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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 8:52 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Quote From: buildergirlie

I can't believe you would think the villain could ever be Enriques new wife. Its Marias fault and no one else. She made a mistake (who doesnt) but did she fess up and tell her husband that this baby could be some other mans child. No she kept it a secret and ultimately caused her daughter all this pain. Enrique had to find out by a DNA test that, luckily his new wife brought up.

If she was wrong then he would have never had to tell Maria's daughter, but that wasnt the case. Maria lied and she should be the ONLY one to be blamed. She is a poor excuse for a woman, wife, and mother.

Maria is just mad at Mia because she got caught in a HUGE LIE!! And she will not be getting all that money.

I agree with you, but, I would change the word "mistake", with CHOICE !  She did this on pupose ! Your post was well written , and you had very good points !
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:53 pm PDT

unacceptable

women totally have the upperhand and it just isnt right.  If the childs interest was the most important thing, then money should never be the main issue. this women should go to jail for fraud, bottom line!.  women have complete control over this and it is unacceptable.  there have been times when a couple gets pregnant and she wants an abortion and he doesnt want her to have one, the woment has all the rights to bring this child into the world or not, the man has no say even if he desperatly wants the baby he created.  if the women has this right to end motherhood, then why shouldnt a man be able to step aside from paying for a child he didnt create?  i do wish he would have stepped up and still had been a father to this child emotionally.  im sure he would have helped THE CHILD out at times finacially but he should never have to be forced by the courts to give the mother any money.  its time to let the women in these situations be held responsible.  there are women out there who dont have a clue who the father of there child is, they have several men tested and when she finally finds the right one, years later, she expects him to pay back child support and he gets labled a dead-beat dad despite him never even knowing he got her pregnant.
 

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October 29, 2007, 8:54 pm PDT

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Abstinence before marriage, complete monogamy after. Der.

You gotta admit, God really has a point here.

Think of all the problems that would be avoided.

I think it's rediculous that I am required to take all kinds of blood tests every time I have a baby. HIV, Hepatitis, etc...even though my husband and  I don't have any kind of risky behaviors. But still we have to pay for the tests. We've had three kids. We get totally annoyed by this.

Am I alone? Gosh I hope not.

 

 

 

You are alone if you believe that neither you nor your husband are human beings who can fall prey to temptation.  We are all imperfect.  Doesn't your God tell you that, too?  Do you think your husband is a perfect being?  How about you?  Or do you think that Christians/Jews/religious people never engage in extramarital affairs?  I believe the numbers speak for themselves...
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:55 pm PDT

Father and Daughter are the victim

There are no winners here, but the mother. She seemed to be gloating that she pulled one over her ex husband.

 

The father was wrong on how he handled it, I agree. He was just in shock, and did the first thing that came to his mind out of anger. That doesn't give him the right do do what he did, but give the guy some understanding.

 

The daughter is in shock and numbed as now she has been abandoned. Mark my word, that when Selena gets older, she is going to look at her mother and have no respect, as she will face the reality that both her father and herself are the true victims with her mother's cruel game.

 

The mother is the winner here. She saw her meal ticket, and is going to continue to use it. She seemed to be gloating from her chair, over the fact that her ex husband is stuck with his child support.

 

I think that there should be consequences for falsifying documents and paternity. She knew who she went to bed with, and I think she knew when she was pregnant who the real father was. She is just protecting herself, in hopes that some naive people will believe her.

 

I believe that the courts should look at the reality that the birth mother had deceived the father for paternity. She will need to repay the father for the child support she had forced onto him, and allow the visits with the father if both father and daughter agrees. The way it is now, the mother is in a win win situation, and no penalty for her actions.

 

Ms. Allred is so concerned over the lack of child support from the real fathers, and the mother and child being forced on welfare, well, maybe she should apply more time and effort on fixing the laws on the dead beat parent.

 

I see that some parents, who pay little or no child support, yet will make sure they get their visitation, or create mayhem in the custodial parents life for revenge. Yet if the custodial parent, doesn't provide for the needs for the child who lives with them could face legal or CPS charges. I think that if a non custodial parent does not meet the obligation of making their child support (those who are in great arrears) should be placed with charges of child abandonment, and could face the possibility of losing parental rights to that child.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:56 pm PDT

You said it best!!

