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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 31, 2007, 4:31 pm PDT

You said it

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 I just watched this show (thanks TiVo!) and while I am not usually compelled to go on to these message boards, this subject had me reeling.  There is no doubt this man was betrayed by his then-wife.  First with the affair, than with the lie that lasted for 10 years.

But what about the so-called father?  I have never been so disgusted with someone before.  This idea that who you can love is only dictated by biology is ridiculous.  I can sympathize with the shock, anger and sadness he must have gone through upon finding out his wife had lied and his daughter was not, in actuality, his.  But what I can't sympathize with was his incredibly rash decision to tell his two very young children exactly what happened and then callously throw Selena away without a second thought.  He may argue that it was much more difficult than that, but I would venture to guess that is exactly how it felt to poor Selena. 

Why didn't he, upon finding out this information, deal directly with his ex-wife?  Perhaps he shouldn't owe child support - perhaps he should contest that in court.  But why couldn't he continue his relationship with her and deal with the money issue away from Selena and with his ex-wife in a court of law?  He said he regrets to the core of his being the fact that he abandoned this girl.  But he's had three years to change that bad decision and he hasn't.  How much regret is in that?  What would ever compel a person to sign away their rights to a child they have loved as their own for 10 years?

I wish Dr. Phil had spent more time on those issues and less on the money aspect.  I would agree that this man should not be held financially responsible, because if there has to be a cut off somewhere legally, it seems a biological line would be the most black and white.  If a man marries a woman with a newborn and raises that child for 10 years and then they divorce, is he legally entitlted to pay child support?  No.  So I am not saying this man should be forced to pay money.  But from watching the show it seemed only two options were really highlighted - either full support in terms of time, relationship AND money, or nothing.  And the audience seemed to suffer from multiple personalities - clapping at everything argument.

So my point is that money aside, this man failed tremendously as a father and as a human being.  You love someone because of who they are and the relationship you share.  Not because you share DNA.  Shame on you for making an emotional issue a monetary one.  In the end, it is YOU who has lost out, and no amount of money in your savings account is going to change that.

 You could not have said it any better.I was compelled to come to this message board for that exact reason! We have a blended family.I have raised my step daughters for 12 years.Regardless if I was divorced tomorrow.These are my daughters,along w/my bio,they are my FAMILY.My love for them is never changing.I agree w/the financial part BUT truthfully I would help support these children to the day I die.Money is Nothing when it comes to love.

 My heart was crushed for this beautiful child.I felt so much anger for what was done to her.My personal assumption,which could be right or wrong,but I personally BELIEVE new wife had alot to do w/that as well.Remember she quoted how he follows what she SAYS & DEPENDS on that.SO where was she to lead him in the RIGHT direction.To heal his relationship w/Selina & make her feel loved NO MATTER what a piece of paper says.Saddening & shameful....

 
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October 31, 2007, 4:33 pm PDT

I feel for him and Salina

  I feel for both the child and her father.  Unfortunately there are millions of men who go thru this type of parent entrapment for years.  My husband is going through somthing similar.  We had a DNA test performed and it turned out that the child was not his.  What really upset me was the mothers' excuse.  She said that my husband had (still has) a job, wanted children and she knew that he would take care of the child.  Til this day my husband still has to pay child support (in actuality it is support for the mother, because she doesn't put the money on the child) and she thinks that the situation is funny.  Her attitude is that if I don't have it, why should you,( me the wife.).   I think that the system is completley messed up, these women knowingly sign these documents saying they are 100% sure there is no one else, and purposely mess up someone else life, because they want money.  The system puts deadbeat parents in jail every day for breaking the law of not paying child support, but it doesn't do anything to these con-artist women.  It is simply a mistake.  I don't think that society actually knows the ramifacations of what this does to families, or even cares.  It comes down to that almighty dollar.  Until everyone who has the power to change laws walks in these men's shoes, they will never really comphrehend the damages that it causes or leaves, in both emotional and financial tolls.
 
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October 31, 2007, 4:39 pm PDT

Good thing you dont date men w/children

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You ARE your father's child and THAT is what I meant.  I don't care how old you are. 

 

Children grow up and move away, your spouse is sopposed to be your companion not your kids.

 

Men with kids are used and always have way too many issues.  I was involved with one and did my charity work...it's not worh it.

 

Enrique's got his head on straight...He's listening to his WIFE.  Good man.

 

Mia and Enrique, if you're reading this...Don't bother with what some of these bean brains say, you follow your hearts and stick together...you'll be fine, you're successful and smart people, don't worry.

  We are parents to 8 children,a blended family.12 years strong and yes we are PARTNERS for the children sake BUT our job is to protect our children regardless,it is a package deal or NO DEAL.We do not pick each other OVER our children.We communicate & deal together FOR our children.Children come first,noone you meet or bring into their lives should EVER be chosen over them. I love my husband BUT if I do not consider my children EQUAL ,not before or after then not only does that make me immoral BUT that makes me a BAD parent.

 If someone chooses their partner over their children,that were here before them then sorry to say,that is one weak person.....and a failure,as a protector and nurturer of their children.SO be it,the choice you make.Dating men only w/out children,but I have to wonder,is that because you are too selfish too share that love & want NOONE before you.Love is sacrifice,seems you have no time for....

