really wish  all the best the beautiful young women who was betryed by both mom and dad.. hopefully she will focus on school and go to college and show the all. best wishes

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:28 pm PDT

TRUTH

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So many people and so many stories.  I like that Dr. Phil AND Gloria Allred kept trying to focus on the child and the impact this has on her.  It's done now, though, right?  The mom probably lied because she knew the man that she had cheated with was not the kind of man that she would want to raise her child.  She may have realized that it was all a horrible mistake but there was no going back.  She probably considered all of her options - abortion?  Would that have made her a better person?  Telling her husband?  So he could leave them all?  What if she left with her daughter and dealt with the pregnancy alone?   Probably not a plan at all and probably not even an option at the time.  The fact was that she was pregnant - and perhaps she was having intimate relations with her husband also - so she wasn't even sure! The fact was that she was pregnant and that's what she had to deal with.  If her husband knew they were having problems and had suspected anything and continued to stay with her and raise 'their' girls together - then the girls were THEIR girls!  How hard is that? 

 

I know the father said he regrets cutting off visitation with the daughter that is not biologically his - but biology had nothing to do with the emotional relationship he had already built with this child.   I think his new wife has a lot to do with everything.  Jealousy plays a big part in all of this.  The new wife thinks she has her husband's best interests at heart, but she also has to deal with his children.  Why couldn't she leave it alone? 

 

Yes, the TRUTH would have been nice.  But maybe it wouldn't have been.  The truth now is hurting so many people - including the innocents and that's so sad.  God bless them all, and especially the girls.  They weren't GIVEN anything with this information.  Look how much was taken away.

 

 

"You will know the the truth and the truth will make you free" John 8:32
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:28 pm PDT

Mia

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I am Mia the current wife.  I first want to say my heart goes out to Enrique and Selina and everyone else involved. I dont feel it is my place to tell my husband how to feel about this devastating mess.  I suggested the possibility that Selina was not his daughter only after weeks of praying and discussing the topic with my daughter.  I had my suspicions in the beginning but chose not to voice them.  It was my daughter who talked me in to discussing this with my husband.  As my very wise daughter pointed out; Selina needs to know her medical history and her ethnical background, at a minimum.  I have never participated in tearing anyones family apart.  I have compassion and pray for everyone in this situation to find some peace and yes, that includes Maria and the children.  Its my firm believe and wish that Selina should have a trust fund and any child support money should go into that fund for her to do with as she chooses when she turns 18.  Ill stand by that!  
Hi again Mia. There is a post to you that was posted on my first post to you from Dr. Phil Website member stepmomto1... I think that during our lives we all learn we aren't perfect and can only do the best we can do and, hopefully, learn from our mistakes. Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath that I think includes "To first do no harm." Perhaps, that's an oath we should all take for how we treat our families and friends and people in general. Dr. Phil says that "There is no reality and only perception". When lucky, our perception is on the same page as everyone else's. Sometimes we can get ahead of everyone else...some times it takes awhile to catch up. I think you know what I mean. God Bless You and Enrique and Selina and all dealing with the healing from Maria's lie...including Maria...one day at a time... Sincerely, SEA

Painting Forgiveness
by: SEA

We sketch out a plan
Painting out our moments
To create a beautiful day
Of various events

At the end of each day
We step back to admire
To see if a masterpiece
Or did circumstances mire

That's why God created
Moments and minutes and hours
Of days that turn into years
And forgiveness that empowers

For nobody is perfect
Yet here we all are once again
With a clean canvas
As I paint thank you and Amen

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:28 pm PDT

Second wife

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There seems to be lots of opinion about the sins of the mother and the horrible response of the "dad" but has any one including Dr. Phil thought to ask why the second wife would even bring up her suspicions regarding paternity with the man she "loved"?  She apparently met him as a man with two daughters and it seems needlessly cruel to me that she decided to even open up the possibility that he was not the biological father.  Was it for love or money? What was she really trying to achieve? She was quite smug in the face of a childs pain and Dr. Phil let her off way to easy! Was there any merit in both taking away the girls father and publicly stamping the scarlett A on the mom?  This step mom personifies the reasons it's so hard to blend a family.  I know that fathers rights have been trampled on by our legal system but this was a horrible example of a way to get "justice".

 

AMEN!  I think something should have been said to this new woman (and maybe it was but it wasn't aired).  She isn't supporting that he had two daughters but is angling to sever ties to one for her own gain.  Shame on her!  So many people are focusing on the mom and dad but the real problem here lies in the anger and jealous actions of the second wife.  It is a shame that this angle was not really explored because I know this occurs in families.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:29 pm PDT

ARE YOU SERIOUS????

