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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 31, 2007, 10:27 am PDT

I was thinking the same thing...

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Yes I agree with you Mia needs to stay out of it!!!  She is hurting that little girl with all of her hateful words and she must have never been a mother otherwise she wouldn't be saying the things that she has been saying. She stands up for her husband but who stands up for the child???

I agree that Mia does not seem like she is a mother.  I haven't read all of the posts...and don' t know if this came out in them or not....but I don't see how ANYONE who is a mother could allow that little girl to go through what Selina is experiencing.  Does anyone know?  Does Mia have children?   I am also very angry at Maria....but Enrique needs to "grow a set" and stand up to BOTH of these domineering women.

 

Even if Selina isn't his...there is absolutely NO QUESTION that she is the innocent victim and needs compassion from all sides.  If Mia is trying to score "new wife" points...she is going in the wrong direction.  I've been there.

 
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October 31, 2007, 10:39 am PDT

Yes, I am a mother!

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Yes I agree with you Mia needs to stay out of it!!!  She is hurting that little girl with all of her hateful words and she must have never been a mother otherwise she wouldn't be saying the things that she has been saying. She stands up for her husband but who stands up for the child???
I am a mother and I have a 5-year old grandson. If my daughter had lied about the paternity of her child, I would have done the same thing! I believe that my daughter and grandson have a right to know where they came from and also medical history. It was my very wise 24-year old daughter who talked me into telling the truth. She brought it up to me after meeting Selina and insisted that I tell. That's the truth!
 
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October 31, 2007, 10:40 am PDT

Hi Christab

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Enrique's loyalties are with his WIFE as they should be.  Not with his old family, ex-wife or HER daughter.  Mia is NOT an outsider, she is his WIFE.  They are a team and they eachothers FIRST priority.  She has a right to a say in EVERY part of his life.  He chose to marry her and he WANTS her opinion.  I am so happy for him that he now has a beautiful decent wife that he can be proud of instead of that rag Maria.

I wish there were more men out there like Enrique!!!!

Thank you for your kind and wise message!

Mia
 
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October 31, 2007, 10:53 am PDT

read it again!

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The money goes to offset some of the expenses the mother is paying for the child. She is paying for everything! The father's support is supposed to help pay for the child's portion of the rent, power, transportation, and general care. If they lived as a family, the father would be paying much more that the avarage child support order. This support isn't just for diapers and baby food! If the child support is supposed to free up some of the mother's money. If she uses that money to do something for herself, GREAT!
I agree that the money is suppose to offset expenses. NOT PAY FOR EVERYTHING! talk to me when you and your husband work fourty plus hours a week to not just support his child (rightfully so), but support his mother, step father, and three other children that no one is taking care of! She needs to get of her a** and so does her husband and support the rest of their family.
 
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October 31, 2007, 11:10 am PDT

She screwed up

That mother screwed up big time.  Even if she didn't know for sure, you can't tell me she didn't have her suspicions.  Expecting the father to ask if the baby was his and to get all questions cleared up within 2 years is also screwy.  If my husband had asked me if he was our daughter's father, I would have smacked him!  Married couples are supposed to trust each other.  That mother broke the trust!  I agree that Enrique behaved poorly when he told the girl about it in the park, that was a very poor decision.  My opinion is that Enrique should not have to pay any further child support and should get back whatever he did already pay.  If he wishes a relationship with the girl, he should be able to maintain/develop one (if Celina wishes), without the mother's interference (she's already done enough!) but he shouldn't be financially responsible.  The mother, if she needs child support, should be chasing the biological father.  It's HIS responsibility.  I know Dr. Phil puts the child first in all situations but, in this case, I put Enrique first.  I realize Celina was emotionally hurt but she does seem to have quite a grip on it now.  So now it should be about money and the mother should pay it back and get no more from Enrique.  And his name needs to be removed from the birth certificate!  The mother should get that done right away.
 
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October 31, 2007, 11:12 am PDT

2 Rules

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What were the two things that Dr. Phil said he never gets the child involved in?  Discussing adult issues with the child and I can't remember the other one. Anyone? Thank you

 

Also I think that it was criminal of that dad to stop the relationship with Selina that he had, just because he found out that he wasn't the biological dad. He was the only dad she knew and loved. Hopefully they can rekindle their relationship because every little girl needs their dad. Biological or not.

