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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 30, 2007, 6:35 am PDT

Been there

 My husband went through this ordeal.  It took money away from his biological children.  The ex-wife continually asked for more and SHE is the only one who knew she had slept with MORE THAN ONE OTHER PERSON!!!! 

Thank God we got a judgement to relieve him of child support after 17 years and teh ex has paid very little back but my husband was ALWAYS paid on time.  This is devastating to both the child and the man and I truly believe the women are at fault. 

Anyone who thinks they should continue to pay should pay it themselves, and if you say well it is not your child...then I say it is not his either. 


 
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October 30, 2007, 6:35 am PDT

A viewer's opinion

Shame on this Mom. First and foremost!!  Shame on her!

 I absolutely do not condone the actions of the father in the way his daughter was told, however, I can't say that I don't see his point. Still, after ten years, it would seem to me his love for the child would outweigh any concerns over money.  I hope he has seen the error of his ways and finds a way to help his daughter heal.

This is such a complex issue and it doesn't seem as if any of the parties handled themselves in the best interests of Selena. Still, it is my opinion that all roads of wrong-doing start and end at the mother, who is the person responsible for the origin of the deceit. Shame on her for playing God with so many lives.  I think she was let off the hook way too easily. As Selena matures and comes to realize the burden of responsibility her mother carries ....maybe then the true weight of mom's actions will become apparent to her. What goes around, comes around.

Dad needs to do whatever it takes to make amends ....if it means jumping through hoops of fire. Open a savings account....make any child support payments to it and give it to Selena when she's 18.  And, step-mom shouldn't object unless money is at the heart of her concern.

Poor Selena.

 
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October 30, 2007, 6:36 am PDT

HEY DR. PHIL

ARE YOU GOING TO MAN UP....

 

and acknowledge your assesment of your "Parent Trap" show on Monday was completely and utterly wrong.  

 

The attorney you had on your show, which I will not mention her name, made a complete ASS of herself on Monday.  

 

I respect alot of what you have to say,  but how you handle Monday's show and I will say this with the most passion and I think I speak for everyone that watched your show on Monday... you FAILED miserably.   You failed to give the correct assessment. 

 

YOU SHOULD BE VERY DISSAPOINTED DR. PHIL

 
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October 30, 2007, 6:36 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I think it's horrific that the law does not allow for the victim to seek his rights in a case of "Parent Trap". Of course as a woman I would want the father of my child to "help" support our child, however, in this case, and many like this, I don't understand under what grounds the law obligates a deceived man to support someone elses child? I believe the law should obligate the woman to either divulge the name of the natural parent or agree not to find the "deceived" parent financially liable for the next 5, 10, 15 years of this childs life. This woman should also be held accountable for her lies. Maria KNEW without a doubt that Selena was not Enrique's daughter. I believe she even knows who her real father is. She even tried to pass it off as that the maternal grandparent was dark and curly haired to compensate for the lack of appearance. Today she can boast that she's winning her battle. It really is about the money. Not just about him having to pay, but her receiving it. She wants him to pay, most likely because him being a Doctor, she has been "awarded" a hefty amount. IF he would not have gone about it the wrong way, in telling Selena, the battle about the support would still be on. Her real fury is losing the support and I KNOW without a doubt that she has done her part in cutting Enrique down to Selena, mainly, convincing this child that her "Daddy" just doesn't want to have anything to do with her because of the money. It's all about the money.

 

This new man wanting to adopt Selena? Maria needs to be more aware of the world we are living in. She first needs to give herself more than just 2 years with this man before she even considers allowing this man to breath those words. I think she'd do it more out of spite towards Enrique. That's what her grin and body gestures meant when the topic was brought up. Frankly, I don't know how he would have the face to sit in front of milliions of people next to such a woman that has caused so much hurt to so many people.

 

Selena should not be going thru any of this pain and anger, and hopefully when she is older and can really understand what this is all about she will realize that the real monster was her mother, not her daddy.

 

Kudos to Enriques new wife for helping him discover the truth!!

 
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October 30, 2007, 6:39 am PDT

Just wrong

These women are wrong for doing this and I don't believe he should have to pay for a child that isn't his.  Part of a good marriage is trust and these men trusted their wives.  No good husband would question whether the child is his if he trusted his wife and because of this trust he has a financial burden for 18 years.  NOT RIGHT.  You talk about the child and how it isn't their fault but what about the future children this man will have with a loving trustworthy wife.  What about the burden on his family and children because of a lying woman. 

 

Maybe there should be a mandatory test when a child is born to make sure the father listed on a birth certificate is indeed the father.  At that point he can decide whether to take this child on as his own or get the heck out.

 
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October 30, 2007, 6:44 am PDT

Allred was ALL WRONG

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I agree.  Gloria Allred did not help this episode what-so-ever I wish someone would have pushed her down and told her to shut up.  I am a huge Dr Phil fan, but was disappointed with his choice to let her speak today and make plug her book.  As always she just wants to be in the limelight and she unfortunately got there today.

I agree - having Gloria Allred on the show was a BIG mistake.  What she said was ridiculous and infuriated me. Was she even listening to herself?!     

I agree Enrique should have never severed his relationship with his 'daughter' - he was wrong for that.  Hopefully they can rebuild some sort of healthy relationship.

Maria should have had enough 'balls' to confront the real father and go after him for support - she is the coward!  The biological father should be the one to pay child support.  Shame on Maria and shame on Gloria you both sounded like idiots. 

