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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 8:47 pm PDT

Parent Trap

 

The mother of this child is solely responsible for this sad situation. If she had told the truth to begin with this child would not be going through all of this hurt today.  The father should not be held responsible for paying child support to this woman when he is not the child's father. 

 

The father handled it all wrong with the way he told the child and in the way he has been treating her, he knows that now and feels ashamed.  He must have been devastated to learn that his marriage had been a sham for all of those years, and anger and hurt can cloud anyone's emotions.  This father was not thinking straight. 

 

Now the wife, she knew what she had done from the very beginning, she sat there with a holier than thou look on her face, boy was she taken by surprise when the audience applauded for her ex.  She is a liar and a cheat and bears full responsibility for all the hurt this child is going through. She is a disgrace to womankind.

 

Gloria Allred had her own agenda as most lawyers do, but Carnell Smith soon put her in her place.  Mr. Smith fought his own paternity case and won, the guy knew what he was talking about.  I thought he was brilliant and was not intimidated by the mouth piece sitting next to him. 

 

Allred stated that the law says "That it makes no difference if a man has been lied too and cheated on, he still has to support any child born out of his partners adulteress affair".  The law is an ass as far as this type of situations goes, wonder who pushed to have such a law passed? 

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:47 pm PDT

EXACTLY!!

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well said. 

Everything you said was exactly right!

 

AMEN!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:48 pm PDT

ITS THE MOTHERS FAULT ...

AFTER WATCHIN THE SHOW  I WAS ASTONISHED  THE MOTHER LIED4 THAT LONG OF A TIME  I BELIEVE ALL THE PAIN & HURT HER DAUGHTERS GOIN THRU NOW IS DUE  2 HER MOTHERS BAD CHOICES HAVIN AN AFFAIR MARRIED CONCIEVING A BABY& LYING  2 HER CHILD & HER HUSBAND IS 100% HER  FAULT AS OF THE HUSBAND  HIS CHOICE 2 LEAVE THE  KID BEHIND ISUNGODLY IN MY OPINION BUT THE MOTHER IS @ FAULT & SHES GOT HER NERVE 2 EVEN TRY & ASK 4 MONEY  THERE SHOULD BE SUM LAWS WHEN THIS HAPPENS THAT THE FATHERS CAN SUE & GET REIMBURSED SHE HID THE FACTS SHE LIED CHEATED GOT PREGNANT SO SHE CAN ONLY BLAME HERSELF...MY BLESSINGS 2 THE  CHILDREN & WISH THEM THE BEST OF LUCK.....DIDICATED   DRPHIL WATCHER  BARBARA  SPRING HILL FLA..
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:48 pm PDT

Are you Kidding me

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The real villian, in my opinion is Enriques new wife.  Absolutely, she raised this whole issue so he would  pay less child support to improve her own financial situation.  How dare she come in and say that the one daughter doesn't look like him.  What if she had been wrong?  Did she ever think of that?  Sure the 1st wife was wrong not divulging this deception but we don't know their situation at that time.  Maybe she simply made a bad judgement 10 years prior.  Maybe she really wasn't sure, so why bring it up if he isn't suspicious?  The poor daughter must have felt terrible and alone.  I am from a divorced family and even when your real Dad leaves, you think it's your fault.  I know of a family situation close to me, in which a 2nd husband joined a Mother & son.  They then had 3 boys of their own but when this 2nd marriage didn't work out, he was forced to pay child support to the one boy who wasn't his, as well.  The judge felt that he had acted as a Father figure for a long-enough period and "how dare he" keep the 4th child from receiving any financial aid, simply because he's now out of the picture.  I would say the same thing applies here. 

I can't believe you would think the villain could ever be Enrique’s new wife. It’s Maria’s fault and no one else. She made a mistake (who doesn’t) but did she fess up and tell her husband that this baby could be some other man’s child. No she kept it a secret and ultimately caused her daughter all this pain. Enrique had to find out by a DNA test that, luckily his new wife brought up.