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You are 100% right.  I'm very disappointed with Dr. Phil having brought that loud mouthed money hungry lawyer on the show.  There were two real victims here and not enough emphasis was put on that.  I know how hard adultary can be, how devastating and how it can destroy someones life. He should have made a better choice about continuing to see the child and  Dr. Phil should have offered the father and daughter some type of counsdeling to try and repair the damage, yet he offered nothing.  Dr. Phil, I know your an advocate for children and for women but when wmoen are wrong, they shouldn't be made out to be some great mother.

I was so angry that Dr. Phil let Gloria plow over Enrique and Carnell.  And then promote her book that approves this type of behaivor!!!!!  C'mon Dr. Phil  you lost me on this one!!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:56 pm PDT

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YOU MUST KNOW THAT YOU KNEW YOU WOULD BE UP FOR CRITICISM BUT YOU STILL DID THE RIGHT THING IN THE LONG RUN.  MY FIANCE IS RIGHT NOW BATTLING WITH HIMSELF..TO DNA OR NOT TO DNA THAT IS THE QUESTION.  (THE SHOW REALLY PUT A SPOTLIGHT ON A NASTY REALITY.) IT IS A TERRIBLE DECISION TO MAKE, BUT A NECESSARY ONE.  LOOK ALL THOSE WHO HAVE NAY SAYED YOU.....DONT WORRY.  THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS LIKE TO SEE A PERSON SLOWING BEING RIPPED APART.  I CANT BE CONVINCED THAT SERENA WOULD NOT HAVE EVENTUALLY QUESTIONED HER LOOKS ALSO (MY 11 YEAR OLD STEP DAUGHTER QUESTIONS HERS, EVEN GOING SO FAR AS TO SAY SHE IS ADOPTED, OR THE MILK MANS). YES I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR SERENA ALSO...IT IS A HORRIBLE SITUATION.  BUT KEEPING A LIE OR A UNTRUTH HIDDEN AWAY FOR THE SAKE OF CHILDREN IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.  I DO THINK THE WAY YOUR HUSBAND TOLD HIS "DAUGHTER" WAS WELL, A BAD IDEA...BUT THE TRUTH MUST COME OUT. 

 

AT THE END OF THE DAY IT IS ABOUT THE MONEY.  MARIA, WHAT EVER HER NAME WAS, WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM IF SHE WAS NOT AFRIAD SHE WOULD LOSE THE CHILD SUPPORT.  SHE KEPT HER MOUTH SHUT KNOWING FULL WELL FOR YEARS THAT WAS NOT HIS KID...HE'S A DOCTOR RIGHT.....AND I SAY LET THE NEW PERFECT STEP DAD ADOPT HER......AND BY THE WAY.....I ALSO CANNOT BE CONVINCED THAT MARIA DOES NOT KNOW WHERE THE REAL DADDY IS.  SHE KNOWS.....JUST BY HER COUNTENANCE, WELL A CONVINCING LIAR SHE DOES NOT MAKE.

 

 

WELL SAID !!!!!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:56 pm PDT

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 As a retired child support officer in California, it appears the judge considered Enrique to be Selina's presumptive father in spite of the DNA test. The judge has every right to do that. After that length of time it isn't about what's best for Mom or "Dad", it's about what's best for Selina, which is what it should be and what it should have always been about. The judge obviously made the determination that continuation of the parent-child relationship between Enrique and Selina is what was best for Selina. Enrique should have left it at that and his current wife needs to stay where she belongs, out of it.

