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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 30, 2007, 10:47 am PDT

Attorney,Gloria Alred

It makes me angry for any TV show to give a man hater like Gloria a platform for her

views.  I am a female who believes in equality and in her views that she expressed Monday

a man is to blame for everything even a cheating wife.   The manner the child was told is

the only thing I have a problem with.   A man should not be charged with child support when

it is proven he is not the biological father.    You could tell the childs mother knew she had

wronged her husband and seemed to have no remorse.  I've been a single mother of 2 a

long time ago and the father did not pay a dime child support.  The man I later married after

my divorce adopted my daughters with their consent and we were a family.   Any law that forces

a non-biological parent to pay child support after the facts are brought out should be repealed.

You can be a better parent by choice than by biological fathering a child.   At least you had the

man on who is fighting Gloria's views and basically winning. 

 
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October 30, 2007, 10:47 am PDT

Carnell, good for you. Gloria, shut your trap!

Carnell - good for you in fighting your entrapment from your ex girlfriend. Gloria - shut up! Who wants to listen to your yapping! It was obvious that you just wanted to keep throwing the "child card" down our throats. I feel soooooo sorry for all the men out there trapped by manipulative women! It makes me ashamed to be a woman!
 
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October 30, 2007, 10:47 am PDT

parent trap

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Hmmm...what I believe is that women like Maria are afraid to tell the men that their child isn't theirs, because they are afraid that he is going to leave her, & her family, & that's what I can understand on. It also happened with Frankie & Gwen a few weeks ago (just titled "Frankie & Gwen"). I also have to say that women like her aren't evil creatures. True, what she did was wrong, but probably has a good reason, & that women do bad things just as the men, but they're definitely not evil. No matter what bad things they have done, I would never degrade women, like calling them awful names & such, because they're totally disrespectful. I also think that the man should continue to be in her life, just because he's been in her life for so long. If I was in the man's situation, I would continue to be there for the child, & support him/her. Should DNA matter? Absolutely not.
I WAS SOOOO MAD YESTERDAY WHEN I WATCHED THE PARENT TRAP I WANTED TO JUST HURT MARIE. IT IS SO TRUE WHAT ENRIQUE DID WAS WRONG & HE ADMITED HE KNOWS NOW HE LET HIS ANGER & HURT TAKE OVER & JUST WANTED TO HURT SOMEBODY IT WAS TO BAD IT HAD TO BE THE DAUGHTER, BUT THAT MARIE WAS SO DAM SMUG EVERY TIME  SHE WAS ON CAMERA SHE WAS JUST SMILING . EVEN WHEN DR. PHIL SAID U STARTED ALL THIS SHE JUST SMILED AND SAID I KNOW IT LIKE SHE WAS JUST SO PROUD OF WHAT SHE HAD DONE . IT IS WOMEN LIKE HER THAT GIVE WOMEN A BAD NAME & MOST MEN FEEL LIKE  WOMEN ARE OUT TO TAKE THEM FOR EVERY THING THEY HAVE. DR. PHIL I KNOW U DIDN'T SAY ALL U WANTED TO U COULDN'T HAVE . THERE WAS A LOT I COULD HAVE SAID & WANTED TO SAY MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE DAUGHTER BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BECAUSE OF THE WAY ENRIQUE HAS DONE HER OR BECAUSE SHE HAS A MOTHER LIKE MARIE. I HAVE NEVER GOT ON A MESSAGE BOARD BEFORE BUT I WAS JUST TO MAD I HAD TO SPEECK MY MIND ! !!   MS. ALRED MADE NO SENCE TO ME SAYING U HAVE A LIMITED TIME TO SAY I WANT A DNA TEST BUT IF U HAVE NO REASON TO THINK THIS WAS NOT YOUR CHILD WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD A MAN DO THAT , HE SAID IT NEVER CROSSED HIS MIND SHE WAS NOT HIS FOR 10 YEARS . I HAVE TO SAY MARIE DID SEEM EVIL TO ME.
 
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October 30, 2007, 10:49 am PDT

If only I knew!

I too am a victim of paternity fraud, and it feels good to know the general public has the common sense that the courts don't. I have read alot of the posts and so many say what I wish the courts understood. The feelings I have of being tricked like that, as the mother and the real father converse over what they knew was the trueth, I feel like a joke, it's like she just decided I wasthe father cause she knew I would take care of what I thought was mine. I have sent  the e-mails the mother sent me to the courts but they act a if I wrote them myself and won't check to see f they re authentic. I had children so young that it scared me into not having more. I love children cause they are our future but the thoughts of it just shuts me down. I have nightmares over it. It effects me sexually with my current wife. I feel like such a fool! I can only pray cause I have no recourse in the courts. I have realized that the judge and the prosecutor work together on every case and probably have lunch together so they are not here to help me. I just wish they would give me and the child a chance to know  for sure. The mother lies straight to the courts,wich is a felony but due to the finances of it they don't care. There are federal dollars in child support for the States. I read that in Alaska, a DNA is required before a child support order is put into place, IF the couple was not married. I was not married and they say I waited to long to check when I sent the E- mails that the mother sent telling me she and the father would get the test. I waited thinking that since she knew as well as the child and the father that we all as adults would work it out. but as soon as the checks started coming she says the child is mine now after 9 years of telling me and the child different. I have called the father but he won't return my calls. I think about it everyday. How I wish I had the forsight back then to ask for a test and not trusted that as adults they would do the right thing. Life can really suck and the justice system is not just. It all matters where they place you in importance. The judge and prosecutor treat me like crap. My only recourse is my father in heaven to rectify this in his time. I pray for that daily. I tell all young men I come in contact with to never trust what a women tells them. I have such a sad bitter message to give them about becoming a father and it should not have to be that way, but welfare and child support have become a viable option to lots of women as a way of life. I pray for all the men and children in this situation. Laws are changing but at a turtles pace, not quick enough to help me. I just wish I would have known cause my parents did not behave like this. I also know there are people facing life an death situations so I need to get a grip but having had a child so young ruined my relationship with my parents and made my life hard. If I had known I only had one child not 2 I could have taken better care of he one I DID father, and the othr father could have done the same and all could have been well!
 

