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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 9:51 pm PDT

parent trap

I agree that Enrique made a huge mistake in telling Selina like he did.  But I feel he showed true remorse and should be forgiven, he was hurt and made a bad call. But Maria knew from the get go and her actions should not go unpunished, she should be held accountable.  If I were Selina I would be upset with her. I feel Maria should have to reimburse Enrique for the money he invested. I pray Selina and Enrique can salvage their relastionship.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:52 pm PDT

PLease Help Us!

Funny thing this show tonight.   EXACTLY WHAT I WANT MY HUSBAND TO GET A BACKBONE AND FIGHT THIS PROBLEM....This topic was discussed about 1/2 before the show started between my husband and I.   I am married to a wonderful man who has 7 Years Clean & Sober.  We have been together for 9 years.  HE IS A VICTIM OF THIS CRIME!  He has been paying child support consistently for 7 years (since he has got his life together)  and get this   HE'S NEVER EVER MET THIS CHILD!!!!!  Back when he was 20 years old a girl took him to county court and swore he was the father and the first test came back NEGATIVE,  THEY DID ANOTHER TEST AND IT CAME BACK POSITIVE??  

There was another suspect as he had confronted my husband stating " he was the father "  when they had been incarcerated together.   It turns out he committed suicide but the court said he was deceased so there was nothing they could do there.  

 

 BEFORE THEY DID THE SECOND TEST THEY KNEW ABOUT THE OTHER ALLEGED FATHER BUT ONCE THEY FOUND OUT HE WAS DECEASED THEY ASKED FOR ANOTHER TEST WHICH CAME BACK POSITIVE.   I need some help understanding all of this........... He states there is nothing we can do due to the statue of limitations  WHICH  is 2 years.   Obviously at this time he was in no shape to conquer the law as the law was conquering him and his addiction.  This man has show wonderful growth and life in the last 6 years.  It hasn't been easy.  We have a 2 year old ourselves and only want to live our life.    This has effected our income at times.  I just wonder if this kid even knows about him??? hmmm

 

Is there a way to fight this?  I wish DR. Phil could help me.  Besides this he is a miracle. One of those 3% that make it out of the depths of this disease which in controlling our world. He is a true inspiration to many and hope one day he will find great success in his life as he sure deserves it.

 

Please advise Dr.Phil  -  I have no idea if your reading this but a celebrity such as yourself could help us. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:52 pm PDT

Get Real

 

   I was at the taping of this show, and watching it today brought back as lot of emotions, most of all anger.

 Yes Enriquie handled the situation horribly. But If you found out after 10 years that your wife had been lying to you the entire life of your child, How would you handle it? I hope I would handle it better than he did, but sometimes emotions overide common sense. Of everything that was discussed that day, I was most offended by that little witch in leather pants and the red jacket, Madeline Alredd. After seeing her posturing and dramatics, I remember all that is wrong with our legal system. She knows the law, and can spout legalities at the drop of a hat. The gentleman next to her could not quote the law the way she did, but everything he said was common sense. That is one of the biggest problems in our society, common sense is perverted by lawyers to the point that the common man cannot even pronounce, much less understand the legal terms that are thrown around by the Madeline Allreds of the world, And even if I live to be 100 I could not afford to retain a lawyer of her prominence. While this show was disturbing on many levels, the fact is that the wife caused the whole problem. And from everything  I heard and saw, she never even attempted to get supprt from the biological father. Why couldn't she get money from him, and let Enrique have a relationship with Selena. Who by the way seemed much more mature than any of the adults. I pay child support for a child who is not my Biological child, but I knew going in that he wasn't, and I always want to be his father. I love Dr Phil, and agree with almost everything he says and does to slap these people back to reality, But he said something at the end of this show that concurred with Madeline.

 he said that the child should always come before money concerns. While this is true for Dr Phil, Madeline Alredd, and all multi millionare's, After I pay my 1200 dollars per month child support, which I do willingly for 3 children that I love and will always support. I am left with about 2800 dollars per month to manage another life with. While I agree in principal with Dr Phil, I notice that people with more money than I could spend in 10 lifetimes, always seem to offer those pearls of wisdom much more freely than the guy working 2 jobs, driving a 1999 kia and eating mac and cheese 5 nights a week.