 

I can understand the frustration about the child support, but that should not stop him from loving her and taking care of her emotionally. Shame on Marie for doing that to both of them. She is to blame the most.

1) Never make a child responsible for things over which they have no control.

2) Never involve a child in adult discussions.

 

That is how I recall it anyway.  Correct me if I am wrong y'all.

 
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October 31, 2007, 11:13 am PDT

The truth!

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First....Maria is dead wrong for what she did to Enrique.  I think that 's obvious.  But MIa will have to someday face the consequences of her actions.  I, too, am a step mother to children whose biologiical mom did some very hurtful things.  I could have easily started a war with the ex and tried to control the situation.  But the ONLY true casualty of that war would have been the children.  Mia had an opportunity to  be a healer, a peaceamaker, a supportive  stepmother, a compassionate wife, a DECENT HUMAN BEING. 

 

But she is SO controlled by her hate for Maria that she has taken a "win at any cost" stance.  Enrique is obviously a man who does not make decisions for himself, and allowed Mia to lead him into this battle.

 

After  the show, Mia may feel like she "won" because so many were mad at Maria (myself included). 

But after the cameras stop rolling and the national glare is off of this situation, her manipulative and bitter approach to this family crisis will probably have severe consequences  - for MIA.  if she and Enrique survive this scandal intact, it will not be because she took the high road...it will simply be luck. 

 

Had I taken the same approach as Mia with my step children and the ex.......I could not have held my head up and looked myself in the mirror (or gone on national tv).  As many, many times as I wanted to "destroy" the ex....I was able to keep my mouth shut and my heart open....and my step children are happier and healthier because I put their needs before mine.  C'mon Mia.......GROW UP AND THINK OF SOMEONE BESIDES YOURSELF.  that little girl deserves better than this........

No matter who you believe is at fault here, we need DNA testing at birth to prevent these types of situations. Call or write your representative and let them know your thoughts on the topic!

I stand by my decision to tell Enrique my thoughts. I don't feel any obligation go cover for someone else's lies.

Thank you all for your posts. It certainly is very thought provoking!

Mia
 
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October 31, 2007, 11:14 am PDT

TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE IT RIGHT

TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!!!  THE WICKED STEPMOTHER SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HERSELF!!!  THINGS COULD OF BEEN HANDLED DIFFERENT.  THE FAMILY WAS ALREADY MADE.  BLOOD OR NOT.  THE FATHER SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF.  HOW COULD YOU RAISE A CHILD THAT LONG AND JUST THROW HER IN THE GARBAGE???  THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE DONE!!!!  I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CHILD IF YOU HAVE PROOF THAT IT ISN'T YOURS.  I DON'T BELIEVE IN HURTING CHILDREN THE WAY YOU HAVE DONE.  IT ISN'T THE CHILD'S FAULT AND SHE IS THE ONLY VICTIM AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 
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October 31, 2007, 11:15 am PDT

I have a 24-year old daughter and grandson.

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I agree that Mia does not seem like she is a mother.  I haven't read all of the posts...and don' t know if this came out in them or not....but I don't see how ANYONE who is a mother could allow that little girl to go through what Selina is experiencing.  Does anyone know?  Does Mia have children?   I am also very angry at Maria....but Enrique needs to "grow a set" and stand up to BOTH of these domineering women.

 

Even if Selina isn't his...there is absolutely NO QUESTION that she is the innocent victim and needs compassion from all sides.  If Mia is trying to score "new wife" points...she is going in the wrong direction.  I've been there.

If my daughter were in a similar situation, I would encourage her to be honest!

Thanks for your posts!
Mia
 
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October 31, 2007, 11:19 am PDT

OLD family?

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Enrique's loyalties are with his WIFE as they should be.  Not with his old family, ex-wife or HER daughter.  Mia is NOT an outsider, she is his WIFE.  They are a team and they eachothers FIRST priority.  She has a right to a say in EVERY part of his life.  He chose to marry her and he WANTS her opinion.  I am so happy for him that he now has a beautiful decent wife that he can be proud of instead of that rag Maria.

I wish there were more men out there like Enrique!!!!

As an adult child of divorce myself I have never heard ANYONE call me, my sister and 3 brothers my dad's old family.  I would guess that you are either very young or the NEW  wife (or both.)   Trust me any decent man's loyalty continue to lie with his children after a divorce.  You might hope for more men like Enrique but I hope for fewer stepmoms like you.
 
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