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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 10:52 pm PDT

Good Grief!!!!

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Dr Phil,

 

I just seen your show on Parent Trap 10-29-07, I wanted to write and share my story; again.  I have written you before, but not very much detail.  So I will try again.   I was a mother of four children, son, daughter and twins.  All born during the course of two marriages.  The first two came from the first marriage, when I separated from their father their was no questions of whom was the father, given the fact that the son whom was in a sense the mini version of the father, and the daughter the mini version of myself .   As I continue on with my life with two children in tow.  I was soon was  face raising children alone with no finincial support or father figure.  The Twins however; was a different story, I was seeing a man whom was married,  I was single.   I begin to see my then furture husband (currently divorced) whom at the time was living with another female.  I slept with both men with unprotected sex within weeks apart.  I soon became pregnant and unsure of the father.  Too my suprise I found out that I was pregnant with twins very soon.   I never told the married man that I was pregnant and the future ex-husband I told was the father! (he was aware that I was seeing another man that was married).  Single and a mother of two children already, I did not wish to have more children and no father to help with raising them.  So I approached my ex-husband with the option to pay half the cost of an abortion.  He refused stating he did not belive in abortion.  "A good guy"  having failed at my first marriage and face with raising two children on my own.  I insisted that if I was to have the twins they were not goint to be born out of wedlock.  So we got married, fast forward 8 years and two separations later. I sat down with my 2nd ex-husband and explain that I did not want to be married and that coming back was a mistake.  I also explained that I was not sure if he was infact the father of the twins, He promptly told me to leave and I could take the two older children with me then he stated that infact I should take all the kids.  I left the twins there and left with two.   At this time I first realized that I really did not want none of the children.   I begin to do some research on termination of parental rights (curosity  mostly; due to the abandonment of my first ex-husband to the first two children) and became interested in what methods/circumstances a mother could terminate her rights.  What I found out is that this is mostly normally done through state agency's, confinment-jail/prison, drug use, abuse/neglect, mentally unstable, adoption and finally criminal charges.  Since the children were african american, and older (not infants/toddlers) adoption was not going to happen-atlease not as quick as I would want it to and for all four.  No chance I would fall into any of the other categorys; however, I did have some bad check charges-criminal charges having been filed already.  Next there was the money issue-how was this going to be paid!!  On one night, I was successful in obtaining my goal, by accident of course and never planned.  I managed to get myself in full complete trouble with the law.  I was charged with tresspassing into the home I once shared with my ex-husband (no property settlement done-during the course of the divorce) and property damage, having spent the entire month of December to include x-mass in jail.  (which is nothing more to do but think about your life and actions) When I was release to supervised probation and 3 yrs of mental couseling.  I promptly filed for termination of parental rights to all children and bankruptcy,  went to my first session of mental couseling and recieved my "good bill of mental health statement" .  All this was done before my first appointment with the probation officier,  having provided documentation of my recent actions.  I was realease from 3 years of supervised probation.  My ex-husband was quick to inform my family of my actions and they rallied behind him in regards to the children.  As correctly so.  They work together to arrange to have two of the children sent to them to take care of.  Since I did not wish to have contact with the children and wanted the children to be raised together and not with my family.  I notified the children welfare office and the local DA office, inform them of the termination of parental rights and the fact that the children were a ward of the state were my ex lived.  The children were returned to my ex-husband.   As I always knew "He was a good guy" he is currently raising all four children.  When people ask the question "do you have children, I say the truth; I do not have children and that was by choice.  How is this working for me.  I am happy, no regrets.  It was in the best interest of the children.   It simply was not for me.  You may wonder why I wrote you this.  Because my ex-husband is currently living in a legal parent trap. 

 

Curlie

California

You should be ashamed of yourself!  Bringing children into this world and throwing them away because you were too selfish to take responsibility for your actions.  KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED and you won't get pregnant!!!!  Get yourself fixed so that no other child will have to be brought into this world just to find out that their mother has thrown them away like she did the other 4 children she had.
 
