Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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November 1, 2007, 1:54 pm PDT

only sorrow for Selina

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Don't get me wrong, I feel sorry for the child too. I feel sorry for Enrique because he was lied to for 10 years about the child. You don't know how a man feels to find something out like this. And regardless, NO man should ever have to pay support on a child that is not their's, unless they knew what they were getting into to begin with, without being tricked or frauded.

Do you not think this child has the right to know her biological father? Do you not think the biological father has a right to know his child?? Do you not think Maria robbed both the child and bio dad of a relationship?? What about what Maria did to both of them, along with Enrique?

Where do you get that Mia is another lying defrauder? Seems to me, she is the only one who was honest about anything with him!

It has to be devastating to find out your child is not really biologically yours.  That is part of my point.  If I suspected something like this about my husbands child and these many years had past, I would not want my husband to suffer this pain and I certainly would not want the child to bear it.  So, I would just keep my thoughts to myself and carry on.  Let the two (father and daughter) continue on with their loving relationship. Let the child have a secure and loving life.

Yes everyone can know about his biology, but you don't thrust it on a 10 year old along with this kind of rejection.  Has everyone lost their mind???

We don't know a thing about the bio dad, he could have been some drunk she met in a bar for all we know.  Maria was immoral and she decided to keep her immorality covered.  I won't speculate on her motives be they good or bad.  She was bad and it would have been best to fess up, but she didn't so let us deal with the here and now.  There is a little 10 yr old girl who loves and needs the man she has called Daddy all her life.  This is why I as the 2nd wife would have kept my mouth shut.  Nothing good can come from helping someone devastate a child.

I call Mia a lying defrauder because she is lying to herself and about herself.  She continues to put a spin on what she did by opening this can of worms as something noble.......honesty and justice.  Good words when they are genuine, but they are hollow when she says them.  Where is the justice for the child? As for honesty, I am as much for honesty as the next person, but when your honesty devastates a child then quiet is preferred to honesty.  If your child is overweight and not too cute would you appreciate me saying to the child, "My you're a fat ugly child.  Oh I'm just being honest"?

She has defrauded Enrique and Selina out of a sweet father daughter relationship.

 
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November 1, 2007, 2:10 pm PDT

what is the price of your love?

I am the life-long step-mother of a thirty year-old daughter. Now I am the Grandmother to two of my daughter's children. Who are you people who can just drop your love for a child you raised? You are missing out on a treasrue that some people would die for. You have a child's love (Selena's) and you throw it away for a selfish witch of a step-mother who needs to keep all of the money to herself.

 

You are right, the mother Maria is criminal in her behavior, but you loved that child and that child loved you. And YOU Enrique, were not even her real Father. Imagine that! She loved you anyway! Without even carrying your blood she LOVED YOU! You are a weak and spineless Man who will let a new young wife ruin your family. I am sorry that you feel you got screwed. you did, financially. But what is that compared to what you had?

I am the happiest MOM and Grandma in the world and believe me I have paid financially, gladly! My daughter's own father disowned her because his present wife witch cannot bear to have "competition" for her love. Enrique grow up! what price does your love carry? Too much for either of your daughter's I imagine. Watch out because Mia will make sure that do lose the other daughter too. And really, why should Maricela ever trust you either?

 
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November 1, 2007, 2:15 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Thank you for your advice. I believe people are mirrors for eachother. We may mirror things that we do not like in ourselves and want to change, or perhaps things that we should really validate in us. I wish you much love and peace in your life.

Jenn :-)
 Thank you Jenn,  I do have lots of love and peace in my life.  I wish the same for you, and all the children of this world who are dependent on the  decency of us adults.
 
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November 1, 2007, 2:17 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Hmmm...what I believe is that women like Maria are afraid to tell the men that their child isn't theirs, because they are afraid that he is going to leave her, & her family, & that's what I can understand on. It also happened with Frankie & Gwen a few weeks ago (just titled "Frankie & Gwen"). I also have to say that women like her aren't evil creatures. True, what she did was wrong, but probably has a good reason, & that women do bad things just as the men, but they're definitely not evil. No matter what bad things they have done, I would never degrade women, like calling them awful names & such, because they're totally disrespectful. I also think that the man should continue to be in her life, just because he's been in her life for so long. If I was in the man's situation, I would continue to be there for the child, & support him/her. Should DNA matter? Absolutely not.
Women like that are now and through the centuries the mot evil and vile. There is NO good reason for adultery let alone paternity fraud. She was not to afraid to sleep with other men. Stop make excuses for whores like her. She and her adulterous partner should pay the sole burden. ANy adie form her ex hsuband should be totally voluntary
 
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November 1, 2007, 2:22 pm PDT

Torn

After watching the episode on "parent trap" I can understand both sides. I don't think that Enrique should have to pay child support. He shouldn't have cut his daughter out of his life, but he shouldn't have to pay for his wifes mistake. She should take some responsibility for once in her daughters life and find the biological father. It should not be Enriques responsibility nor burden to finance what she and her "friend" should be taking care of.