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October 30, 2007, 10:49 am PDT

The 3rd person involved

After seeing the show yesterday, I could not believe the views of the new wife.  She spoke for the husband the entire show.  Does he not have his own voice?  I do realize what the first wife did was wrong.  The funny thing about this show was all the so called adults (including the so called man who won his against the law) talked about money and not feelings of this child.  I think the message got lost some where along the lines, that yes what the woman did was wrong but there is a child with hurt feelings here. They have this saying "What comes around goes around".   These folks really looked foolish.

 
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October 30, 2007, 10:50 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I strongly feel that if a man finds out that a child he has been raising or supporting is not his then by all means he should NOT be obligated to pay any further child support and should be able to sue the mother for all the money he did pay to her. Some woman these days are so greedy and malicious. It's not fair to men that truly work hard for their money to be a victim of fraud like this. HOWEVER, I do feel that the relationship between dad and the child should continue. There is a special bond that is grown between the two of them and that should not be lost.

After watching this show I was TOTALLY disgusted and angry at how Maria acted in regards to this whole situation. She was laughing in one piece of the tape and had a ridiculous smirk on her face the entire time. She should be absolutely ashamed of herself. I don't think that she truly cares about Selina and Enrique's father/daughter relationship. She is a fake, malicious, disrespectful, greedy, selfish liar who only wants money from him and that is just wrong in so many ways. Maria should be prosecuted to the fullest for fraud. Woman should NOT be allowed to get away with this. There are decent men out there willing to step up to the plate, be a father and care for their children and then on the other hand you have woman out there like Maria taking full negative advantage of it. SHAME ON YOU!!

 

Now, I do disagree completely with how Enrique handled the situation when he told his daughter about not being her bio-father. He should of handled that differently and because of that he has hurt his daughter that really respected him and looked up to him. Unfortunately he can't get that back. However, I hope that someday they can both reconcile and build a healthy relationship with each other again. Best of wishes and god bless!!

 
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October 30, 2007, 10:50 am PDT

Parent Trap

I do not believe that someone should pay child support if they are not the biological parent.
 
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October 30, 2007, 10:51 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

if the cheater wife would have told him that this was not his child when she was pregnant then he would  have had the opportunity to decide to raise this child as his own or not to even begin a relationship with this child and end the marriage.   he was not given that choice.  he had no reason to question the paternity of that child.  i believe he is a victim just as the child is.  he should not have to be financially responsible for this child.  i don't care what anyone says.  this is just one more example of situations where the bio mother is not made accountable for her actions or lack of.    i get so sick of the courts automatically rallying for the rights of the bio mothers petitioning for child support just because they are the custodial parents.  in ga when the parents of a child are never married, the bio mother is automatically the custodial parent.  not because she is the most fit parent.  even now there are people in situations that have to pay child support to deadbeat mothers who are not made to be accountable for supporting the children with the money they get and the children do without.  they wind up on welfare and tax payers foot the bill for them to pile up on their ass and draw foodstamps and govmt aid while they should get out and get a job and uphold their part of the financial responsiblity for the child. there is a BIG BIG difference between a man being a deadbeat and not wanting to support a child that is his and having to be financially responsible for one that is not.  gloria allred is FULL OF IT.  i think the man from dekalb co ga gave her a run for her money and clearly had the upperhand on info in that argument.  i live in ga and am the step parent of a child with a dead beat mother.  i know first hand how the ga courts are when dealing with child support.  there is very very poor legislation on laws of child support here.
 
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October 30, 2007, 10:54 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

While my husband and I were watching the show, I almost came unglued! Who do these mothers think they are extorting money from men while knowing what they are doing is flat out deceit? And should be illegal! This offense should be punishable in the local, state and/or federal court systems. I applaud Mr. Carnell Smith for his work at helping deceived men to take action. I feel for the children in these situations...I pray for their emotional healing. The children involved are learning first hand about dishonesty from their own mothers. SHAMEFUL.

 
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October 30, 2007, 10:56 am PDT

MARIA SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH CRIMINAL ACTION

Enrique should sue Maria, not only for all back child support paid, but for all of the trauma he has had to go through. Maria KNEW she slept with another man at the same time she got pregnant. She knew it could not be his. She knowingly deceived him, thus causing all of this trauma. She should be made an example of . Where can I donate $$ to help all of the men out there deceived by women like Maria?

 

 

 
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