 
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October 30, 2007, 6:46 am PDT

I agree with your message

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As a mother who has both gone through the Friend of the Court process (they're really nobody's friend) and worked with men who have had to pay for children they have not fathered, I can say that they have suffered gross miscarriages of justice.  They have been taken advantage of emotionally and financially during their marriages/relationships, and then to cause them financial hardship makes them bitter and resentful.  Ms. Allred should spend her energy fighting for laws to compel all biological and adoptive fathers to support their children instead of insisting that men who were deceived suffer even more.
Lawyer should be there for justice not that the interest of the child is a concern. I was brought up with a step father and he treated me the best. But I would of been very upset with my mother not telling me who my real father was, but my mom at least told us who our real fther was. Ansd my point is no matter what life bring you a child should know their real parent. Any attorney could defend a mother, but tell her look you were wrong and the best thing you should do is repay what you've gotten for child support. The gift are not include cause the y were given to the child with trust and some love. How do I know about I was scam too like Mr. Smith!
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:49 am PDT

Fathers being victims

I watched the show yesterday concerning child support that men are paying on children when the men are not even the Paternal father. This effected me greatly because I too am a father that pay's child support for a child that I did not father. My wife had an affair, my life turned upside down. How do you forgive your wife for something like this. I struggled with a very difficult decision. When my wife informed me that she was pregnant, we did not know if the baby was mine or the guy that she had been dating.At the time, we had a son and he was my world. I could not even bear the thought of walking out on my son, and I still loved my wife although I was very hurt and upset about what had happened. After my daughter was born, she was the most beautiful baby I had ever seen. She would look up at me with those big blue eyes, she later became a daddy's girl. After about 3 years, you could tell that she did not favor me and that she favored the other guy, the one that she had been seeing. My wife later cheated again  and that is when I said enough. Although I no longer have any feelings for my ex-wife, I often see Heather doing something taht reminds me of everything. The pain of knowing that my daughter is not mine is always there, trust me, it never goes away. Especially on Birthday's, I try to look happy but a part of me wants to kick the living hell out of my ex-wife. My Ex-wife moved approx 2 hours away, she refuses to meet me in the middle to relieve some of the burden of high fuel prices. Also, my daughter rarely wants to come and visit. I have not been mean to her she is 14 now and likes to have sleepovers with her friends. Anyway, I pay child support for this young lady when I am not the Biological father, I have paid thousands. Gloria Allred is wrong. If something is not done about Women having children and passing the responsibility on the men who are not the fathers, then our World is going to be Chaotic. I honestly feel that Men who are not the Biological father should not have to pay childsupport, if this was to occur and become a law, then maybe women might think twice before they try to fraud someone. I do love this child that I have raised but Child support should be ended. To this date, she does not know the truth. I am struggling with the thought of telling her the truth but I am not sure it is the best thing to do. I don't believe in marriage any more because all it is is a piece of paper, I am only 38 years old and wonder if I will ever marry again because I have a hard time trusting Women about this issue. Most of all, I literally despise my ex-wife for robbing my parents of the fact that Heather is not their grand daughter biologically which I know hurts them very much. I think it needs to be a crime punishable by jail time to tell someone that they are the father of a child in which child support is being paid. Afterall, it is fraud. HELP, I'm stuck in this Parent Trap!  If it were you, what would you do
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:54 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

When will the legal system finallly fault the fraudulent people? The moms that are responsible for lieing, or not being truthful about the identity of the real biological fathers need to be faulted in some way, and no I don't feel that men who are not the biological fathers should have to pay child support, and yes ladies and gents, this is coming from a woman.... I have had three children, and not once have I collected childsupport from a man who was not the biological father. I feel this would be the same as stealing from someone. I also agree that you don't have to be the biological father to be part of a child's life, I"m sure it's been said numerous times, it takes more to being a dad, than blood.Bottom line is, Men should have some legal rights, child support should be stopped if it is proven you are not the father. In cases where you have been there for an extended period of time, and been the onlly father that child has known, think long and hard before leaving that child, even if it is not your biological child, just think about how you are going to feel, think about the abandonment the child is going to feel. Still be there for that child. 
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:55 am PDT

Paternity Fraud

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My personal opinion on this is regardless of whether he is the biological father, he still should have considered the child and never chose that way to inform this child of what he had found out.  That is not her problem and he should have not stop the visitation.  That was a selfish and childish move on his part to just deny her his visits, affection, his love after all those years to just cut it out just like that.  I believe if I would have been in his shoes that I would have chose to still have a relationship with the girl but maybe not having to pay child support (if that was such an issue).  If you have had a family together that many years and loved that little girl all those years, how in lthe world could you ever deny her your love even if she was not your biological daughter.  Adopted parents love their children even if they are not the biological parent.  I know that he was deceived and that was totally wrong on the mother part but still no reason for him to put the child in the middle of that problem between the adults. 
Adopteive par ents have made a conciuos choice to take in a child that is not their biological progeny. Enrique and many others including my husband did not have that choice. They were deceived and victimized, and the court system and allyou peopleout there who blame Enrique for what he did miss the big picture. And stop villifying Mia, the 2nd wife, she is protecting herself and her family. Until you have been through the family court system as we have, fighting this issue don't make snapjudgements. We have been involved in the Courts to clean up this mess since 1996  with no resolution. Maria is committing parental alienation with  both her daughters.
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