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So many people and so many stories.  I like that Dr. Phil AND Gloria Allred kept trying to focus on the child and the impact this has on her.  It's done now, though, right?  The mom probably lied because she knew the man that she had cheated with was not the kind of man that she would want to raise her child.  She may have realized that it was all a horrible mistake but there was no going back.  She probably considered all of her options - abortion?  Would that have made her a better person?  Telling her husband?  So he could leave them all?  What if she left with her daughter and dealt with the pregnancy alone?   Probably not a plan at all and probably not even an option at the time.  The fact was that she was pregnant - and perhaps she was having intimate relations with her husband also - so she wasn't even sure! The fact was that she was pregnant and that's what she had to deal with.  If her husband knew they were having problems and had suspected anything and continued to stay with her and raise 'their' girls together - then the girls were THEIR girls!  How hard is that? 

 

I know the father said he regrets cutting off visitation with the daughter that is not biologically his - but biology had nothing to do with the emotional relationship he had already built with this child.   I think his new wife has a lot to do with everything.  Jealousy plays a big part in all of this.  The new wife thinks she has her husband's best interests at heart, but she also has to deal with his children.  Why couldn't she leave it alone? 

 

Yes, the TRUTH would have been nice.  But maybe it wouldn't have been.  The truth now is hurting so many people - including the innocents and that's so sad.  God bless them all, and especially the girls.  They weren't GIVEN anything with this information.  Look how much was taken away.

 

 

 

So it's not the woman who committed adultery fault that this has happened.

It's not the woman who knew she was married and had more than one sex partner's responsibility to tell the poor dupe (excuse me) husband.

 

It's the husband's fault that he continued to stay with his wife and what he thought was his children and his new wife's fault because she could see what he was too close to the situation to see.

 

It's everyone's fault except for the deceitful, conniving, Maria. She shouldn't be blamed.

The truth would have been "nice"? Give me a break Maria didn't tell the truth because the real father was proabably a dead beat and she would not have been able to get as much money as she milked from this unsuspecting guy.

 

How about, please be honest with your mate, tell them all of the truth, let them make informed decisions about claiming children that may not biologically be theirs. To borrow your words,  "how hard is that?"

 

Apparently too hard for people such as Maria.

Why are you defending the perpetrator of all this pain and not one of the victims (ENRIQUE)? The blame the victim mentality of our society is getting a little old.

 

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October 29, 2007, 8:30 pm PDT

So dissappointed in you Dr. Phil

I have to say I could not believe how you allowed that woman to sit on your show, smugly smiling and nodding her head at her ex husband and his new wife like she had no hand in the heartbreak that her daughter was going through. Yes, he definitely made a terrible error. And it was apparant to all that he could not be more remorsefull. So where was the mothers remorse. I kept waiting for you to put her feet to the fire and you never did! She not only lied and cheated on him, she lied and cheated on her two girls. And yet you kept concentrating on the the father. I have to give his new wife credit for quietly continuing to
ask you to see his pain and betrayal in all of this. I understand that your true concern was for their daughter, but if it was not for the treachory of her own mother she would not be in this situation. I feel you sent the wrong message to a world whose moral fabric is already slowly crumbling.
And then there was Gloria Albright! We have a system that is broken. So instead of putting fail safes into the system to make sure that these deadbeat fathers meet their financial reponsibilities to their children, her solution is to let all the decent men in the land pay for them.
Dr. Phil one of the things that made you a household name was that viewers trusted in you to stand up to the cheaters, liers and theives of this world. I cannot speak for everyone else, but I can say for myself that I was dissappointed in Dr. Phil.
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:30 pm PDT

Poor Enrique

This show seemed one-sided to me.  Dr. Phil you really messed up!!  The loud-mouthed "high-profile" lawyer you had on the show was so out of line.  She jumped all over Enrique and said NOTHING to the non--caring, cheating supposed mother of Celina!!  Why didn't anybody (besides Enrique's new lovely wife) jump all over that smirky-faced, money hungry whore of a mother???

I am a regular viewer of your show, Dr. Phil, but boy did you burst my bubble!!   I cannot believe that you didn't bring up the fact that Celina seemed a little bit brain-washed by her horrible mother.  Everything she responded to you in the "chat area" was a staged and rehearsed performance of Maria , the supposed mother.  Did you not sense that?  And how come these kids aren't angry at their mother's stupidity??  Why and how can they trust that woman at all?  How can SO MUCH blame be put on that hurting father while the jealous Maria digs her claws in for MONEY AND ONLY MONEY and no one else see this???   I am so fired up mad about this show!!   I wanted to jump thru the TV, get rid of the loud-mouthed attorney and focus on how hurt Enrique was and is, and that the only way he knew how to deal with the "surprise" situation was to handle it the best way he did.  Celina will survive...he gave her enouh influence and love that she will get through it fine.   I wonder why the courts aren't taking custody of the girls away from that lying, greedy, heartless woman!!!

 

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October 29, 2007, 8:31 pm PDT

Lies...lies...and more lies

This all started when Enrique was asked for child support from his ex.  She is totally responsible for what happened. 
 
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