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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 31, 2007, 9:48 am PDT

Biological fathers are victims too

I would just like to say to the people who just think that the unknowing biological father is just a pay check and not a victim as well. Your Wrong! Ten years ago I was told that I might be a father. I showed up at the hospital to see mom and baby to be told that I wasn't the father. Ten years later I'm asked to take a paternity test for this now 10 yr boy. Shocked, worried and upset because I thought this was settled 10 yrs. ago. I took the test because I thought that it was important for us both to know and for medical reasons and found out that I'm the father. I missed a lot of birthdays and holidays. Luckily we ended up in the same state so we have been spending time together getting to each other and he has a chance to meet his siblings and the rest of his other family.  This is a messed up thing that women do for selfish reasons. So please don't think that we're not victims as well. Thank you.

 

 

 

 

 
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October 31, 2007, 9:51 am PDT

Dr. Phils 2 Rules?

What were the two things that Dr. Phil said he never gets the child involved in?  Discussing adult issues with the child and I can't remember the other one. Anyone? Thank you

 

Also I think that it was criminal of that dad to stop the relationship with Selina that he had, just because he found out that he wasn't the biological dad. He was the only dad she knew and loved. Hopefully they can rekindle their relationship because every little girl needs their dad. Biological or not.

 

I can understand the frustration about the child support, but that should not stop him from loving her and taking care of her emotionally. Shame on Marie for doing that to both of them. She is to blame the most.

 
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October 31, 2007, 10:09 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Amen, Marabella.  Well said.
If I was the second wife, I'd like to know who the child belonged to.  I bet most women would want to know and its not all about money.
 
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October 31, 2007, 10:15 am PDT

Don't bash the truth tellers!

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Has Mia ever thought about Selina??? I don't think so, she supports her husband in his wrong doings towards this innocent child. It's amazing to me that everyone on here seems to have forgotten about this child and how she feels and how she has been treated they are more concerned about the money and how this has effected Enrique!!!!!!!!!
The only thing Mia did was tell Enrique the truth. Had Maria not lied this whole situation could have been prevented......THAT's THE TRUTH!
 
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October 31, 2007, 10:15 am PDT

TRUTH (REVISITED)

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I would just like to say to the people who just think that the unknowing biological father is just a pay check and not a victim as well. Your Wrong! Ten years ago I was told that I might be a father. I showed up at the hospital to see mom and baby to be told that I wasn't the father. Ten years later I'm asked to take a paternity test for this now 10 yr boy. Shocked, worried and upset because I thought this was settled 10 yrs. ago. I took the test because I thought that it was important for us both to know and for medical reasons and found out that I'm the father. I missed a lot of birthdays and holidays. Luckily we ended up in the same state so we have been spending time together getting to each other and he has a chance to meet his siblings and the rest of his other family.  This is a messed up thing that women do for selfish reasons. So please don't think that we're not victims as well. Thank you.

 

 

 

 

This another reason why the truth should always be told! Thank you for being a stand -up guy and accept your responsibility even 10 years later. May God bless your relationship with your son and may it continue to grow.
 
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October 31, 2007, 10:15 am PDT

Mia will bear the wrath in the end.....

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Hi Mia.  Thanks for reading and posting on the board.  I'm so glad you encourage and support Enrique's relationship with Selina. You did the right thing by bringing up the DNA issue.   I admit I do wish you had or could have influenced him away from the way he handled her.  The past is past, and now the challenge is to move toward re-establishing a loving relationship with her.  I believe it will happen.  Children are usually very forgiving, and eventually she'll realize her mother is the real villain.  At that time I hope she'll forgive her too.  All of you are in my heart and prayers.  I've never had a Dr. Phil show affect me so.  May God bless you, Enrique, Selina, your family, Selina's sister, Chris, and yes touch Maria (she really needs it!).

 

Question:  Is there a possibility that Enrique knew down deep (i.e.  was in denial) about Selina when she was born?  Is Maria's father Black?  If so, that could account, in part, for Selina's looks.  If not, it would have been (is) obvious...  In any even, this beautiful child is obviously Black...

First....Maria is dead wrong for what she did to Enrique.  I think that 's obvious.  But MIa will have to someday face the consequences of her actions.  I, too, am a step mother to children whose biologiical mom did some very hurtful things.  I could have easily started a war with the ex and tried to control the situation.  But the ONLY true casualty of that war would have been the children.  Mia had an opportunity to  be a healer, a peaceamaker, a supportive  stepmother, a compassionate wife, a DECENT HUMAN BEING. 

 

But she is SO controlled by her hate for Maria that she has taken a "win at any cost" stance.  Enrique is obviously a man who does not make decisions for himself, and allowed Mia to lead him into this battle.