 
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November 1, 2007, 2:22 pm PDT

A shame to women everywhere

Dr. Phil made the statement that Enrique was the victim yet he was the main focus of the show.  His ex-wife was reprimanded, but that lasted a minute maybe while Enrique's mistakes were stated over and over again.  Then Gloria Allred the "high-profile feminist attorney," had the nerve to defend this woman's actions and again go after Enrique. It is very admirable that Gloria Allred does defend the right's of women, but please don't disgrace us by defending the actions of a woman who not only cheats on her husband, but allows him to raise the child without ever offering up the truth to him.  Then comes on the show and wants him to continue to pay for her mistake.  If it's about the child and not about money, shouldn't she be asking him to have a relationship with Selena rather than giving money. 

So if my husband has a daughter and I as her stepmother help support her, but unfortunately our relationship ends, do I then pay child support to him because I helped raise her for a number of years.  No, I don't think so.  We as women demand to be treated equally as men; then why is it when it comes to these kind of situations we put men on an uneven playing field? 

On this day, I am ashamed to be a woman! 

 
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November 1, 2007, 2:59 pm PDT

I Agree

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I strongly feel that if a man finds out that a child he has been raising or supporting is not his then by all means he should NOT be obligated to pay any further child support and should be able to sue the mother for all the money he did pay to her. Some woman these days are so greedy and malicious. It's not fair to men that truly work hard for their money to be a victim of fraud like this. HOWEVER, I do feel that the relationship between dad and the child should continue. There is a special bond that is grown between the two of them and that should not be lost.
I am in 100% agreement.  This mother should be sued for the child support payments she did receive from her unknowing husband/later ex-husband.  My sympathies are with any man in similar situations.  What this woman did to Enrique is called fraud.
 
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November 1, 2007, 3:00 pm PDT

I Agree

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I strongly feel that if a man finds out that a child he has been raising or supporting is not his then by all means he should NOT be obligated to pay any further child support and should be able to sue the mother for all the money he did pay to her. Some woman these days are so greedy and malicious. It's not fair to men that truly work hard for their money to be a victim of fraud like this. HOWEVER, I do feel that the relationship between dad and the child should continue. There is a special bond that is grown between the two of them and that should not be lost.
I am in 100% agreement.  This mother should be sued for the child support payments she did receive from her unknowing husband/later ex-husband.  My sympathies are with any man in similar situations.  What this woman did to Enrique is called fraud.
 
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November 1, 2007, 3:17 pm PDT

Disguisting Parenting

This show totally threw me for a loop!! I can't believe a mother would do this to her child!! I would love to know where the biological father is?? I felt so badly for the father and daughter. The father should continue to see the child but make the biological father pay for her!! So sad to see people hurt so badly by a lie!!
 
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November 1, 2007, 4:44 pm PDT

im a victim of paternity fraud

  Back in 1987 they didn't have DNA testing you believed the person or your mate!..   Your caught up in emotions and you dont think straight.  I was in a relationship we broke up and she started seeing someone else.  A month later she comes to me and tells me she is pregnant and the child is mine.  i questioned her about this and asked her point black are you sure its mine.  She told me yes!  I asked are you sure its not the other guy you have been seeing.  She tells me its not his,  he told her that because of an accidgent when he was a kid he couldn't have kids.

 

Because of my up bringing i was raised to dothe right thing and we got married in Nov 87.  The child was born April 88.  We seperated a month later.  She went back to the guy she was seeing before we got married.  In Aug 88 we got back together.  Sept we found out she was pregnant again.  WE were going to church and i was reaised to forgive and let it go.   We moved to Washington and started over.  We were both going to church and things were going great.  I was in a squadron and was going on DETS and wasn't home alot.  May 89 the second child was born.

 

I went on cruise Mar. 90  and thing went to hell in a hay basket.  While on cruise my wife at the time told me she had an affair.  I was devistated.  i cired myself to sleep for the next two months not knowing what i was going to face when i got home from cruise.  I wasnt getting any mail until the United States was involved in Desert Shield.  She wrote me told me she moved back to Washington and was sorry for what she had done.  Being a Christian your suppose to forgive and let go right?

