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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 30, 2007, 11:33 am PDT

Mia not an outsider

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I found your program most intriguing and a little disturbing.

 

First of all, I'd like to say a big "SHAME ON THAT SECOND WIFE OF ENRIQUE'S!!"  She is, for all intents and purposes, an outsider in this!  She should have minded her own business!!  The way I see it, she purposely set about course of action intended to accomplish nothing but cause anguish for his former family.  I don't care how she tries to justify it to herself or anyone else!  If she had an opinion she should have kept it to herself.  But yet, that Enrique stood by her and walked away from HIS CHILD!!

 

If we were dealing with the matter of the child Selena, in a Pennsylvania court, there would have never been a court hearing let alone a television program to talk about it.  In our state, a child born OF A MARRIAGE is presumed to be a child of that marriage regardless of who the biological parent is and that is the way it should be.  The law was designed to make sure the BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD is protected.  Grown adults tend to forget that they have an obligation to PROTECT and to do whatever is in the best interest of the CHILDREN, not themselves, not their new spouse, etc.  The Court needs to safe-guard the sanctity of the family and the best interest of the children at all costs.

 

As for the guy who paid child support for 11 years to the child of his "ex-girlfriend", I'd like to ask him what kind of idiot would just blindly agree to pay support for a child of an "ex" who suddenly appears back in his life to tell him she is pregnant and the child is his?  Where did he leave his brains when he went to support court?  Why didn't he DEMAND a paternity test?  Every man has a right to request paternity testing, he didn't.  That's his problem!! Now he expects everyone to feel sorry for him!  Well, I don't.  The only person I feel sorry for is that child!

 

I do not in any way condone a women tricking a man into believing a child is his when it isn't.  Nor do I feel it fair for a man to pay child support for a child not his, or being heartbroken when, and if, he finds out.  However, men have protection.  There are condoms and other contraceptives, for instance, to ensure this doesn't happen.  Contrary to what may be popular belief, I believe our courts are fair with fathers and give them every protection under law and every opportunity to safeguard their own interests.  

 

My heart goes out to poor Selena and her sister.  God bless them both.  They didn't ask for this and this should not have happened at  ANY TIME IN THEIR LIVES.

 

 

Mia is not an outsider and will you pick a side and stick to it.  You say the law is right in assuming that a child born of a marriage is presumed to be a child of that marriage regardless of who the actual father is and yet you mock the other guy for not requesting a paternity test.  You yourself said that "Every man has a right to request paternity test" but if he is assumed to be the father than whats the point of the test since the husband, although not bio. father is assumed to be the father since he was legally married and will still have to pay child support.  No the laws are not there to protect the best interest of the child since that child will never know his actual father and will only receive the full anger and resentment  of the ex-husband for having to pay child support that he should not be paying. 
 

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October 30, 2007, 11:34 am PDT

Parent Trap

   Iam currently paying childsupport on a child that I don't think is mine.  I have had this question since he was born and  I have asked his mother for a DNA test and all she can tell me is what does it matter.  She also told me that this is the only way I can keep you around.  My mother told my that she would disown me if I press it.  The chid is asking his grandmother why his dad is not paying child support and she is telling him  he is and moma is telling him, if his dad was paying child support they would have money.  I just think if it's not  your kid than you should not pay child support.   Than maybe  that is one way to keep these women from pening this on anybody the want.
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:36 am PDT

Regarding The Wife

I just wanted to say, that woman had an affair and shows no feelings toward her children what so ever. 

Your Lawyer friend, is a tipical woman first thing they all worry about is the money.  (I am a mother, divorced with children)  This is more common then you would think, my friends uncle paid child support for a child for the 18 years, something happened and she need a blood transfusion and she was 23 then, and thats when he found out he wasn't her father.  He tried to get his money back, but of course money is more important.  That is what our country has come to.  I feel that if you could go to jail for not paying child support, a woman should be sent to jail for fraud.  I know that she knew she just sat there laughing and smiling, she don't care about her daughter, she just wants the money.  I am surprised that her daughter even talks to her, I would be upset at my mom for ruining my life with her selfishness.  Also, just to inform everyone, because they kept say he should of asked, you know that any woman for one thing will denie and another thing they would freak out, and when your married the man doesn't get the option for a DNA test, they just put your name on the birth certificate.

 
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October 30, 2007, 11:36 am PDT

paternity fraud

Dr. Phil, I watched the show yesterday and it upset me very much....I have heard of this happening to other men and I think it is grossly unfair....The Mother should be held liable for the fraud and forced to pay back any child support that was paid after the fraud was disclosed...She sat through the whole program looking very smug and self-righteous with a sneaky smirk  on her face....I feel sorry for the child but the blame needs to be placed squarely on her Mother's shoulders for her deceit..She should be forced to divulge who the father really is to the daughter and should go after him for future support.  It is unfortuneate that Selena and Enrique have to suffer because of her lying and cheating...I wonder how she sleeps at night.........Incidentally, I feel that Gloria Allred is a "joke" in the legal profession...she is always grandstanding and irritating.  Thanks for a great show. 
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:36 am PDT

Wow over 2500 postings!! Is this a record?

