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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 30, 2007, 5:25 pm PDT

LOVE vs TRUST

Quote From: marthahascall

YOU KNOW MY HUSBAND HAS THAT EXACT OPINION AND TO BE HONEST I'M STARTING TO FEEL THAT WAY MYSELF HOWEVER TRUST SHOULD BE EARNED BEFORE YOU SAY I DO THATS THE PROBLEM AND WHY THERE IS SO MUCH "DECEIT GOING ON" TODAY BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T GET TO KNOW AND TRUST THEIR SPOUSE BEFORE SAYING I DO.......SO ONCE AGAIN I STAND BY MY COMMENT AND IF MY HUSBAND CAN'T TRUST ME NOW THEN YOU BETTER BELIEVE I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TRUST HIM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG OUR MARRIAGE WOULD LAST MARRIAGE IS BUILT ON LOVE AND TRUST

Thanks for the comments. I agree that sometimes people marry for the wrong reasons and at the wrong time. You have some very interesting views on love and trust. Love and trust should be inclusive in ANY relationship, not just marriage.

 

How ever, love and trust ARE two different things. You can love someone, but they don't have to love you! And if someone leads you to believe that they love you and they don't, then you have a distrustful situation. Some people have found out that their mate that they love and trust has a sex addiction, and they have sex(sometimes unprotected with multiple partners).

 

They may find that they love that person deeply, but cannot trust them any more. That is why I will do anything possible in my marriage to put my wife's mind at ease if she requested me to do so. Some times we may become involved with a mate who has trust issues due to other experiences, and if you truly love that person you may have to do whatever you can to set their mind at ease.

 

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October 30, 2007, 5:27 pm PDT

Decent women require a little bit more...

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No one should be blaming Mia. Any decent women would want her husband to know the truth. A relationship built on lies is no relationship. If they money is not an issue let the mother support her own child......Maria only wants a free handout at the expense of another.
Any decent woman would also NOT want to be with a man who would abandon a beloved daughter he'd raised for ten years, even upon finding out she is not of his genes!!!  I'd wonder if my spouse was human if they reacted that way.  Hatred, anger, etc.. to the wife for her deceptions would be completely understood, but NOT abandoning one child and keeping the other!  People, this is a "civilized" nation.  Think about what that means for how we as a society choose to treat children who are used in this way.  It's unbelievable that many here can't even agree that a child's best interest (even if it means forcing a parent to help the child financially) MUST be our first consideration.  Children are helpless -- we hold their fate in our hands -- they are prey to our decisions --  they are also the FUTURE of each generation; therefore, they must be protected over and above the adult.
 
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October 30, 2007, 5:29 pm PDT

The wrongs/rights of the parents.

The mother was wrong from the beginning, whether she had a doubt or not, she knew she had cheated and should have been honest. Whether the father was there for ten years or not, he should keep a relationship with the girl, but should not have to pay child support. In my opinion, there should be a law stating that if a man or woman is falsely brought into a situation, then that person shall not have to pay for the wrong doing of the other one. Of course, the poor girl is in the middle of all of it, but I think she is doing pretty well, given there has been time inbetween. This father should not have to pay child support, and maybe he should be given compensation from the mother for her lying.
 
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October 30, 2007, 5:29 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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YOU GIVE WOMEN A BAD NAME WHEN YOU SAY IT'S OKAY TO LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL! GIVE ME A BREAK!
 I didn't say it is right to lie, cheat and steal.  All of these things are wrong.  I am not defending the actions of the mother or the dad.  But, the 2nd wife is the disgusting person who made sure this was all brought out into the open NOW when the victim in this sad saga is a 10 year old child.  That is the main focus or should be right now.  No 10 yr old wants or needs this information.  She needs love and security and every responsible adult in her life should see to it that this is what she gets.
 
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October 30, 2007, 5:35 pm PDT

how could mia know the outcome?