If she was wrong then he would have never had to tell Maria's daughter, but that wasn’t the case. Maria lied and she should be the ONLY one to be blamed. She is a poor excuse for a woman, wife, and mother.

Maria is just mad at Mia because she got caught in a HUGE LIE!! And she will not be getting all that money.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:49 pm PDT

right

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Hi again Mia. There is a post to you that was posted on my first post to you from Dr. Phil Website member stepmomto1... I think that during our lives we all learn we aren't perfect and can only do the best we can do and, hopefully, learn from our mistakes. Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath that I think includes "To first do no harm." Perhaps, that's an oath we should all take for how we treat our families and friends and people in general. Dr. Phil says that "There is no reality and only perception". When lucky, our perception is on the same page as everyone else's. Sometimes we can get ahead of everyone else...some times it takes awhile to catch up. I think you know what I mean. God Bless You and Enrique and Selina and all dealing with the healing from Maria's lie...including Maria...one day at a time... Sincerely, SEA

Painting Forgiveness
by: SEA

We sketch out a plan
Painting out our moments
To create a beautiful day
Of various events

At the end of each day
We step back to admire
To see if a masterpiece
Or did circumstances mire

That's why God created
Moments and minutes and hours
Of days that turn into years
And forgiveness that empowers

For nobody is perfect
Yet here we all are once again
With a clean canvas
As I paint thank you and Amen

     you prayed forgive me for not taking your word on that but that is between you and God. frist of all let God deal with the sin NOT YOU !!! The way you conducted your self on the show did not bring to mind a christian. But a smug woman whos " better judgement " did more harm than good. Also sorry if I don't buy the med. reason its not more inportant than the emoitional well being of a child at this time, or could have been handled in a better way. And just let me know was he hurting thinking this child was his. Because now he is and so is that child. So please forgive me if I don't believe the answer came from GOD. It doesn't feel right in my soul. God is the only true judge
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:49 pm PDT

WOW!!

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Dr. Phil and all I am angry,

My husband and I are going through the exact same thing. There is a woman who claimed to have his child 16 years ago. He found out aboout it 8 years ago when he was arrested for a child support warrant. He was declaired the father by default. He has NEVER signed the birth certificate, He has NEVER been in the childs life at all. His license had been suspended and he has lost his job before due to failure to pay child support. We have had our taxes taken, we have spent money on lawyers and have requested appeal after appeal. All with no avail. He has always maintained that this boy was not his child. The mother  of the child finally agreed to a DNA test at an independent lab. Sure enough the child was not his. We then filed a new appeal based on the new evidence and again we were denided. All the mother has to do is go to Juvenile court and stop this order. She refuses. She is getting free money  from a man that has a real family with his real children  and she does not care. I am angry, mad , pissed off and frustrated. Her son hates her for lying to him all his life. She made him think that my husband was his father and that he didn't  want anything to do with him. The boy has called our house and begged to live with us and would ask to speak to our children etc. beforfe the DNA test. The system does not hold women accountable. All the state cares about is recooping funds for walfare from men that have nothing to do with it. We need a better system. I get upset everytime i think about what we have been through because a heartless  lier. All that boy wanted was a father and his mother took that away from him with her lies.

What happened to you is terrible!

 

I agree with what you said 100%

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:51 pm PDT

For Mia, You're a brave woman!