This certainly has been a passionate topic.  There has been a lot of anger aimed at the right people in this matter but I think that Gloria Allred is not one of them.  She was on the show to explain and defend the law.  She is a lawyer and Dr Phil is not. Who better to explain the law than a lawyer?  Maybe the laws need to be tweaked to include our latest scientific gains in DNA testing but, she is right when she says that the laws reflect the best interest of the child. 

 

The man that the child grew up with as the father, loves as the father and looks up to as the father has rights in this case too.  I think he should go back to the courts and demand a relationship with this child.  The laws protect the father too with regards to visitation and the bonds that were established. 

 

Should he pay?  That seems to be at the heart of everyone's passionate responses.  Maria did not help matters sitting on the stage enjoying all the pain and anguish that she wreaked on her ex.  She was certainly not a likable character on the show.  She was so outlandish that the best interest of the child seemed secondary.

 
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October 30, 2007, 11:37 am PDT

Follow your heart!

It was so sad to listen to the young girl talking about her dad (the only one she's ever known) telling her he wasn't her Biological Father.  Well, unfortunately the X-wife was VERY wrong with what she did BUT the relationship with Father/Daughter had already been established for years...How could you put a price on that?  How could you possibly STOP that loving relationship for the sake of the Almighty Dollar?  Sure, be mad as HECK at the EX but don't take it out on that sweet little daughter.  That just wasn't right ,in my opionon. 
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:38 am PDT

PREDATOR

Thats exactly what she is!!! She prays on weak men.  And she found  him!  One of her comments before a commercial break was something to the effect of "...If he only had the balls!" Unfortunately there are alot of men out there that don't have it in them to fight for there rights therefore we will continue to have people like Maria.  What we need is men like Carnell Smith who didn't  settle! Granted it was a long fight but he won.

 

Maria is selfish, self centered and inconsiderate individual.  She needs Dr. Phils help NOW!!!!!!

 

As for Enrique. There is plenty of blame to go around.  Was he so blinded by love that he couldn't see the obvious? My goodness look at that girls hair texture, skin color, her eyes and the rest of her features! Isn't it obvious she is mixed with something other than Latino blood!!!!!

He needs to learn how not to  be so dependent on woman. This was his fight so why was his current wife doing most of the talking?  Yes he was victim in Maria's scheme but he needs to stop acting like one!

 

As for the childsupport? He shouldn't pay and I hope he sues Maria for Paternity Fraud. I hope there is a great attorney out there who is willing to take on this case and let this be the example for those gold diggers!  If Maria is so desperate for support then she needs to pursue Selena's biological father.  From her demeanor she has no remorse for the grief she has caused to Enrique let alone her daughter.  What a pitiful excuse of a mother!!! We all  know kids learn by example and what a "great"  example she has set! To be deceptive, liars, predators and cheaters!!!!!!!
We all agree Maria is to blame for the deception and sadly the one that has paid and will continue to pay the high price if proffesional intervention doesn't occur will be Selena. 
I hope Dr. Phil offers his services to all parties involved and if Maria doesn't take advantage of the opportunity to fix this huge mess that she is responsible for then its obvious what she will continue to be. 

Like the black widow we all saw she captured her next victim......

 
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October 30, 2007, 11:38 am PDT

GIVE ME A BREAK

Enrique must have been having sex with Maria, or he would have known the child could not be his.  If you are married, the child is presumed to be the husbands.  If this child is so OBVIOUSLY  not his that his second wife can tell with one look, surely he should have questioned it iin 9 years.  It is totally selfish for him to treat the child this way after being the only father she has ever known. Legal issues aside, I would not trust a man who could trat his child this way.  He should be grown up enough to work this issue out with Maria.  And his current wife should stay out of it.  I didn't see much that she contributed except to call Maria names.  Maria certainly knew that the child might not be his, but his issues with her should be separate from his treatment of the child.
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:39 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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LOOKS like you are making there situation yours. Just because you had that experience doesn't mean this is the same thing, Maria should have been honest with her own child but the $$$$$$ was to good. !!!
 

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October 30, 2007, 11:44 am PDT

In general, I agree with you.

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I do not believe that someone should pay child support if they are not the biological parent.
Ordinarily, neither do I.  But then what do you propose?   Since the biological father is nowhere in sight , do you propose we endorse that the only father she has known abandon her financially (like many here suggest)?  Who really has more to lose in this terrible situation?  The daughter, or the adult?  It is about choosing the lesser of two evils.  Life's choices aren't always black and white, nor are the choices necessarily good for ALL involved.  This is why there is a CHOICE to be made at all.  Neither choice is fair to both father and child simultaneously.  Nevertheless, I feel strongly that the MORAL decision (which the father in this case should have made WILLINGLY) is to continue loving AND financially supporting his daughter, rather than make her pay for what that awful woman did.  Love the child more than you hate the mother...  That's the lesser of the two evils in my book.
 
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