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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 8:31 pm PDT

What about Selina

What about Selina I heard a bunch of talk about money. I know what it feels like to be abandoned by a Dad my Dad left when I was 4 years old  and my parents divorced at that time. The check that he sent in the mail made me feel cheap. I wanted my Dad thats what Selina needs too. Its not about the  parents or stepmother O.k its about Selina. Gloria and Dr. Phil were the only ones I heard that truly seem to care about her feelings and I see how she ( Selina)  just puts on that face it says I am strong I dont need anyone and its sad to me cause I know that face, sometimes and  in my case it says I will never trust again from this day on. I was also curious if that man who was a guest that won his case if he ever had a relationship with that child? Cause if he did shame on him he seems so selfish and proud of it.
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:31 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

 

If this mother is so sorry and remorseful for what she's done... why doesn't she do the morally ethical thing and stop taking child support from this man?!?  She's the one who perpetrated the lie... now her daughter pays the price!  I can't believe how smug she appeared on the stage!  She could do the "right" thing without involving the courts... she chooses not to!  This must be so frustrating to parents who are fighting ligitimate dead beat dads...  The irresponsibility and selfishness of this woman makes my blood boil!

I don't agree with how Enrique abdandoned his daughter, this will leave a lasting impression on who she is... I can only hope that she grows up to be a happy, well adjusted person... but it would seem that she is fighting an uphill battle considering who her parents are!  What a mess.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:31 pm PDT

Its truly unfair

I think that women that purposely pass off a child as belonging to the wrong man should be ashamed.  It is something that should not happen.  I am sorry, but I think the feminist lawyer on the show was wrong.  Being a feminist should mean that you represent women getting equal rights with men.  It should not be an excuse to advocating women getting the upper hand over men.  And, I am sorry but it is emotionally destructive to allow a man to believe that he is the father of a child when you know he he is not.  Any woman who purposely does this should be held accountable.  I don't believe that the man should have to pay child support on a child that is not his.  And truthfully, I don't think the "real" father should have to pay child support either.  He may be the biological father, but I don't think that he should be responsible if he has been unaware of the child's existence for years.  Its not fair to ask the biological father to pay child support for a child that was hidden from him.  Why should the biological father pay child support when the mother stole his right to watch his child grow up?  Its not fair to tell him that he has to pay child support when he has purposely been denied access to the child.  In these cases, I think the mother should not be compensated for the child.  She is the one who started the whole mess.  It is a despicable thing.

As for the father on the show, I think he did the wrong thing by cutting off his daughter.  I hope he realizes the emotional trauma that he put a ten year old through.  He should be ashamed of himself for taking this out on a child.   But, I do understand that this has been taxing for him especially in the emotional sense.  Its just too bad that this continues to go on. I think that until the mothers are held responsible for this behavior that it will continue.  And that is unfortunate.
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:32 pm PDT

Fatherhood

I can not believe that everybody including Dr. Phil, missed the boat here.   The woman lawyer came the closest to suggesting the moral and Christian value to assess in this situation.   The "father" who thought he was for 13 years, IS the father, and should continue to ACT like it...   He seems to be saying, "My feelings and money are like a faucet to me, and I can turn them off just as easily especially in light of this latest information!!!! "     Dr. Phil where were you on this show????     You are constantly talking about how relationship's need heros...    Well, this child definitely needed one and that would be her non-biological father!!!!   And I believe someone needed to tell him the far reaching goodness he could provide by paying, and tenderly guiding them through their continued relationship.   Instead he has killed everything and left her for dead in his wake of selfishness and in-humaneness.  There is enough blame to go around - so someone should have told the sister to shutup and go live her life, because nothing she had to say had any bearing on making a  softer, more comfortable future for this lovely young girl.   For an Aunt, of 13 years, I would rather have the wicked witch of the North!      I am praying for this young girl, and her mother, who tried to save a lot of people from a lot of pain, and yet, couldn't.....and is made out to be worse than a thief!!!    Trust me, ocassions are coming, celebrations like her graduation, her wedding, her first child,  and he just bought himself a seat on the sidelines of life with his lovely sister who can sit beside him watching their lives go by without being a part of these celebrations of life, and I won't even consider the sorrowful paths he may be forced to face!!!     
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:33 pm PDT

parent trap

 

I think we are really looking at two seperate issues here emotional resposibility and financial responsibility.  A parent can be a parent without having financial resposibility by taking part in the childs life and providing emotional support.  That is what everyone agrees that the child should have. 

 

The financial responsibility falls on the shoulders of the DNA parents, our court systems are the first to slap the book at someone when they find that their DNA is a match, so why not slap the book at the mother when they find out that the DNA isn't a match.

 

What about the real father, if he came into the picture and decided he wanted rights, what rights would the court system say he had.  Would he then have to pay back child support to have those rights?   What if  the child wants to know her real dad, then what?

 

This all comes down to the mother not wanting to take personal responsibility from the beginning.  Women get all the say and men get to follow suit and open up the check book.  If a woman wants a child and the man doesn't, tuff, he gets to pay for the rest of his life, but if the man wants the child and the woman does not, tuff, its the womans body.  I'd like to know when does the man get a say?  They were both there when it happened and thats where his say ends!