My husband and I have been dealing with the California child support services in regards to custody and support of my step-daughter and let me tell you, we have had more problems and heard more horror stories about California child support services than anywhere else. My friends husband is being held responsible for paying thousands of dollars to the state of California because his ex committed welfare fraud, collecting from two different states. It was proven and she was found guilty yet he has to pay the bill. Enrique should not have to pay child support when it ia quite obvious he was betrayed. He should not have turned his back on her and he should have continued a relationship but that mother knew what she was doing and is obviously greedy. I can't believe a judge would make a man pay for a child that's not his or make someone pay for another person's crimes. I feel bad for men because I have seen my fair share who have been made to pay huge amounts of child support and then never get to see their child or later find out it's not theirs. What a messed up system ,especially in California!
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:57 pm PDT

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I just can't contain my objection to attorney Gloria Alred's opinion that the man who is not the father should continue paying.  It is thoroughly disgusting that any court would ask a man to pay for a child that is not his, we have enough "dead beat" dads as it is, let alone make someone who is not the father pay.  If he wants to continue to pay that is up to him, but he should not be forced to do it,  it should be his decision  to pay or not.  The mother should go after the real father and if this man has paid he should be able to sue the real father and get his money back, only if he wants to do it.  If the mother does not know who the real father is, well that's too bad, if she has any idea at all a DNA test should show that, and go after the real Dad.  Also I am sure that the child would certainly want to know who his or her real father is, for medical reasons if nothing else or maybe to at least have the chance for the real father and child to know each other.  Thanks for letting me share my opinion with you.
You so aced this one. My wife and I agree G. Allred was totally WRONG, and that we have lost alot of respect for her. Also I want to add that before the court system emposes Any order for a father to pay child support 1. Have the the father take a court ordered DNA test. . 2. I just think that the govt. is just fine with having ANYMAN pay the family support just so THEY (govt) doesn't have to pay these people welfare. So sad . 3. I think any man ordered to pay child support who later finds out that he was DECEIVED to SHOULD get back the monies from the courts that ordered HIM to pay. Then I think the court sys. would ensure that the MAN was trully the biological father. This is a SCAM.............
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:58 pm PDT

what a joke!!

i do not see how in the world a court can demand someone pay child support for  a child  that is not their's. my blood was boiling by the end of the show! i have seen sevaral women do it, and get away with it. if they pressed the issue maybe it would put a stop to it! why should he be punished for trusting his wife? if she is really concerned with her daughters feelings she would have confessed from the birth, or when the truth did come out at least encourage them to continue the relationship and find the real father for the child support. and the whole show his ex wife had  nothing really to say except "you should pay" and in the clips it  just showed her laughing as if to say " too bad" i think money  is her first concern. she seemed very rude and errogant, and tried to push the blame on him as if he was the one to force her to cheat and hide it. wow what a joke! whew now i feel better
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:58 pm PDT

Women can be Evil

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Fathers are more than a checkbook.  I don't think he should have to pay if he isn't the biological father - especially since he's been lied to this whole time.  HOWEVER, if he's raised this child and is the Dad that the child knows - I would assume there is love between the two of them.  That relationship should continue. 

 

Biology has less to do with parenthood than love, trust, teaching and caring that comes from that relationship.  "Anyone can be a father - but it takes someone special to be a Dad"

 

Just my 2 cents.

I am a woman and but I have to defend that father in some areas.  First, I will say that the only blame I would place on him is how he chose to tell the child.  After all, she is a child, but I can understand that he allowed the bitterness toward his ex to get the better of him and consequently, he never thought about the child's feelings and the devastation it would have on her.

 

The ex wife was very deceitful.  She would never expect her husband to say, "I'm happy we are pregnant, but by the way is it mine"?  I believe that because the child has a bond with this man as her father, he should still be allowed to have that relationship if and when the child feels comfortable, but he should not be bound by any law to continue paying when DNA proved that this was not his child, he was deceived and he did not formally agree to being the child's father even he found out that she was not his.  The woman should be made to reimburse him every penny for her deception.  It's no better than someone cheating another person out of their property.  If the father knew this child was not his and still agreed to participate in this child's life as if she was his own, then he is totally obligated to continue with child support etc. 

 

Gloria Allred is just like a BULL DOG.  She should shut up.  She wants to blame this man, what about the biological father.  No one though about the emotional stress it might have had on this man when he found out that this child he believed was his turned out to be someone else's, and that his wife  was cheating on him.  That's why he made such a irrational decision to tell the child.  That's the only thing I disagree with him in his behavior.  Why isn't the biological father contacted to take financial responsibility for his daughter, or maybe the woman is not certain who the daddy really is?  Suppose later there is a rear condition and the biological father is the only person who could help?

 

It's women like those why descent women like me are not able to find great men.

 
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