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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 31, 2007, 1:19 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Quote From: cissie88

I can't tell you what I would do about the child support. But whatever you do, DON'T be the one to tell your daughter she's not yours ALONE. Have a talk with your ex and tell her that Heather has a right to know the truth. You BOTH need to tell her before she finds out on her own. Because when more than one person knows a secret, then it's not really a SECRET anymore. I can't blame you for your trust issues, but there are some truly wonderful women out there. Just keep looking and maybe one of them will find you. Good Luck!
I agree that the mother has committed fraud and the crime should be punishable.  Women should be held responsible and not use innocent men. I think you should have a licence to have kids for more reasons that just this one! I agree with the reply that BOTH should tell the child, if they can agree on at least that.  Child support should not be paid.  Perhaps the trapped father should ask an expert on how to approach if the mother won't confess her sin to her child. I don't agree with Gloria - she sounds like she represents a lot of 'loser' women if she is sticking up for the mother.  It's pure logic:  The mother has an affair and gets  pregnant - the mother is accountable financially in addition to parentally.  I like the DNA test suggestion - that should scare some women into being honest women.  I don't have any first hand experience in any of this nor do I know anyone personally that has - I just have a firm opinion and am an honest, responsible woman. 
 
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October 31, 2007, 1:19 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

 Seems as though the main problem here is the money.  Everyone is going on about the child support and how Enrique is a "victim".  Yea he lost out on money paying support for a child that wasn't his however, money can be remade.  The man is in the medical profession so he isn't hurting by any means.  What was lost was the relationship between "father" and "daughter" and that may never be remade.  Enrique had 10 great years with a girl he presumed to be his daughter, she even picked up on habits and traits of his even though they weren't biologically connected they were emotionally connected.  Since when is money worth losing that?

The mother is to blame for this mess and that will be between her and Selina to deal with.  Enrique acted on emotion and as an adult he should have been able to put his pain aside for a girl he thought of as a daughter, you can't tell me that a DNA test automatically erases love.  That is between he and Selina to deal with.  People accuse the girl of being coached by the mother but how can the girl be coached about the actual pain she must of felt when she was told she wasn't his daughter and then abandoned while Enrique still carried on a relationship with her sister.

Maria is responsible for her role in cheating and lying but Enrique is equally responsible for how he dealt with it and treated Selina.  He CHOSE to push her out so he could show the courts that he wasn't emotionally involved so he didn't have to pay child support any longer to the courts.  I wonder how both of these people (Maria and Enrique) will feel about the money aspect if Selina developes emotional issues later on in life because of this.
 

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October 31, 2007, 1:21 pm PDT

What?

I cannot believe the socialist views of Gloria Allred.  It is not the responsibility of anyone who is not the father or parent of a child to be forced to pay child support.  Mr. Carnell Smith was correct in that he shouldn't be obligated to pay.  Given what I saw of this man of integrity, I'm sure that his relationship with his "assumed" daughter would not end because of the test results.  In fact, he should be given custody and receive child support from both the mother and the real father.

 

There needs to be harsher penalties for such criminal acts to incite the correct behaviour of these women who are in affect stealing from these men.  Jail time would make these women think twice.  Bottomline our society is turning into a bunch of whining socialists who want something for nothing.  I believe that citizens of the US should be required to travel overseas to see why we are so lucky.  Those people who whine, can leave the US.  There is a difference between charity and government programs.

 

 
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October 31, 2007, 1:27 pm PDT

Unbelievable!!

I cannot believe that  a woman could actually take money from a man who did not father her child and then try to justify it. He would not have been in this situation to begin with if she had been honest from the start. I do not think that he handled the situation right.  I think she knew that she would get more money from him because he is a doctor. I think that she should have to pay back all of the money that she has taken from this man.
 
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October 31, 2007, 1:31 pm PDT

Just not Right

You know the biggest problem isn't  just them take money for their kids and lieing about it....but what happens if the kid get sick and needs a kidney mom wont work so you go to the dad who she knows isn't the dad.....if she would have been honest from the start the child may have a chance but sinse the real dad was not made aware of the child til this has accured he's know were to be found.....