 

There are alot of laws in the 21st century that need to be updated to catch up with our 21st century life styles.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:33 pm PDT

Mom should be sued for fraud & return support

 Dr. Phil,
    I think the mother committed fraud.   She deceptively accepted money for a situation she knew was not legitimate!  Not only should the "father" not be liable for any future child support, he should sue the mother for the child support he has paid her since their divorce.
    On the flip side, the father is remorseful for how he has treated his "daughter"   HE SHOULD BE!!!  How dare he take out his frustrations on that poor girl.  I just hope that young girl, who I might add was incredibly articulate for her age, has the compassion some day to allow him back in her life.
 It's never OK for the child to be the pawn. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:33 pm PDT

It is about the child

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Abstinence before marriage, complete monogamy after. Der.

You gotta admit, God really has a point here.

Think of all the problems that would be avoided.

I think it's rediculous that I am required to take all kinds of blood tests every time I have a baby. HIV, Hepatitis, etc...even though my husband and  I don't have any kind of risky behaviors. But still we have to pay for the tests. We've had three kids. We get totally annoyed by this.

Am I alone? Gosh I hope not.

 

 

 

I am a minister...and I don't know where your quote come from. Where is this in the Bible? " 

"Abstinence before marriage, complete monogamy after. " Der.

 

I can appreciate your anger about this situation, if it come from a place of responding to the child's losses. But how does your comments relate to the child and her loses? Consider the young girl who has lost so much. As a parent, my heart goes out to her. The adults are the problem here.

 

By the way, the reasons for the tests you mentioned are to protect your children...not to declare paternity. The diseases that the baby is tested for could be acquired in many ways aside from risky behaviors, or infidelity.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:33 pm PDT

Parent trap

I don't thing it fair he should pay child support, however he is the only parent the child knows, and he should continue a father/daughter relationship.  Ms Allred should direct her legal expertise towards assisting the average woman, left to raise children alone without assistance from  biological dead beat fathers, instead of attacking men like Enrique.  She should assist Enrique,  finding a legal way for the biological father to be held responsible. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:34 pm PDT

I hope some changes are made

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I am a daily Dr Phil watcher but this is the first time I've EVER been motivated to write.  I think the father handled the situation very, very poorly.  How can we say how we would react if we had received such shocking news?  But still, he wasn't thinking of the child.


HOWEVER, I have never heard anything so ridiculous.  Why should a man be responsible for someone elses child because the mother lied lied lied.  And to say "he never asked"?  Wow.  Even more ridiculous.  I used to think Gloria Allred had it going on.  Now I think she's nuts.  I can't believe a whole show could even be made of something so obvious.  I'm glad Dr Phil talked with the child though, and I'm hoping he will be able to help her get through this or get her some help to deal with it.  But there's nothing can be done for the mother.  She obviously knows she can't get any money out of the biological father (perhaps he does not have equivalant resources) but too bad.  She was smug and full of herself, and laughed just like the new wife said.  I was simply appalled.  I agree with the gentleman who said he should be allowed to have a VOLUNTARY relationship with the child, but not obligated to pay the child support.  Mom cheated on her husband so her choices should be (a) track down the father who MIGHT also like to know he has a child or (b) be financially responsible for the child by herself.  This show just tipped me over. 

I agree that dad handled the situation with his daughter poorly. I just hope that this show will open some eyes in the judicial arena. People like Gloria Allred are a prime example of why we have needed changes in the law a long time ago. I too enjoy watching the show with my wife on a regular base without commenting but today's show hit a personal nerve with me. I have been on both sides. I just recently found out that I'm the father of a now 10 year old son. There is a lot of emotions involved with 10 years of not knowing and then now you have to do the right thing for the child regardless of the choice the mother made when she decided that someone else should father your child instead of you. Now she feels a morale sense of responsibility to our son to know who his real father is. I also had been lied to about a being the father of another child when the mother knew that she had been with someone else and when she tried to collect child support I asked for DNA test to be done and found out that the baby wasn't mine. The key in both situations were the women abused there power for selfish gain. I agree they should make the women who do this financially responsible. Hope to see changes in the near future .

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:34 pm PDT

Sad Sad story........

This is a very sad story and I don't think its that cut and dry.  I think the mother should be punished financially and criminally. Maybe a month in jail will wipe that snide smirk off of her face.  Although it may not be morally right, why should this man have to pay this mother money for a child that isn't his. You and I both know that the money doesn't go to the child it goes to the parent to use how he/she sees fit.  She should have to pay him back. Not the other way around.  Now, putting that aside morally this guy made a real bad decision.  He was hurt yeah, he was stunned yeah, but that child was hurt even more.   He handled it very badly and scarred this child as a result.  I understand his hurt but it does seem as though he is trying to make up for it.   Everyone else made bad decisions concerning this case, why should he be any different. He was wrong but he is trying to make up for it. Thats why this is such a sad story.   The way he handled this is morally wrong but why should this mother benefit financially for lieing?  She is scum and deserves nothing and should be punished. 30 days in jail will take that smirk right off her face..
 
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