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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 31, 2007, 5:36 pm PDT

Enough is enough

I think that there should be a law that mandates women in situations like these pay back the monies that were received. I think it is then up to the deceived party to decide where that money should go, e.g., a college fund, downpayment for a house, etc. The biological fathers should then be required to pay for their child(ren). Maybe laws like these will deter both men and women from cheating.
 
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October 31, 2007, 6:36 pm PDT

Makes me sick!

I have no respect for any of the people in this mess.

The Bad Parenting Award for 2007 goes to Maria.  Seriously!    Bad bad bad.   Maria, please don’t embarrass yourself any further.  Let it go.  You lied.  The gravy train has come to an end.  He doesn’t need to pay anymore. 

But not to be upstaged in the bad parenting arena is Enrique!  WOW.  Is this guy for real?  He seems so spineless.  No wonder Maria doesn’t have any respect for him.  There he is letting his wife do ALL the talking for him.  How dare you destroy that little girl’s life! What a vile little man!  He came to see one child and not the other.  Deplorable.   He is almost just as bad as Maria.  If not worse.

 And then there is Mia.  Please shut up and sit down!  This is NOT ABOUT YOU!  Why is she even speaking???  How can this woman live with herself knowing she instigated this atrocity!  That girl lived for more than 10 years with a Dad she loved, and then it’s all gone!  I’m a grown woman and I don’t think I have the tools to deal with that.  Imagine what a child must think?!  Mia got the ball rolling.  One must question her motives.  Does she want money, or is this a personal vendetta agains the ex, maybe a ploy to engraciate herself with her husband.  Who knows?  Sends chills down my spine!

I don’t know who is worse! I wanted to jump thru the TV and strangle them all.   

One more thing, Mr Smith… YOU ARE NOT A VICTIM.  You were just asleep at the wheel.  If an ex tells you that she is pregnant and you go ahead and pay child support without the benefit of a DNA test…well, VICTIM is not the right word to describe you.  It is not the law’s responsibility to investigate whether or not you have bad taste in women, or whether she is truthful.  That is your responsibility.  You had the right to request a DNA test.  If you didn’t, lie in the bed you made. 

To drive a car you need to spend hours at a DMV, read a book, practice and get a license.  Just anyone can have kids! 

 
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October 31, 2007, 6:43 pm PDT

Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong

I was totally appalled by the smug attitude of the mother.  She took advantage of a man that loved her child.  I WANT TO MAKE ONE THING CLEAR, I DO NOT THINK THE FATHER DID THE RIGHT THING!  I believe that he would do it different if he could now.  If you have never been there you can not imagine the pain, anger, and embarrassment a man feels that has been lied to about this.  I know the father acted out in anger and I do not believe he acted in the best interest of the child.  That said I think we need to talk about the one person that knew the truth all along.  I was offended by the smug look and nodding of the mother!  She was not willing to take any blame for this very sad situation.  If she really wanted the best for her daughter she should be willing to put the money aside and discus the emotional well being of the little girl.  I do not believe that a man should be financially responsible for a child that is not his.  I do believe that the man should have the option to still be a father to the child and provide financial support as he feels he should.  If in fact the mother (mothers)  has the child's best interest at heart she should be willing to take the financial burden and allow the father to freely give the love and emotional support to the child.  Wrong is Wrong!
 
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October 31, 2007, 6:48 pm PDT

A Men !

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I think that there should be a law that mandates women in situations like these pay back the monies that were received. I think it is then up to the deceived party to decide where that money should go, e.g., a college fund, downpayment for a house, etc. The biological fathers should then be required to pay for their child(ren). Maybe laws like these will deter both men and women from cheating.
This is the right thing to do.  Why should good fathers suffer for bad mothers?  The mother is the only one that has the option of who the father is.  The father must live with faith.  Faith, why must a man be penalized for it.
 
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October 31, 2007, 6:51 pm PDT

Thank You. Thank You. Thank You!!!

