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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 9:14 pm PDT

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The big mistake he did is that he decided to cut off his visitation...but i dont think its fair for him to cont. pay child support with courts' order   .He can still voluntarily continue his relationship ( financially or any kind of support ) to his non biological daughter without courts order. For me court laws are made by humans which pertains to legat issues , so why would you pay for the messed or sin caused by others?never support lies!!!!But in this case we are dealing with relationships, so he should continue to function as it is and support voluntarily with all his heart without courts order. With courts order you are forced to do it which to me is not right!

 

As long as theres a smooth transition and well explained to the child then it should be fine..Hopefully the child will eventually forgive and have open communication with her non-bio father..

 

It is sad to say that  family laws are not fair! it always in favors to the mother!!!!Law makers should need to re-assessed the laws and do something to prevent parent trap because this is a serious injury!!PLsssssssss...

 

In fairness, i dont like the mothers' facial expression, she seemed like shes doing right  thing and blaming all these to the father! Plss. whatever your name is.. I think it is your big responsibility to explain this to your daughter!!!!! YOU HAVE  A LOT OF WORK  TO DO!!!STOP SMILING ON THE CAMERA AND SEEMED LIKE
BLAMING THIS TO THE NON-BIO FATHER...PLSSSSSSSSS FIX THIS MESS.

 

 

 

 

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October 29, 2007, 9:14 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I can't believe that lady is  lawyer. I feel for those fathers that where trapped. I am a mother of three. I had thought that my ex husband was my oldest child father. We did have doubts but HE choose not to get tested. We have seperated after six years and with paturnity test, he was not. I did not want him paying for her. That is not his financial responsability. He doesn't treat her different, his family still treats her as their own. I've even located her father HE pays. I even asked the court for him not to be accoutable for those six years of nonpayment because he didn't know. Maybe some of these mothers who knowingly fraud the system should back pay the child support to the dads they frauded, maybe that will stop some of the fraud

You're a wise, honest, and fair woman.  God bless you and your daughter, also your ex and his family--he and they are not making her pay for your mistake.  Your daughter will be fine--she knows the truth and that she's loved.

 

I know someone who has a "niece" who is not by birth, though the family thought so.  The parents were not married, so that complication didn't exist.  The family accepted the child as a baby, but for some reason a DNA test was done at age 4 which revealed that the child was not the relative's child. His family continued to love and care for this child, who is now 12, even providing for private school, camp, weekend visits and vacations.  She was told the truth at some point, but is very bonded with the family and realizes that she is loved by them.  Surely all of this builds her self-esteem.  In fact, one of the relatives has custody of her now.  Apparently the mother is dysfunctional or something, maybe she's incarcerated.  I don't know about the birt- father situation.

 

This is true and unusual love--this family not only love this child, but continue to provide financial support for 7 or 8 years after the DNA test.  This is true love, putting the child first ...

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:15 pm PDT

What the heck!!!

OMG.  I am absolutely stunned with the reactions of the audience and the position of Dr. Phil.  First and foremost, the only person responsible for this situation was the ex-wife.  If she had not cheated on her husband, the incident in the park would have never had to happen.  Sure Enrique could have handled it better, but he owes Selena NOTHING!!!  Enrique was deceived, manipulated and played a fool for 10 years, 11 years if you count the time of conception.  Like I said, Enrique owes Salena nothing.  Sadly Salena will pay for her mothers sin.  This is not Enriques fault.  Adult or not, imagine finding out the life you had been living was a lie.  Imagine finding out that your wife is trash and the girl you thought was your daughter belongs to someone else.  Imagine the realization of finding out you've been made a fool for 10 years.  Dr. Phil, why should Enrique pay for Maria's sin.  All the pain and devastation that Salena will endure is because of her MOTHER! 

 

I have 4 children.  I NEVER cheated on my husband.  I can't begin to imagine the mind of a woman who knowingly sleeps with other men, has unprotected sex and then comes home to her husband, business as usual.  She has serious problems and because of her, Salena now does too.

 

By-the-way, what's up with Maria laughing through the whole show?  She didn't even seemed phased until the "new" wife pointed out her behavior.  Than she was oh-so serious.  What a crock!

 

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October 29, 2007, 9:15 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I have mixed feelings about this whole case.  Taking the Law (Family Law) out of this situation, I think that it is morally and ethically wrong for any woman to place that kind of responsibility on any man that is not the responsible party. 

 

However, I think women should be held reponsible for this wrong-doing if it was willfully and knowingly done.  Every dime of child support should be paid back.  Her wrongful actions should also be punishable by law because it is a crime.  It robs the child, father, and whole family.