YOU MUST KNOW THAT YOU KNEW YOU WOULD BE UP FOR CRITICISM BUT YOU STILL DID THE RIGHT THING IN THE LONG RUN.  MY FIANCE IS RIGHT NOW BATTLING WITH HIMSELF..TO DNA OR NOT TO DNA THAT IS THE QUESTION.  (THE SHOW REALLY PUT A SPOTLIGHT ON A NASTY REALITY.) IT IS A TERRIBLE DECISION TO MAKE, BUT A NECESSARY ONE.  LOOK ALL THOSE WHO HAVE NAY SAYED YOU.....DONT WORRY.  THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS LIKE TO SEE A PERSON SLOWING BEING RIPPED APART.  I CANT BE CONVINCED THAT SERENA WOULD NOT HAVE EVENTUALLY QUESTIONED HER LOOKS ALSO (MY 11 YEAR OLD STEP DAUGHTER QUESTIONS HERS, EVEN GOING SO FAR AS TO SAY SHE IS ADOPTED, OR THE MILK MANS). YES I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR SERENA ALSO...IT IS A HORRIBLE SITUATION.  BUT KEEPING A LIE OR A UNTRUTH HIDDEN AWAY FOR THE SAKE OF CHILDREN IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.  I DO THINK THE WAY YOUR HUSBAND TOLD HIS "DAUGHTER" WAS WELL, A BAD IDEA...BUT THE TRUTH MUST COME OUT. 

 

AT THE END OF THE DAY IT IS ABOUT THE MONEY.  MARIA, WHAT EVER HER NAME WAS, WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM IF SHE WAS NOT AFRIAD SHE WOULD LOSE THE CHILD SUPPORT.  SHE KEPT HER MOUTH SHUT KNOWING FULL WELL FOR YEARS THAT WAS NOT HIS KID...HE'S A DOCTOR RIGHT.....AND I SAY LET THE NEW PERFECT STEP DAD ADOPT HER......AND BY THE WAY.....I ALSO CANNOT BE CONVINCED THAT MARIA DOES NOT KNOW WHERE THE REAL DADDY IS.  SHE KNOWS.....JUST BY HER COUNTENANCE, WELL A CONVINCING LIAR SHE DOES NOT MAKE.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:51 pm PDT

Men do have the right

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Women have the right to ask for DNA to prove who fathered the child so why can't a man request the same procedure?  No one should be expected to pay child support for a child that is not theirs.  I also think the mother should be held legally responsible if she knows the child is not her husbands/boyfriends and lies to the courts about it.  It is about time that the rights of the mother and father be equal and that we throw out this anitquated theory favoring women in divorce.  I feel sorry for the child who finds out that his father really isn't his father and that his mother has been lying to him/her.  People do not realize the damage they do to children with their selfish acts.  If we insist that the man pay child support for a child that is not his we are giving the real father a free pass on his responsibilities and telling the mother what she did was acceptable. 

to a paternity test but in cases of mariage, or where an acknowledgement of paternity have already taken place, the man has fewer rights.

 

Some states have a presumtive father registry. Men who think they might be the father of an unborn child need to sign up for it, that way their rights are more protected.

 

Women though need to be held accountable for their actions. So many don't even think of the child, they just want that child support check.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:52 pm PDT

un fair laws

I don't care what the law says. It is biased and unfair to the man when he has been decieved and expected to pay for something he had  no part in. when are they going to penalize these women for what they do.

If you lie about rape, on the stand , work, ETC.. you are going to pay the price for lying not got get a check for being decietful. The whole legal system needs to balance that so called scales of justice and make it fair across the board.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:52 pm PDT

Disgusting Heartless Adults

I think all three adults in this situation are heartless and shameless.  If I had loved and raised a child for 10 years, she would be MY child regardless of any situation, and I would fight like a tiger anyone who would be cruel and heartless enough to even SUGGEST that she was not my child for whatever reason!!  I would do anything to protect her from the heartless, inhuman, selfish and cruel treatment that this beautiful child has been subjected too.  There is no law, no amount of money, NOTHING that can ever undo the hurt.  There is no punishment for any of the three adults that would be painful enough  that would even give them a clue as to what they have done.  There is no fix.  For sure there is a higher power that loves this child enough to give her the strength and ability to survive this whole big mess.  Thank goodness for the resilience of youth and good people like Dr. Phil who care about the child.  My heart and love go out to her, and SHAME, SHAME, SHAME, on the adults in her life.  None of them deserve to be her parents.  I didn't feel any of them caring for her at all!!!
 
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