 

Look I'm a woman myself and I've found that the law really doesnt work for the men when it comes to kids and that's not rite...I have a son myself and I dont care what  it cost nor if he's married or not he will be tested (for any kids he's told is his) before he puts his name on any BIRTH CERT.  

 

That's the life we're in now.....SO SAD....

 

I feel that the law should be made for the kid when it comes to child suppot....meaning both parents should pay at the sametime........a percent should go to their household and personel need and the rest should be put in  a fund for that child when it turns 18yrs..... for school or them starting their life on their own....but it should be their decision....not everyone is made for college......

 
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October 31, 2007, 2:06 pm PDT

What about dad

i have listened to all of this before, connection to the child, it's her fault it, the best interest of the chid. This

happened to me before. I took care of the child for 6 years. The mom forgot to inform me that she was seeing another man. We were living together, so silly me for not asking if i was the dad. In court the mom said i should never assume. Luckly i got out of paying child support after i found out. But the other 2 guys she claimed was the dad didnt get off so lucky...one still is paying. I still think the husband was right. it's wrong for him to pay for her lay.  and you know the old saying........momma baby...daddy's maybe

 
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October 31, 2007, 2:08 pm PDT

GOOD!!

Quote From: christab

I am not a step mom.  I would never date a man with children.... because of children like you seem to be.

I agree you and your siblings are not his old family BUT,  honey, his FIRST priority is to his current wife. 

That is just how it is.  They are equals.  You are his CHILD.  Children don't get the status that is reserved for spouses.  If YOUR father did it differently, then I am sorry to say, that is probably why you believe the way you do and he did a diservice by you.  Sorry about that.

It is good that you won't date a man with children.  We never asked my mother or father to put us first or second.  We knew that they loved us and in spite of their divorce they were always there for us.  The woman that my father dated enjoyed our company as well.  She did not discard us as "out with the old and in with the new!"

 

I am 45 and my father is dead.  I am not a child.  I have 5 children of my own. They are our priority. 

 
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October 31, 2007, 2:44 pm PDT

shame on maria

i cannot believe she lied to her husband and daughter both all that time. she should be ashamed of herself, i cant believe she got another man to even marry her. what man in his right mind would even want a woman like her? she blames her ex husband for stopping visitation with selina but what the hell does she expect? she dropped a big bomb on him telling him she really wasnt his daughter. he is only human. it is all marias fault, all the pain selina feels and her ex husbands pain. maria said her ex husbands wife was evil, oh please, the only evil one i saw on the show was maria.
 
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October 31, 2007, 2:46 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Quote From: christab

Actually, Mia is scoring LOTS of "new wife points"  with HER husband.  He likes it AND he likes her and her BALLS. Who are you to say what he should do?

 

Who cares wether MIA is a mother or not???  What does that have to do with ANYTHING??  And you know what, YES...she is a mother...she is a STEP mother!!!  I am willing to bet that in her role she is doing a better job by her husbands daughter AND Selina than their BIO mom EVER could!!!  Mia is an HONEST person...YOU CANT SAY THE SAME FOR MARIA NOW CAN YOU!!!!

 

Why shouldn't Mia stand up for her husband???  They are a TEAM.

 

Mia, I am proud of you for taking a stand and not letting Enrique's crazy ex-wife bully you into taking a back seat regarding things that have to do with YOUR husband and therefore YOUR life. ;)

Mia is a trouble maker!
 
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October 31, 2007, 2:51 pm PDT

Forginess for all

The leaders of this nation of ours called America, are very fond of saying that this is a christian nation.  "Christian", means 'followers of Christ', and using the 'Christ Consciousness'. Jesus The  Christ taught forgiveness.  Why not forgive all people involved in this debacle. That includes all of us who posted items bashing one or more of the parties involved.
 
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