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First....Maria is dead wrong for what she did to Enrique.  I think that 's obvious.  But MIa will have to someday face the consequences of her actions.  I, too, am a step mother to children whose biologiical mom did some very hurtful things.  I could have easily started a war with the ex and tried to control the situation.  But the ONLY true casualty of that war would have been the children.  Mia had an opportunity to  be a healer, a peaceamaker, a supportive  stepmother, a compassionate wife, a DECENT HUMAN BEING. 

 

But she is SO controlled by her hate for Maria that she has taken a "win at any cost" stance.  Enrique is obviously a man who does not make decisions for himself, and allowed Mia to lead him into this battle.

 

After  the show, Mia may feel like she "won" because so many were mad at Maria (myself included). 

But after the cameras stop rolling and the national glare is off of this situation, her manipulative and bitter approach to this family crisis will probably have severe consequences  - for MIA.  if she and Enrique survive this scandal intact, it will not be because she took the high road...it will simply be luck. 

 

Had I taken the same approach as Mia with my step children and the ex.......I could not have held my head up and looked myself in the mirror (or gone on national tv).  As many, many times as I wanted to "destroy" the ex....I was able to keep my mouth shut and my heart open....and my step children are happier and healthier because I put their needs before mine.  C'mon Mia.......GROW UP AND THINK OF SOMEONE BESIDES YOURSELF.  that little girl deserves better than this........

You are sooo right!  I am nodding with every syllable of yours I am reading!  Mia is fighting so hard out of spite and hate that she doesn’t even see what she is doing.  She needs to be the soft place to land, not the mercenary with the fiery sword, out to right every wrong and evil in her husband’s prior relationship. 

This is HIS issue with HIS ex-wife and his daughter.  She is willing to cut of the nose to spite the face, so to speak.  She may very well be the worse one in the bunch because she is not directly involved and is pulling EVERYONE’S strings!

 

 
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October 31, 2007, 7:06 pm PDT

Enrique... please read

Enrique,

 

I could see the sincere remorse you showed about how you treated your daughter when you found out she was not your biological child. You are only human and were shocked, confused, and angry. Please seek professional help for yourself with BOTH of your daughters to try to fix this situation. I believe the relationships (yours with each of your daughters as well as between your daughters) will suffer if you don't.

 

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I can see beyond a shadow of a doubt that you love Selina and are sorry for your behavior. She needs to know that, whether or  not she's prepared to forgive you right now. I can't even imagine the pain and confusion you've suffered upon finding out she was not your biological daughter. I believe that someday she will see that pain and confusion and forgive you for the percieved abandonment. Just , please, please, don't make this about money. Don't prove Maria right. She is a liar and a fraud. Don't give her any more power than she's already stolen. Fortunately for me, I have the stetchmarks and pictures of birth to prove my parenthood ;o) I feel for you and wish you the best.

 
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October 31, 2007, 7:10 pm PDT

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I have no respect for any of the people in this mess.

The Bad Parenting Award for 2007 goes to Maria.  Seriously!    Bad bad bad.   Maria, please dont embarrass yourself any further.  Let it go.  You lied.  The gravy train has come to an end.  He doesnt need to pay anymore. 

But not to be upstaged in the bad parenting arena is Enrique!  WOW.  Is this guy for real?  He seems so spineless.  No wonder Maria doesnt have any respect for him.  There he is letting his wife do ALL the talking for him.  How dare you destroy that little girls life! What a vile little man!  He came to see one child and not the other.  Deplorable.   He is almost just as bad as Maria.  If not worse.

 And then there is Mia.  Please shut up and sit down!  This is NOT ABOUT YOU!  Why is she even speaking???  How can this woman live with herself knowing she instigated this atrocity!  That girl lived for more than 10 years with a Dad she loved, and then its all gone!  Im a grown woman and I dont think I have the tools to deal with that.  Imagine what a child must think?!  Mia got the ball rolling.  One must question her motives.  Does she want money, or is this a personal vendetta agains the ex, maybe a ploy to engraciate herself with her husband.  Who knows?  Sends chills down my spine!