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October 29, 2007, 10:52 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Carnell you have done more damage to women everywhere trying to get what they need to raise their children.  Paternity fraud is no where near the crime that DEADBEAT dads are.  Shame on you for thinking a couple dudes paying for kids is such an issue--if your out running like a dog I am sure you got a baby out there somewhere-go ahead and pay for one and hope someone else pays for yours.

Maybe you should go to the website and read all about his DAMAGE. How can you blame him for the men out there who dont pay support payments. The reason they dont is because someone else is accussed of being their the father. I am on both sides. My aunt has a baby daddy who runs back and forth to court everytime the wind blows about child support. Then I am a women who gets support but doesnt feel that my daughters dad needs to pay out the rear for not being there. I am a strong black women who would surely admit to another man fathering my child if in deed there had been another possible guy. Women truely hold the power to prevent pregnancy. A man also needs to pursue the relationship with that child as hard as he pursued the mother when he was trying to date her. The fault goes full circle. This has and always will be an issue and Dr. Phil didnt touch the iceberg of how sad this topic truely is.

 

Carnell's baby momma was pregnant before he met her but then again he is the one who caused the damage...............LOL

 
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October 29, 2007, 10:52 pm PDT

Poor Selina!

The step dad showed that it doesn't matter if you share DNA.  He is willing to adopt Selina. He was the only rational adult (besides Dr. Phil) on today's show.

 

I was horrified at the smiles, laughter and glares coming from the mother.  Are you possessed?  Don't you see the pain you have caused?  What do you mean you won't let her father see her now?  Are you looking out for Selina's best interests or are you simply enjoying the pain and regret that the father is feeling?

 

Selina said that she always felt that she was like her "father."  She felt a connection to her dad.  She did not look like him but they were alike.  The father blew it in this situation- and at least he knows that he did.   All the money in the world won't give you back what you lost with your daughter.  All the money in the world won't make her world secure ever again.

 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 10:54 pm PDT

The truth is on Her

I believe it is wrong for any woman to knowingly lie to a man about the paternity of their child. Not every man is suspicious of the woman they are with. So when the woman they are with tell them that they are the father they take it as the absolute truth unless the child comes out looking a completely different ethnicity. So that man establishes a bond with that child he invests time and money in that child. Usually when the man finds out that the child is not his its years later and a whole lot of emotion and time has been put into it. We get upset and mad at men for not wanting to raise a child that is not his. But not every man is strong enough to raise another mans child. That doesn't make him any less of a man it makes him human. Its one thing to be told from the beginning this child is not yours and to still decide that you want to be the father but there is a certain level of hurt and anger that not everyone can get over. We cant fault a man for that he's been made a fool of for nothing his pride is hurt. You can't expect a man to financial support a child that he is not the father of. The woman wouldn't have lied and kept this secret if she thought that the other man would have taken care of the child financially or emotionally. So they consciously make the decision to lie to undo the stupid decisions they have made. If women started making smarter decisions about the men they sleep with than they wouldn't have to lie about their child's paternity. If they really believed that the man they sleep with and know in their heart to be the father would take responsibility they wouldn't lie and tell another more responsible man that he was the father instead of telling the truth. Ultimately it's up to the woman to tell the truth its not reasonable to expect a man every time a woman comes up pregnant to have to say I need a paternity test. Its not fair to those of us who don't cheat, and don't lie about paternity. Its offensive.
 

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October 29, 2007, 10:56 pm PDT

I AGREE COMPLETELY

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Maybe paternity tests should be manditory at birth for all children,  not just to establish child support and biology of unmarried partners.  If DNA testing was standard practice at birth a lot of heartache could be avoide by knowing with  99.9888 % DNA accuracy that your child is biologically and financially yours.

