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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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November 1, 2007, 11:35 am PDT

what about...

Everyone keeps saying mothers who do this should be punished and fathers who don't know shouldn't have to pay:

 

What do you think we should do about father's who know that they are not (or may not be) the father but sign the birth certificate anyway (Or in a case where the man is married... he lets his name be left on th birth certificate-- married men can request a paternity test) THEN LATER COME BACK AND SAY THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW so that they can get out of paying CS?

 

That is not the case here but everyone is making generalizations and saying the mother should be punished but there are cases where the father knew and lived the lie... until he wanted out of the obligation.

 
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November 1, 2007, 11:38 am PDT

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I was very upset that Gloria Allred was saying that Enrique should pay child support. He had no idea that this wasn't his daughter. I don't blame him for anything because i couldn't imagine finding out 10 years down the road that a child that i loved dearly was not even mine. The pain this man must have felt. He could have went another way about it but all the blame should be on the mom. She knew and let this man love this child as his own for years. We have men now that want take care of there own kids and then we got people like Gloria talking trash and Maria who wants the good man to pay for the sorry man that she slept with. Enrique got no pleasure out of making Selina, but Maria must have thought that he was the better choice to raise her(Selina).
 
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November 1, 2007, 11:47 am PDT

Absurd

I was bothered very much by this show.

I know a man who had to fight his way through court after a paternity test proved  him not to be the biological father.  And that he no longer need to pay support.

Trough the whole process his family was devastated and home life disrupted.

 

The accusing mother was vicious and was trying to do exactly as Maria was.

 

I think it a criminal act to knowingly  accuse a man falsely of paternity.

And it seems like these mothers have any remorse for their actions.

I did not see Maria respond at all when the issue of morality or legality came up.


In my opinion she is a fool for trying to force the issue, especially in such a public way.

 

However I think Enrique is not totally innocent either.

Yes, he could have handled it better.

But the big issue is Maria's venom against this man, and the pursuit of her personal vendetta.

 

This kinda stuff is why millions of men in this country avoid the paternity and and child support system.

 

 

Maria is wrong, wrong, wrong!

 

 
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November 1, 2007, 11:56 am PDT

We're Enrique's Shoes

Unfortunately, my husband and I are in Enrique and his wife's shoes. I am the Step-Mom to three children and none of them are my husbands. My Hubby is raising two girls from his first wife that are not his and one boy from his second wife. None of the kids know, but it is hard to hide. They are all different in nationalities. The worst part isn't paying the child support, it is dealing with the attitude and threats from the ex's. I do feel that because my husband is raising these girls as his own, that the Ex's should be grateful and cut him a break on the financial demands. The second wife threatened to kill me and I have a protective order against. her. My hubby hasn't seen his "son" in two years because of her threats. The harassment is unbearable at times. The kids pay the price and one day will know the truth, however, how do you prepare for that day? How do I help heal my hubby's broken heart over not seeing a kid because of his mother? Also, This is all about the kids, but doesn't the REAL biological father have a right to know he has a child in this world? Doesn't the child have the right to know who their biological parent is and be given an opportunity to know them? What a mess this is. I think Enrique should resume visitation with both of his daughters and not be held financially accountable. I think if Selena has the desire to learn who her biological Dad is she should pursue it, but realize how much Enrique does love her. He was just as devastated as she was to find out that she wasn't his child.
 
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November 1, 2007, 11:59 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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At least Enrique is remorseful for his actions.

Mia has every right to speak. It is her husband who was being frauded. She instigated nothing. There would be nothing to instigate, as you call it, had Maria been honest to being with. I don't understand what people don't get....Enrique had every right in the world to know the truth, as does the child. I don't think she had motives.............just say she did though..................regardless if she did and it would make no difference..........either way, Enrique had a right to know.

Carnell was a victim. Carnell was just doing what was right.........he paid support and took a women's word for it........it has nothing to do with the law investigating the bad taste in women or whether she is truthful...........it has everything to do with a woman telling a man he is the father knowing good and well he isn't.

It does need to be the law's responsibility in investigating whether a woman is truthful.........and that would be by a DNA test.

Carnell was a victim alright.... of his own stupidity. He of all people should have gotten a DNA test. I certainly wouldn't just take my ex's word that a child belonged to me. IF they had been married I could understand him believing her, but they were not even seeing each other at the time. VICTIM no, SUCKER yes.
 