 

On the ohter hand, I also feel that the child's best interest should be consider and that the relationship of the two should continue if both parties (child and dad) mutally agrees to do so.  If and only if,  the "dad" so chooses, he could continue to financially support the child.  Even if he elects to put a descretionary amount of money in an account for the child until the child reaches the age of maturity.  This should not be a court order.

 

I think that in a case like this, all parties should be court ordered to attend some sort of group sessions/therapy.  The classes/sessions should consist of teaching the children that the actions of the mother is morally wrong and how they can avoid making these kinds of mistakes when they becoome adults.  You know, a class on honesty and integrity??? - that there is a consequence to every action and a reaction to every action....

 

It's very sad to say, but maybe paternity tests should be given at birth to avoid this from happening in the future! 

 

 

 

It's people like your son that make me feel better about our world today.  It is never about the donner it's about the person that wasnt asked to be here.  If everyone in this world wasn't so worried about money and pride life would be good for all

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:15 pm PDT

Alternative thought

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YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I FIND FUNNY IF MY HUSBAND WANTED A PATERNITY TEST DONE TO SEE IF MY SON IS HIS OR NOT  I WOULD LET HIM BUT MAN I'D BE PISSED AND YOU'D BET I'D NEVER TRUST HIM FULLY AGAIN IF HE CAN'T TRUST ME THEN WHAT HAS HE DONE.   SO IN THIS SITUATION THE WOMAN EVEN SAID THEY'RE RELATIONSHIP HAD ALREADY HAD ITS PROBLEMS SO HE IS EXPECTED TO ASK HIS WIFE WHOM HE'S SUPPOSED TO TRUST WITH HIS WHOLE HEART FOR A PATERNITY TEST EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE STILL MARRIED AND TRYING TO HAVE A NORMAL RELATIONSHIP..... YEAH THAT WOULD HAVE WENT OVER WELL ESPECIALLY IF SHE NEVER DID CHEAT ON HIM.  SO THE MAN IS GOING TO HAVE A HORRIBLE MARRIAGE AND POSSIBLY DIVORCE LATER ON BECAUSE HE DIDN'T TRUST HIS WIFE.... OR.... IF HE DOESN'T ASK AND GOD FORBIDS THEY STILL GET A DIVORCE LATER ON HE WILL BE PAYING FOR A CHILD NOT HIS OWN...... SOUNDS LIKE MEN ARE GETTING SCREWED ALL THE WAY AROUND
If my wife asked me to take a lie detector test to see if I had been cheating on her in our marriage. I would not hesitate to comply and I would not be angry or distrudtful of her. So why should you be upset if your husband/boyfriend asks you for a DNA test. Trust needs to be earned. Because in this day and age there is a lot of deceit going on. Ever watch the TV show "Cheaters"? By the way we have been married 46 years with 6 children and 30 grandchildren and 2 great grandchildren..
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:15 pm PDT

Common Sense

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Fathers are more than a checkbook.  I don't think he should have to pay if he isn't the biological father - especially since he's been lied to this whole time.  HOWEVER, if he's raised this child and is the Dad that the child knows - I would assume there is love between the two of them.  That relationship should continue. 

 

Biology has less to do with parenthood than love, trust, teaching and caring that comes from that relationship.  "Anyone can be a father - but it takes someone special to be a Dad"

 

Just my 2 cents.

First - Gloria Allred is ridiculous!  I've never seen her make such a fool of herself! However, would probably want her on my side if I needed an attorney.  

The solution is simple.  Yes...the mother lied & started the whole problem.  The dad should not be required by law to provide child support for a child that isn't biologically his & the mother should try to locate the real dad & have him pay.  However, another avenue would be for the victimized dad in this case to pay to a trust fund or college fund or something, so that the money actually goes to the child & not the mother.  The dad should obviously continue taking care of the child emotionally, regardless of what the money situation is.  If the court still holds him responsible, then he fights w/ them, not take it out on the child.  The child should be completely unaware that there are money issues even being discussed.  It has no relevance (or shouldn't) to the child/father relationship.  This is really a no-brainer - even too simple to be on the Dr. Phil show (although I think he handled it well).  Didn't catch that guy's name that got the bill passed in GA but hip hip hurray for him!  He was the star of the show & the only one that made any real sense.  I'm a mother & can't fathom doing what that mother did - Crazy!  It all comes out in the wash.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:15 pm PDT