I dont know who is worse! I wanted to jump thru the TV and strangle them all.   

One more thing, Mr Smith YOU ARE NOT A VICTIM.  You were just asleep at the wheel.  If an ex tells you that she is pregnant and you go ahead and pay child support without the benefit of a DNA testwell, VICTIM is not the right word to describe you.  It is not the laws responsibility to investigate whether or not you have bad taste in women, or whether she is truthful.  That is your responsibility.  You had the right to request a DNA test.  If you didnt, lie in the bed you made. 

To drive a car you need to spend hours at a DMV, read a book, practice and get a license.  Just anyone can have kids! 

At least Enrique is remorseful for his actions.

Mia has every right to speak. It is her husband who was being frauded. She instigated nothing. There would be nothing to instigate, as you call it, had Maria been honest to being with. I don't understand what people don't get....Enrique had every right in the world to know the truth, as does the child. I don't think she had motives.............just say she did though..................regardless if she did and it would make no difference..........either way, Enrique had a right to know.

Carnell was a victim. Carnell was just doing what was right.........he paid support and took a women's word for it........it has nothing to do with the law investigating the bad taste in women or whether she is truthful...........it has everything to do with a woman telling a man he is the father knowing good and well he isn't.

It does need to be the law's responsibility in investigating whether a woman is truthful.........and that would be by a DNA test.

 
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October 31, 2007, 7:12 pm PDT

Think of the Child

 
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October 31, 2007, 7:23 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Two years ago we found out the almost two year old twin boys we believed to be our sons were infact not.  Our family was crushed, but felt it was best at their young age to end contact and hopfully the mother of the boys would unite them with thier biological father and his family.  That did not happen and the man we suspected to be their father has since died.  We do not know if his parents are aware they may have these grandchildren, but have made a family member aware.  Horrible.  It was horrible.   The only way our son was able to get out from under paying child support for two children for 16 years was  the man she ended up marrying adopted them.  DNA tests should be mandatory.  Our son have no idea there was a possibility they might not be his.  I am thankful they were young enough they will never remember us.  I hope their mother grows up enough to know it is in the boys best interest to not involve them with our family in the future, but I fear that will not be the case.  She still tries to use our sons insurance for them and claims he "gave up his paternal rights", not bothering to add the DNA test proved he had no paternal rights to give up, only legal rights he should have never had in the first place.   To those of you who have never gone thru this, it's like anything else, don't be so quick to pass judgement --- you don't know how you will react.  Not seeing the boys we loved - our first grandchildern - from the moment we knew she was expecting, helped care for, snuggled, sang to, rocked, cried over when they were born 9 weeks early (found out later it was 4 weeks), loved - loved - loved is heartshattering - life changing.  Just two weeks ago we met up with someone who had not heard and asked about them, so we had to explain it agian.   Don't you dare pass judgement on us, pass it on their lying wench of a mother.

I agree 100%!
 
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October 31, 2007, 7:29 pm PDT

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You are a pathetic and bitter women your husband left you get over it (I can see why) Yes the child is a victim because her mother lied but so is Enrique and Mia. You never answered my question should the man's biological children be taken from to give to another child?? should they be forced into poverty to give to a non biological child? Why should they suffer put your own pathetic reasons on the back burner and stop contradicting yourself and put the children first remember ????

I agree, the childd is a victim and so are Enrique and Mia. He has paid a child who wasn't his and wouldn't have to begin with had he known.

So many men are forced into poverty and so many women use the children as pawns just to get child support. That isn't how it should be. A man should be able to provide for his new family and there is nothing wrong with that. He shouldn't have to support two households at an outrageous amount on one that isn't even his.

 
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