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November 1, 2007, 12:04 pm PDT

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Quote From: suthernthang24

You are exactly right. These people have obviously never seen what it does to a man. These people don't stop to think of the woman doing this:

"You all want to know why he never did anything about it sooner?  Because for years this woman beat him down to a place where he couldn't fight back.  She threatened parental alienation, once even telling him that she would make sure he never saw that child again.  His parents had not seen their granddaughter for about 8 years -- but gifts and money were always accepted."

I guess that's all okay for the mothers to do this, huh?

I agree with you 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Who made sure Enrique found out he wasn't the dad??? Dear old Mia.  If she would have kept her mouth shut and kept all her so called 'honesty' to herself.  Everyone could have gone on and had a happy life.  The nightmare she has brought on both Selina and Enrique goes on even beyond what the immoral mother did in the first place.  I am NOT defendingt her.  I agree she did the wrong thing.  But now instead of taking the high road for the sake of the child we have everyone wanting to be RIGHT in spite of the child.   This is the BIGGEST CRIME OF ALL!
 
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November 1, 2007, 12:22 pm PDT

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What is wrong with people today?  These are innocent, precious children....You talk about getting DNA papers as if these beautiful children are AKC DOGS......What, if the bloodline is right then you'll pay top dollar for this child.....And if the bloodline is crossed well then I don't really want to pay for this child.....Wake up people, let your heart lead the way......This baby knows absolutely nothing but Love you have to give to them.......They are an open book, fresh and clean, ready for you to fill their lives with Loving, Happy and Memorable times.......Show them all the Love , Trust and Patience that you have........Damn the DNA.....They are yours from the beginning,  show them this and the Love that will be returned shall be ENDLESS............Get it Together and Show all the Love this Precious Little One Deserves....Shasta...
 You are soooooo right!  What in the world is wrong with most of these people who just harp on the injustice done to poor Enrique, who has proven himself to be a complete wimpy louse?  If he had been defrauded out of some material thing I would yell the loudest for him, but not this.  He and his so called 'honest' 2nd wife should crawl back under their rock and stay there.
 
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November 1, 2007, 12:23 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I live in Alberta, Canada and I recently separated from my husband. It is mandatory that we each attend a parenting class upon separation. It is mostly common sense but basically it teaches us that this is about the children, not us. One topic covered was child support and an interesting fact emerged from this. A woman can claim child support from the biological father as well as the child's father figure. In this case, as shown on Dr. Phil, he had raised the child as his own for 10 years and is obligated to pay child support. The mother could also collect from the biological father. As well, I suppose, if she divorced the man that she is marrying (after a certain amount of time, I believe) he would also be obligated to pay child support. This may not seem "right" or "fair", however it is so. We must remember what is in the best interest of the child(ren) involved.
 

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November 1, 2007, 12:24 pm PDT

missed most of the show

I only caught the end of the show.  I hope I am able to see the whole show when it re-runs.  I enjoyed watching hired-gun attorney gloria allred being identified as such by a guest on the show.

 

One of hired-gun allred's famous clients is Amber Frey, who had a sexual relationship with scott peterson.  Peterson was convicted of murdering his wife and the fetus she carried.  Ms. Frey took risks to aid in the conviction of peterson, which is most commendable.  Ms. Frey was later exposed as a paternity fraud criminal.  Ms. Frey was represented by hired-gun allred when Ms. Frey was exposed as having DE FACTO robbed a man who was NOT her child's father by forcing the man to pay child support for a child that was fathered by someone else.

 

My opinion:  It is THEFT to make a man pay support for a child that he is DEFRAUDED into believing is his biological child.  Question to those who disagree:  Why don't YOU pay to support the child?  That would be in the child's best interests!

 
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November 1, 2007, 12:49 pm PDT

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Thanks, Jenn!
You want to give a character witness for your friend Mia.  Well tho we don't know her we saw her in action on the show and she did not come across as this kind, loving person you claim to know.  I recognize a diabolical person when I see one.  She is one of those people.  Kind, loving people do not start things that can ONLY end up with a child being hurt.  Diabolical people DO and then profess honesty and justice, trying to make themselves look good.  Where is the justice for the child?  Your friend is a fraud. She was as transparent as glass on the show.  With a friend like her you sure don't need any enemies.  Don't tell her any of secrets, you may cross her one day.
 
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