Long ago when I was married, we had to get a blood test before we could get the marriage license.  These days, a paternity test should become standard practice and should be confirmed on the Birth Certificate -- especially since the man in the audience said that something like 30% of all paternity tests show that the man being tested isn't actually the father. 

 

Another thing that wasn't addressed in the show is what Enrique might have been thinking when he cut off 'visitation" with his daughter.  I suspect, frankly, that someone advised him to do this to try to avoid having a judge later say that since he was "acting" as the father he was obligated to pay.

 

Frankly, I think that there should be laws in place to protect Enrique.  For goodness sake, he PAID for 9 or 10 years!  If he wanted to continue "emotionally" parenting the girl, he should have known that there would be no "legal repercussions." 

 

I think the mother is unfit.  I don't blame Enrique one darned bit for trying his best to protect himself.  It is, unfortunately that the girl was "hurt," but I also believe that the mother fueled that fire too -- focusing on how wrong Enrique was constantly by the way he told her. 

 

This was a good show topic -- something that could have been an area where we would have loved some "common sense" applied.  Instead we had to listen to that fake celebrity-chasing excuse of a lawyer who managed to get a plug in for her book.  Did that intelligent black man who changed the law in his state write a book?  I'd much rather read what he has to say on ANY subject given his clear thinking on this subject. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 10:57 pm PDT

WHY

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you have no idea if I have a situation where I can relate-And from what i saw Maria's new man liked her just fine.  it was Enrique who looked like he had is hands full.
 Why are you down on the new wife?  She really didn't do anything.  She should get an award for living through all this mess!  She's stood by Enrique and went on the Dr. Phil show to prove it.  You must relate to Maria because maybe you can relate to her.  I bet you did something like what she did?  Cheated on someone and told him he was daddy?  Mia did nothing in this case.
 

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October 29, 2007, 10:59 pm PDT

BEING A MAN...

I think that there are many different situations out there. My husband and I seperated and I got pregnant from another man who wanted nothing to do with the baby and wanted me to abort.Well what end up happening is I told my husband and he wanted us to work things out and we did he was there for me the whole 9 months and when it came to signing that birth certificate..yes I was confused on what to do put a mans name who wanted nothing to do with my new handsome son or put my husbands name who just fell in love with this new innocent baby...what to do? But my husband being the man he is said there is no way he is leaving this hosiptal with no father on the birth certificate so he signed and my son now 4 and daddy loves him to death omg they share a bond like no other and we have 2 other kids together and you could never tell that was not his son by the love they share! But the father...ummm I hate that he help make this baby and now dosen't even try to do anything or even acknoldge that he has a son so I did try and get child support but because I am married and my husband signed the birth certificate he is consided the father no matter what and I am ok with it I just think the "father" got off scott free but I am happy with my decision but one day my son will know the truth!

 
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October 29, 2007, 11:00 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Dr Phil,

 