 

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October 29, 2007, 9:52 pm PDT

best for the child?

I think the "best for the child" argument loses something when non-parents become involved.  I would hate to find out that somebody else's child could take all of my money just because it was "best" for them.  Parents are not above the law just because they have a child who has grown accustomed to the lifestyle.  The mother should be held accountable for her crime, just as she would if she were embezzling funds from work, robbing banks, or (worst of all) stealing from a trusting individual. 

 

"What is best for the child" should not be the sole factor here because the child is not the only victim. The man unjustly paying support is a victim and should be protected from this fraud immediately.  He should have a choice on whether he wants to continue assuming the role of the father.  This may have financial impact on the child, just as it would if her mother went to prison or was not allowed to continue embezzling funds from work. 

 

While we wouldn't want to take away the mother's right to lie about her adulterous affair to "keep the family together", this was about money rather than family when they separated.  She knowingly took money from a man she knew was not the father.  She should have been obligated to tell the truth before cashing the first check. She should be responsible for finding the biological father if she wants to receive child support.  Only she knows the potential men who may be the father, and was aware of what she did and who she hurt from the beginning.

 

The child is being used to protect those who have knowingly done wrong.  Maybe it would be best to teach the child that people must take responsibility for their actions.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:53 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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what good came of this DNA test?  I know that the mother should be the soul owner of this one but really what good did this DNA test really do?  It ruined 2 lifes and on top of that he still has to pay her!

A man never knows who else a women he is with had intimate times with unless she is WOMEN enough to admit that upfront. Regardless of timing how can a women play GOD and determine for herself who fathered her child. That alone is the reason a DNA test is done. Only god can heal the hurt that these flat out lies causes.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:54 pm PDT

Dr. Phil didn't handle it right.

Dr. Phil allowed that poor man, Enrique, to get victimized yet again by Gloria Allred. Maria is DISGUSTING!! She gives all of us women a bad name! A man should NEVER have to pay child support for a child who is not biologically his and Maria should be sent to prison if she doesn't pay back Enrique every cent that he has paid in child support!!

 

In some cultures Maria would be executed for adultery. While I don't think THAT is right, in our culture a woman gets REWARDED financially for sleeping with a man and tricking him into thinking it's his child through child support. Enough is enough!!! Women have gotten way too much in child support for far too long now!!

 

My husband had to pay child support for 3 years for a child from his ex wife 7 years AFTER they got divorced that she had from a sperm bank!!! She claimed it as a "hardship" because he only had one child (their mutual daughter) while she had two children. This woman makes $300K plus a year as a nurse anesthetist and owns 3 homes in the Silicon Valley of California, one of the most expensive real estate markets in the U.S. So she has $3 Million in real estate, makes $300K/year or more, which is almost 3 times as much as our income, but we now have to pay her $2000/month in child support, which is hurting us financially very much.

 

WHY SHOULD WOMEN GET RICH JUST BECAUSE THEY GAVE BIRTH TO A BABY???? Child support should max out at $500-$700 per month. The Calif courts are SO unjustly against men, and I am very upset with Dr. Phil for taking what seemed to me a neutral stance on tonight's show when normally he is a just judge of character and speaks his mind very well. He should have reamed Maria far more than he did. She is a sorry excuse for a woman and a mother, and the case is that woman are getting rewarded for having a child with amounts that far exceed the actual cost of raising a child.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:54 pm PDT