 

After  the show, Mia may feel like she "won" because so many were mad at Maria (myself included). 

But after the cameras stop rolling and the national glare is off of this situation, her manipulative and bitter approach to this family crisis will probably have severe consequences  - for MIA.  if she and Enrique survive this scandal intact, it will not be because she took the high road...it will simply be luck. 

 

Had I taken the same approach as Mia with my step children and the ex.......I could not have held my head up and looked myself in the mirror (or gone on national tv).  As many, many times as I wanted to "destroy" the ex....I was able to keep my mouth shut and my heart open....and my step children are happier and healthier because I put their needs before mine.  C'mon Mia.......GROW UP AND THINK OF SOMEONE BESIDES YOURSELF.  that little girl deserves better than this........

 
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October 31, 2007, 10:19 am PDT

Parenting

I feel that in places such as the US and Canada where we basically live in the land of opportunity, there should be no need for any mother to knowingly lie about her child's paternity, especially for reasons such as child support.  As a parent I could never imagine doing such harm to my child, long lasting and irreparable harm to a child by lying about such an important fact.  I saw this show and was angered that the lady lawyer could defend the fact that the man thought to be the father had to pay child support.  As a woman and single parent this was insulting since we are not getting to the root cause of the problem and we are only providing any easy solution for the mother. A mother has a responsible as an adult and parent to do right by her child and to shelter her emotionally, economically and otherwise. A mother must protect and represent the best interest of her children at all times.  If one needs money, then find a job. If one needs aid, then use welfare if required to move ahead in life not to live off of the system for the rest of your life. If one needs assistance, then educate yourself and seek the assistance that in a lot of cases are of little or no cost in our communities.  We must be an example to our children and as a single parent who has never had child support I found a way to educate myself, provide for my son’s needs and educate him in the process….and the thing is, we’re doing more than okay.

 
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October 31, 2007, 10:20 am PDT

Hateful words...

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Yes I agree with you Mia needs to stay out of it!!!  She is hurting that little girl with all of her hateful words and she must have never been a mother otherwise she wouldn't be saying the things that she has been saying. She stands up for her husband but who stands up for the child???
I never heard Mia say anything hateful! She's supporting the relatinship with Selina. Did you NOT see that. She just does not equate money to love!!! She believes there can be an emotional bond without having a court order of support!
 
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October 31, 2007, 10:23 am PDT

So Angry!!!

I watched this show twice!  I was so struck with anger when lawyer Gloria Allred stated that Maria simply made a mistake at the time she wrote Enrique down as the father but had absolutely NO forgiveness for Enrique's admitted mistake and regret for telling Selena in a devestating manner that he was not her biological father.  My anger was magnified when she stated the mothers mistake is not the crime, the real crime is the fathers who do not pay child support and force the mothers of their children to be on welfare!!!  OH!  I am so angry!  The REAL crime with regard to child support in this country is the LAW!!  It is so easily manipulated by angry, bitter money hungry ex wives!  That is the real crime.  My husband has never missed a visitation or child support payment until he lost his job of ten years.  He is an incredible father who would do anything for his son and would never have a DNA test (even though this has been a concern) because his son is HIS no matter what DNA says!  Gloria is right when she talks about the finger pointing not being helpful!  But she was finger wagging when she said it.  All of the grown ups need to get up over their own hurt feelings and decide if they really love Selena the way the say they do.  Because if they do, Mom should not care about support and Dad should not care about paying it!!!  UGH!!!  It frustrates me so much!  My ex husband and I have four children.  He is court ordered to pay much more than I am getting.  But it benefits my kids far more for him to see them than for him to be imprisoned and the kids visit him in jail!!  Plus if he were in jail...I get no financial support!  I would never put my children through the things that my current husband's ex is putting my step son through!  I would never put my ex or his wife through what we are going through.

It is a growing problem that women hold the upper hand in the court room!!!

I say all this as a mother, a women, an ex and a wife!!

I am still so ANGRY!!!

 
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October 31, 2007, 10:25 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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What were the two things that Dr. Phil said he never gets the child involved in?  Discussing adult issues with the child and I can't remember the other one. Anyone? Thank you

 

Also I think that it was criminal of that dad to stop the relationship with Selina that he had, just because he found out that he wasn't the biological dad. He was the only dad she knew and loved. Hopefully they can rekindle their relationship because every little girl needs their dad. Biological or not.

 

I can understand the frustration about the child support, but that should not stop him from loving her and taking care of her emotionally. Shame on Marie for doing that to both of them. She is to blame the most.

Never hold a child responsible for something he or she cannot control.

Never ask a child to deal with adult issues! 

 
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