parent trap or parent responsibility

  I truly believe that enrique was sorry for the last three years. And maybe he didnt understand how all of this was going to affect a 10 yr-old.  Does the mother know who the father is or was he a one night stand she did not even get the name of? I do think women who play around with different sex partners should be a lot more careful. My nephew married a woman that was pregnant and knew the baby was not his,but he raised her for three years as his. Then on her third birthday, she had had a DNA testwithout him knowing it of the two guys that were possibilities. And announced in the paper for her third birthday who her parents and grandparents. and the father and grandparents she had had for three years were missing.That broke a lot of hearts even the little girl that loved her DADDY a lot. Who was so devistated when DADDY moved out that DADDY finally moved back home,where Daddy and child were torn apart every other weekend when she had to go to see daddy chris.A second daughter was born and low and behold after a DNA TEST that child was not his either.  But the biological Daddy did not want to be a weekend daddy and opted out of thier lives and let my nephew adopt her. And a little while later thier was another daughter was born but when she was young( 2-3 mos) they seperated and she moved in with another man.There was question of to the paternity of this child also but my nephew was never in her life so he did not persue the  DNA issue.So in one family you have three children that have questionable paternity and will probably have lots of issues in thier teenage years. Because a woman had her sexual pleasures when and with whom she pleased without thinking about any consequences , lets just let the innocent ones handle it. I am a woman, and I truly believe that women should be held accountable for the things that they do to thier children.I have a cousin that was married to two men and both of them fathered a child with her. But they were not married to her at the time of conception of thier children.Just as crazy.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:15 pm PDT

Absolutely!

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I had to tape the show today and just finished watching it. This is my first visit to the message boards and I was so angry I had to check in. I was sickened by the cockiness of Maria...smirks, head nods and finger pointing. How dare she think that Enrique should continue to pay child support?! I know that he took the wrong approach to telling his daughter the truth and could feel the pain in knowing the damage he has done to his "daughter". In closing, Dr. Phil made the comment that the child should come before money. I agree, but what is wrong with expecting the lying, deceiving mother to put her child's interest ahead of the money and not pursued the child support but encouraged a continued relationship between the daughter and father without the payment? I didn't see where the woman attorney added anything to the subject matter. She struck me as being a big mouth and had nothing of relevance to add to this situation. She really turned my stomach. Kudos to the man who is fighting the system. By the way, I am a woman, but believe every adult needs to accept responsibility for their actions. You want money for the child? Make sure you're getting it from the person responsible.
I feel the same way. Basically, I wrote the same thing in my response. I was livid because I had the same thing happen to a friend. That child is now an adult he took care of all this time and sent to college etc. It's not right. It's not fair.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:15 pm PDT

What Tangled Webs We Weave When We Start to Deceive

Its the same old story.  Adults doing wrong and the children pay for it.

 

Adultry should be taken a lot more seriously than it is.  When there are children involved its really bad.

 

Wether a child is conceived from an adultreous affair or not, children of the marriage suffer.  Irregardless if its the father or mother having the affair, it impacts the children when they learn of it.  God help the child who is the product of an adultreous affair.  They suffer the most. 

 

My heart goes out to Selina.  I truly believe that the entire mess should be laid at her mother's feet.  She led her daughter as well as Enrique to believe that Enrique was her biological father.  I know why the mother said nothing to her then husband.  He probably would have filed for divorce and taken full custody of the oldest daughter.  Don't know if he would have gone for custody of the youngest since the child was not his.  Only Enrique could answer that question.

 

I wonder if Selina will ask her mother who her real father is.  If it were me, I would want to know.

 

Well, I'll get off my soapbox now.  My parting wisdom for any man is this.  If you have ANY doubt that a child is yours or not, get a paternity test.  If the mother protests vehemetly, DEFINATELY GET THE TEST!!  And let the chips fall where they may!!!

 

Sincerely,

 

Barbara

 

 

 

 

 
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10/29 Parent Trap

Quote From: bttw819

I had to tape the show today and just finished watching it. This is my first visit to the message boards and I was so angry I had to check in. I was sickened by the cockiness of Maria...smirks, head nods and finger pointing. How dare she think that Enrique should continue to pay child support?! I know that he took the wrong approach to telling his daughter the truth and could feel the pain in knowing the damage he has done to his "daughter". In closing, Dr. Phil made the comment that the child should come before money. I agree, but what is wrong with expecting the lying, deceiving mother to put her child's interest ahead of the money and not pursued the child support but encouraged a continued relationship between the daughter and father without the payment? I didn't see where the woman attorney added anything to the subject matter. She struck me as being a big mouth and had nothing of relevance to add to this situation. She really turned my stomach. Kudos to the man who is fighting the system. By the way, I am a woman, but believe every adult needs to accept responsibility for their actions. You want money for the child? Make sure you're getting it from the person responsible.
i agree with you about the women lawyer.  she made no sense and then went completely off this case and said the reason behind this all was the millions of dead beat dads out there that deny their kids and send the moms into welfare.  that had nothing to with this man.  he loved this child and was not a dead beat dad.  and just because there are bad dads out there who deny their own children, that doesnt mean a man should be forced to pay for a kid that isnt his or that he was tricked into loving.   i cant believe Dr. Phil then tried to promote her book that had nothing to with the show
 
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