Unfair Parent trap

I think this is very unfair to the Father ( who thought he was the father) to pay child support for a child that is not concieved from him . Women like this give us all a bad name. She lied and he has paid for a child that is not even his for all of these years. I fell she should have to pay him back all the child support he has paid. While he was married he supported the child, but it is not his after the divorce. I do think he handled the situation very badly. Understanding he was emotionaly upset he obviously was not thinking and handled the situation very poorly. I feel it would be very helpful for father and daughter to attend counceling. He chould have let her known from the begaining that he is always there for her and they still could have had a relationship and I am sure he would still support her (on his terms) which is the proper thing to do.  A lot of damage has been done and it is going to take a lot to repair it. The mother put everyone in a horrible situation and she is to blame and she needs to be held liable. She did a horrible thing and she needs to pay the consiquences. The Father already has in numerous ways. Shame on the Mother ( some kind of mother she is) the daughter needs to look at the entire situation.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:55 pm PDT

What about the ex-wife

I am appalled that Selena's mother could sit on stage with her smug look and not feel she had no responsibility toward her daughter to explain her part in this whole mess.  Yes, Enrique was hasty and used poor judgement in telling Selena he wasn't her biological father but worse than that was her mother's deceitfulness from the beginning.  And as for Gloria Allred, she really disappointed me tonight -- she really missed the whole point!!!  At least Enrique showed real emotion and regret for the way things turned out whereas Selena's mother continued to treat the whole show as if she had done nothing wrong!

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:55 pm PDT

same situation

I'm in the same situation but as the daughter. I found out 6 years ago that my so called father wasnt really my father. My whole family said it was true but when i confronted my mother about it she denied and blamed it on my aunt for talking bs. my mother thinks that when my grandfather dies that she should get whatever money he has left for my dad to her. but i will do everything i can to make sure that doesnt happen. I dont think any man put in that position should have to pay child support. i think that if you have had a long life ralationship with the child then you should sitll be a part of their life and not to let a dna test stand in the way of it. but its the mothers fault for not saying anything and shouldnt be able to get away with taking his money, she has to stand up now and face the consequences. i have confronted my so called biological dad but he didnt want anything to do with me(and we live in the same town, so we stillsee each other on the street) but i am done being angry. My dad is who i grew up knowing as my dad and always will be and i'm not going to let  dna stand in the way of it. But just some advice for mothers who are in this kind of situation, is to be honest with your husband/parnter and most of all be honest with your child. My mother and i have a horrible relationship and it all started with this selfish lie and to this day she has not admit it to me and makes me question everything she tells me.
 

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October 29, 2007, 9:55 pm PDT

Shame on you both!

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I think men in these circumstances should be able to sue these women for fraud. It's no different than someone misrepresenting themselves as an investor and then bilking innocent people of hard earned money. That's a crime punishable by jail and fines, as it should be for these women. No one can put a price on the emotional and mental stress their dishonesty causes but they should still be held liable legally. Women who've done this to men AND their children...SHAME ON YOU! Men who've gone through this...I'm terribly sorry and hope you can some day find peace.

I say shame on all three of you for the way you have handled this.  First, the wife (mother) of this young

girl.  You lied and deceived your husband.  You were totally wrong to have an affair outside your marriage.  I feel that no matter who or what the circumstances, you should end one relationship before you start another.  Tie up any loose ends before moving on.  But then you lied to your husband when you brought this new little one into the world.  He loved that child like his own.  When the marriage did eventually end, and he found out she wasn't his, he was hurt and rightfully so.   Then it became anger, and when his new wife got involved it just magnified everything.  When someone is hurt so deeply it becomes very difficult to see and think things through clearly and rationally.  His new wife should have thought about that child and the fact that she had been "his" for 10 years and encouraged him to keep the relationship with her whether he paid child support or not.   She knew he had these children and would be paying child support when she married him.   He could have then petitioned the court about whether he paid child support for her or not.  I think if it were not court order for him to pay and he kept the relationship with the child he would most likely be much more willing to and probably want to shower her with the things she needs and wanted.  What's wrong with her mother getting a job to support her "love child".  She seems to feel she is entitled to child support because he loved the child for 10 years.  Does he owe her (the mom) child support for this child more than she owed him the truth about the paternity of said child?    Perhaps if it discouraged this type of situation, maybe a man should be able to sue the woman for her deceit and emotional cruelty.  It works both ways folks! 

 
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