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 I didn't say it is right to lie, cheat and steal.  All of these things are wrong.  I am not defending the actions of the mother or the dad.  But, the 2nd wife is the disgusting person who made sure this was all brought out into the open NOW when the victim in this sad saga is a 10 year old child.  That is the main focus or should be right now.  No 10 yr old wants or needs this information.  She needs love and security and every responsible adult in her life should see to it that this is what she gets.
how would she know how the mother would react, etc? no one want's to live a lie. she was there supporting her husband to see selina. how do you know she didnt write into the show to try and reunite the two of them?
 
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October 30, 2007, 5:37 pm PDT

Who are the grown ups?

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I think of all the people Selina should be mad at the last on the list should be her father. She is not old enough to realize the destruction her mother decision made. If her mother had either ! kept her legs closed or 2 at least been a man about her cheating than her daughter wouldnt have been in a position to be rejected.
Maria is the reason this came to issue.   Yea it would have been so much better if the kid was a bastard from birth.  By the way it looks like the dad is an MD--and he is whinning about support payments?  What did Maria need a purse or shoes?  T 
 

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October 30, 2007, 5:39 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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YOU MISS THE POINT OF THE DISCOURSE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COURT ORDER CHILD SUPPORT .DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE RIGHT TO FORCE THIS MAN UNDER PENALTY OF INCARCERATION TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT FOR A CHILD THAT IS NOT BIOLOGICAL HIS AN D OF WHICH HE WAS FRAUDGENTLY DECEIVED INTO BELIEVING IT WAS.

I AM SURE HE WILL MAKE AMENDS WITH HIS DAUGHTER IN THE FUTHER WHEN SHE IS OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT GROWN UPS ASLO FEEL PAIN AND SOMETIMES MAKE FOOLISH AND CAPRICIOUS DECISIONS.

I was addressing other issues.  But on your issue, I notice that you leave out  "...and who he loved and raised for ten years AS HIS OWN..." in framing your position/question.  In Enrique's case, I would say yes, he should be forced to pay.  Again, NOT because it is "fair" to him (people here are big on what's "fair" to the person they side with) but because it's what SHOULD CONTINUE AS A NORMAL CONSEQUENCE OF AN ALREADY CLEARLY ESTABLISHED PARENTAL RELATIONSHIP, BE THE CHILD GENETICALLY HIS OR NOT.  HOW the child came to be his (be it deception or otherwise) is a moot point in these decisions.  It should be taken into account, however, in deciding HER punishment.

 
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October 30, 2007, 5:40 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I  was shocked by Enrique's new wife.  I would not be so quick to tell people that he follows my insticts after how he treated an innocent 10 year old child. The fact that she went along with that behavior makes her look like a cold, unfeeling  and jealous woman.  Jealous that a 10 year old was getting some of her husbands money. Stopping those funds affected Selana more than Maria.  It bothered me that she didn't even seem to care about Selenas feelings, only that Maria had tricked her husband into paying child support for a child that wasn't biologically his.. a child however that he had loved and cared for for 10 years. She was a major factor in her husbands decision to stop paying and charge Maria with fraud.

 

 Who in their right mind tells the person they profess to love something that will only hurt them. Who tells someone I don't think your child is really yours, what was there to gain.. money is all I can figure.. Is this woman really that cold? How can she look in the mirror in the mornings.

 

 Most husbands after 10 years with a child would be more than happy to continue to care for the child if this came about...most would sit them down when old enough and say I am not your real father but I feel as though I am and hope that we can continue on as we have in the past.

 

We cared for a young gal here from Nicaragua for 6 months and have started an account in her country to help her with her medical expenses, food, etc.  She is not our child, but we connected while caring for her and we talk every month and do what we can for her and her family.  This was a hard show for me to watch, turning his back on that child was very disturbing for me.

 

  I understand Enrique's anger at Maria and no I don't think women should be able to just name anyone for child support but to inform Selena and abandoned her that way, wow, my heart went out to that little girl... If he didn't want to pay. go to court, confront Maria, but protect the innocent child in the best way you can. The fact that the new wife was okay with all this and didn't do all she could to correct the seperation between Enrique and Selena or to push for them to reconnect really upsets me and makes me wonder if she is a mother herself?