 

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October 31, 2007, 4:56 pm PDT

this makes me sick

As a woman, I have to say that the "lady" on the show sets us all back thousands of years. I believe that being a father and being a dad are very differrent things. I believe Enrique had the right to be told upfront that there was a possibility the child was not his, and been allowed to form a bond, or not, from that information. I don't think he severed ties from the child because he didn't love her, I think he was probably so hurt and angry that he acted in haste. I strongly disagree that just because his name is on the birth certificate that he should have to be forced to financially support a child he did not father. If he chooses to so be it, but if she had been up front in the beginning, he would have had the choice to put his name on the birth certificate and then there would be no trap. And to say "he never asked" is ludacris. Why would he ask if he had no idea she went out of the marriage? That makes no sense.  I feel very sorry for the young lady, she will have trust issues for the rest of her llife if she doesn't get help.  I hope her sorry excuse for a mother is getting that help for her.
 
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October 31, 2007, 4:58 pm PDT

Walk a mile in their shoes

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You're exactly right. Her views are outrageous and radical.
I agree with you.  I think that if people like Gloria Allred would walk a mile in some ot these mens shoes she would not be so quick to say the things that she says.  It is about the children, but I think that Salina mother was 100% wrong and she should be accountable for her fraud.  My husband and I are in the exact same situation, well he wasn't married to the woman, and has never been able to father any children.  He took this woman at her word, signed the documents and cared for the child as his own.  Turns out a DNA test proved otherwise.  Her response:  He had a job, I knew he wanted kids and that he would take care of her.  He doesn't have anything to do with the child (she is 6), but he still is paying child support although the DNA said different.  She openly admits she knew what she did and that she would do it again and again.  I think that Child Support Laws would change if law makers or their children were placed in a similar situation.  I think that even judges would change their tunes.  Support is suppose to be about the kids, however, most women spend on themselves and their spouses/boyfriends and the child never sees a dime.
 
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October 31, 2007, 4:59 pm PDT

Dr, Phil, I'm disappointed

Dr. Phil, I can't believe that you didn't try to help this guy get some kind of justice. Instead, you made him feel like he was the bad guy for reacting the way most people that have been betrayed, lied to, and deceived for so long would react. I agree that he reacted in anger and responded the wrong way by alienating Selina from his life but I can't say that I blame him. I'm surprised that you didn't make this woman see how wrong she was in living this lie. Not only did she hurt him but SHE is the one that caused her daughters pain. She has lived a lie and gotten away with it and she was so smug about it to. I wanted to reach through the TV and slap her myself and I am not a violante person. I usually don't scream at my TV but I was that day. Please, tell us on another show why you choose to handle this the way you did. You hardly even spoke to the woman that CAUSED all of this turmoil in her daughters life. Not her x. I just can't believe what I saw. It was close to Halloween was that someone else in a Dr. Phil costume?
 
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October 31, 2007, 4:59 pm PDT

What??

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  We are parents to 8 children,a blended family.12 years strong and yes we are PARTNERS for the children sake BUT our job is to protect our children regardless,it is a package deal or NO DEAL.We do not pick each other OVER our children.We communicate & deal together FOR our children.Children come first,noone you meet or bring into their lives should EVER be chosen over them. I love my husband BUT if I do not consider my children EQUAL ,not before or after then not only does that make me immoral BUT that makes me a BAD parent.

 If someone chooses their partner over their children,that were here before them then sorry to say,that is one weak person.....and a failure,as a protector and nurturer of their children.SO be it,the choice you make.Dating men only w/out children,but I have to wonder,is that because you are too selfish too share that love & want NOONE before you.Love is sacrifice,seems you have no time for....

Why would I, or anybody else for that matter, intentionally get involved with someone who wouldn't put me first in their life?

 

You bet your @ss I'm not selfish..I JUST KNOW MY WORTH and it is not to be second to anybody.

 

I am pretty sure that even Dr Phil said somewhere that the marriage comes first.  If it doesn't, everything else fails because there is no foundation.

 

So you go a head and put your kids first and I'm sure we'll see you and your soon to be ex-husband on Dr Phil a few years from now talking about how you don't know where it went wrong.

 

Mark my words.... 

 
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October 31, 2007, 5:15 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I think that women who play these type of games SHOULD be put in jail or fined like they would do if a man was not paying child support. It is wrong. I don't want to hear all the "best interest of the child" crap. That is a bunch of garbage. I was almost a paternity fraud victim myself. DNA can get an innocent man off death row but the courts will do nothing to bring a fraudulent mother to justice. The best interest of the child would be to tell the damn truth from jumpstreet. If that man then chooses to be in that child's life, then that should be his choice, not some lying, deceving woman.
 
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October 31, 2007, 5:16 pm PDT

Paternity fraud case

I'm so tired of these woman using the children as a pawn to obtain money. My Husband and I are in the midst of a Paternity Fraud case and she and the Bio Father are married and still the man refuses to step up to the plate and take responsibilty. These women are commiting fraud. Dr Phil, it seems you sided with the child and the Mother on mondays show because the Father cut his relationship off with the child. Guess what, that is what the courts expect you to do. Because my Husband did not cut his relationship off with his child its being held against him.  This is a no win situation for everyone except the Mother who committed the fraud.  There has to be laws in place in each of the states  to protect men and children from the harm these woman cause.  Also, why is it that no one has held any of these women accountable for comming adultry?  When my Husband tried to list that as the cause for divorce in the state of  PA he was advised the courts don't care about adultry.     
 
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October 31, 2007, 5:32 pm PDT

daddy's gift

I'm feeling very lucky here.  When I was 25, I learned that my legal father is not my biological father.  (I can't imagine having to hear that at 10!)  My legal father still doesn't know that I know.  The thing is, he would never tolerate a claim that I'm not his.  I know that he would really want to hurt my mother, but he would never let go of me.  My mom had a stepfather that loyal, too.  Guess I didn't appreciate how rare that is.
 
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