I just seen your show on Parent Trap 10-29-07, I wanted to write and share my story; again.  I have written you before, but not very much detail.  So I will try again.   I was a mother of four children, son, daughter and twins.  All born during the course of two marriages.  The first two came from the first marriage, when I separated from their father their was no questions of whom was the father, given the fact that the son whom was in a sense the mini version of the father, and the daughter the mini version of myself .   As I continue on with my life with two children in tow.  I was soon was  face raising children alone with no finincial support or father figure.  The Twins however; was a different story, I was seeing a man whom was married,  I was single.   I begin to see my then furture husband (currently divorced) whom at the time was living with another female.  I slept with both men with unprotected sex within weeks apart.  I soon became pregnant and unsure of the father.  Too my suprise I found out that I was pregnant with twins very soon.   I never told the married man that I was pregnant and the future ex-husband I told was the father! (he was aware that I was seeing another man that was married).  Single and a mother of two children already, I did not wish to have more children and no father to help with raising them.  So I approached my ex-husband with the option to pay half the cost of an abortion.  He refused stating he did not belive in abortion.  "A good guy"  having failed at my first marriage and face with raising two children on my own.  I insisted that if I was to have the twins they were not goint to be born out of wedlock.  So we got married, fast forward 8 years and two separations later. I sat down with my 2nd ex-husband and explain that I did not want to be married and that coming back was a mistake.  I also explained that I was not sure if he was infact the father of the twins, He promptly told me to leave and I could take the two older children with me then he stated that infact I should take all the kids.  I left the twins there and left with two.   At this time I first realized that I really did not want none of the children.   I begin to do some research on termination of parental rights (curosity  mostly; due to the abandonment of my first ex-husband to the first two children) and became interested in what methods/circumstances a mother could terminate her rights.  What I found out is that this is mostly normally done through state agency's, confinment-jail/prison, drug use, abuse/neglect, mentally unstable, adoption and finally criminal charges.  Since the children were african american, and older (not infants/toddlers) adoption was not going to happen-atlease not as quick as I would want it to and for all four.  No chance I would fall into any of the other categorys; however, I did have some bad check charges-criminal charges having been filed already.  Next there was the money issue-how was this going to be paid!!  On one night, I was successful in obtaining my goal, by accident of course and never planned.  I managed to get myself in full complete trouble with the law.  I was charged with tresspassing into the home I once shared with my ex-husband (no property settlement done-during the course of the divorce) and property damage, having spent the entire month of December to include x-mass in jail.  (which is nothing more to do but think about your life and actions) When I was release to supervised probation and 3 yrs of mental couseling.  I promptly filed for termination of parental rights to all children and bankruptcy,  went to my first session of mental couseling and recieved my "good bill of mental health statement" .  All this was done before my first appointment with the probation officier,  having provided documentation of my recent actions.  I was realease from 3 years of supervised probation.  My ex-husband was quick to inform my family of my actions and they rallied behind him in regards to the children.  As correctly so.  They work together to arrange to have two of the children sent to them to take care of.  Since I did not wish to have contact with the children and wanted the children to be raised together and not with my family.  I notified the children welfare office and the local DA office, inform them of the termination of parental rights and the fact that the children were a ward of the state were my ex lived.  The children were returned to my ex-husband.   As I always knew "He was a good guy" he is currently raising all four children.  When people ask the question "do you have children, I say the truth; I do not have children and that was by choice.  How is this working for me.  I am happy, no regrets.  It was in the best interest of the children.   It simply was not for me.  You may wonder why I wrote you this.  Because my ex-husband is currently living in a legal parent trap. 

 

Curlie

California

Curlie it takes a REAL WOMEN to tell her story. A REAL WOMEN to admit that which may not be accepted by many. Each situation is different. People need to see that. The kids one day will wonder and ask and well then you can tell them I did what had to do because i LOVED you all enough to see you needed and deserved better. People who experience these situations are truely the only ones who should be allowwed to comment.
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:07 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Yea, right!  The only dragon lady here is Maria.  SHE LIED TO HER OWN CHILD AND PUT HER AT SERIOUS RISK!  THE POOR CHILD DOESN'T KNOW WHERE SHE CAME FROM.  GET A CLUE.  MARIA (THE DRAGON LADY) LAUGHED THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.  THE ONLY ROTTEN PERSON HERE IS MARIA WITHOUT HER THE WHOLE MESS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED!
I think of all the people Selina should be mad at the last on the list should be her father. She is not old enough to realize the destruction her mother decision made. If her mother had either ! kept her legs closed or 2 at least been a man about her cheating than her daughter wouldnt have been in a position to be rejected.
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:08 pm PDT

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you have no idea if I have a situation where I can relate-And from what i saw Maria's new man liked her just fine.  it was Enrique who looked like he had is hands full.
 So you are saying it's okay for women to lie?  Do you have no pride?  Why be so judgmental on a person you don't know and never met.  Maria is the one who lied.  Get a clue, she lied about who daddy was from the get go.  There's not real proof that Mia did anything wrong.  Nothing!
 
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