 

 I felt wife #2 was way out of line in the Selena / Enrique/Maria picture.  She had a motive, why else push Enrique not to pay, come on.  I hope she is happy that she destroyed a young childs trust, security, and love, not to mention the future emotional problems this young girl will experience due to this.  As far as I am concerned if Enrique gets out of paying.... then the money is as good as Blood Money.  Money gained at someone elses expense.. Selena's!  They are taking from a child not from Maria.

 

Yes Maria dupped Enrique to cover her mistake,  but it was mostly for Selanas sake..(you could consider it blood money but I don't think it went into her pocket) Wife #2  why so focused on this? Money, money, money, plain and simple. It certainly wasn't to put a smile on her husbands face or that of a young child. Shame on that cold hearted women. 

 

 For years women have done what is best for their child.  they have been known to lie, steal and cheat if they have to for them.. sad but true.  I feel society is partly to blame for that.  A lot of young women get pregnant and are left raising the child till the day they die, while many men walk away and continue on with their lives. There are many good men out there don't misunderstand me, but having 2 girls I do worry about who they are involved with and how responsible that person is.

 

Enrique what you did to that child to me is way worse than the fraud committed against you by Maria.

 

You spoke well, I concur!
 
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October 30, 2007, 5:48 pm PDT

I have lived through this same situation

I have lived through this same situation.  My father payed child support for my younger sister for 18 years knowing she was nnt his child.  My dad knew and never said a word to any of us about this.  My mother and father divorced before she was born due to this and my mother made sure that my father was not able to see any of his children (there were two of us that were his).  From the time I was 6 until I turned 18 we did not know why our dad would not visit or want to see us.  My mother lied to us and said my dad left when he found out he was pregnant with my sister, he did not want her.  Once my brother and I turned 18 we went to see our dad and found out that my mother had him arrested 3 times because he tried to visit us.  We also found that there was documentation that he was not my sisters father and still payed child support because there was not DNA back in the 60's.  Even at this time he did not come out and tell us he was not her father.  We found out when my sister was 25, the truth came out right before my grandmother died.  This was over 15 years ago and my mother still will not tell the truth, she refuses to tell my sister who her father is.  At the request of my sister my father took a DNA test and confirmed the truth, he is not her father.  My mother took our father away from us at a young age, hurt my sister to the point where she has not been able to carry on a good relationship with a man.  She seems distant from them and is now possibly facing her second divorce.  My father had to give up his children and pretend they never existed after 7 years of raising us, this had hurt everyone and to this day over 40 years later my mother still will not admit she did something wrong and my father still has a problem with having a relationship with his children.  Not to mention that my sisters true father does not know she exists and she has no idea who he is, this is wrong.  I am a woman and these women that are going around and cheating the real father out of a relationship with their children needs to stop.  The courts are not helping with this.  There is more than just the right and wrong here, in some cases there are true medical concerns that these children should be made aware of and sometime don't know about until it is too late.  Why don't these women have to have some type of "restitution or payment" of truth of financial?  They are getting away with this and in the end it is just a oops I guess I didn't tell the truth.  This isn't just about the  money, but for most of these women - IT IS!

 

Let the truth be told!

 
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October 30, 2007, 5:49 pm PDT

Enrique wants the child in his life

Quote From: terrbin

Any decent woman would also NOT want to be with a man who would abandon a beloved daughter he'd raised for ten years, even upon finding out she is not of his genes!!!  I'd wonder if my spouse was human if they reacted that way.  Hatred, anger, etc.. to the wife for her deceptions would be completely understood, but NOT abandoning one child and keeping the other!  People, this is a "civilized" nation.  Think about what that means for how we as a society choose to treat children who are used in this way.  It's unbelievable that many here can't even agree that a child's best interest (even if it means forcing a parent to help the child financially) MUST be our first consideration.  Children are helpless -- we hold their fate in our hands -- they are prey to our decisions --  they are also the FUTURE of each generation; therefore, they must be protected over and above the adult.
That was clear to me. This story seems very complex and I'm sure there's more to it. Why would someone go on national tv and admit they were wrong if they were not sincere. He's trying hard to correct the mistake. We don't have to be perfect, just admit when we are wrong and try to make it right. I think we should at least give him credit for that.
 
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