 

Well  i got back two weeks late from the Cruise and two weeks later we fine out she was pregnant.  There were no laws saying you could contest the DNA back then.  Your married and thats the bottom iine.  The third child was born May 91.  We were seeking counseling thru our church but yet again i was not home much do to going on Dets with my Squadron.   My sqaudron was called out to the Gulf Oct 91 and i followed Dec 20th 91 i missed Christmas that year.

 

Now the last time i went on Cruise i was sending 2200 dollars home a month and kept only 200 for myself.  I did the same thing this time.  By Feb my wife at the time went to Red Cross told them that she didnt have any money.  They contacted my CO and he told me that if i didnt show him that i wasnt sending money home that he was put me in the Brig.  Luckily My LES showed i was telling the truth.  She proceeded to call my parents up and tell the she need money for a car payment they gave it to her what she forgot to tell the that the car was already repo'd.  She told them she didnt have any money for food and want them to send her money.  What the did was drove up to Washington to see what was going on.

 

my parents go up there to find her having a party and so she took  my parents to the store and they bought over 300 dollars worth of  food.  When they got back to put the food in the cupboards they were full of food she lied again!!!!  I got back from cruise in Mar 92 to find out that she put us back in debt and she had another affair agian!

 

Now i wrestled with what to do.  my christian back ground was fighting against im pissed what am i going to do?  what can i do?  i did this for a year.  Finally i decided to get a divorce.  I filed Aug 93 and requested a petition for DNA.  The judge denied me the rights to DNA and verbally told me, " He wasn't going to make bastards out of these Kids.   Not only that, when  your married in the military you get other allowances such has BAQ, VHA, and COMRATS.  this pushed my monthly income to a litte over 2400 dollars.  Onvre you divorced the military only give you your base salary which was a little over 1400 dollars a month.  The base my support to her on what i was getting and not what i would be getting in a prelimary hearing.  1200 a month and i was to be ordered to take all the bills.  Let see 1415-1200 and take all the bills equals 0 and no life.

 

The only thing for me to do was to get back with wife and live a lie.   In 95 i got out of the service and we seperated.   in 96 i filed for divorce and being that laws didnt give me any rights and that a judge told me that i couldnt have DNA done in 93.  When i filed i didnt petition for DNA and because she was in a different state she didnt contest the divorce.  DEC 96 the divorce was finalized and jan 97 She sent our middle child to me.   Siad she couldnt handle her and that i need to take care of her.  i did so, put her in school and in to piano lesson.  After 6 months she started missing her mother and sisters.  i wasnt dating anyone and i ended up moving them all back up here cause she couldnt get along with her family.

 

Two years later cause i thought i was ding the right thing we remarried in Aug 1999.  I had been given a 30% disable score and was trying to get antoher thing out on my disability which if i was a proved they would have given me 20,000 in back pay well in the beginning of NOV i was denied and she started her affair with a guy that she is with to this day.

 

In Dec she tells me she is starting to have feelings for this guy in Feb 2000 she tells me i need to move out.  In March she tells me that she got flowers and a card saying there is someone thinking about you on your birthday.  I tell her you want him you got him im out of here.  I go back three days later with my parents to get my stuff waited till the kids went to school.  I didnt want any trouble just my stuff.  Well she calls the police and scince she has been working for the welfare office she goes to court that day and lies.  Tells the judge im on drugs and im and alcoholic and that i beat her.  She was granted the restaining order and wiht in two weeks her new boyfriend moves in.

 

Now being that i was disabled and were both going to school.  We were able to get into state housing.  Once i left she never told that state the he was living there.   Within a year she is in section 8 housing again she never told the state that he was living there.  Let me inform you this guy is a machinist makes over 20 and hour.  With in two years they are able to buy a house.

 

Now getting back to the kids.  She made it a living hell for me  to see them. for the first 3 months then when i filed for divorce Sept 2000.  My father had recently passed away.  She tired to tell her attorney that was getting money from the state.  My had to prove that i wasnt getting anything that they and a living will and that she was the sole beni.  this was the first time She tried to take my moms money.

 

Well in Dec 2000 i took it on myself to have DNA done.  i was informed my three attorneys that i didnt have to pay anything till i was ordered to. And by DADS.  I found out that The court system goes back from the time of filing.  With the swing of the gavle i was 7000 in debt.   Now in court i wasnt able to affrod an attorney and i tried to show proof that she was frauding the state housing and the child support.  SHe got money from the state for child care.  She split it with her neighbor.  I had witness and proof that many time the neightbot wasnt home and a mutual friend at the time was actually going to the house unlocking the door and letting the kids in and she would stay there until my soon to be ex wife got home.

 

In court i asked my ex wife not once, not twice, but three time.  isnt it true the everytime i went on cruise you would put me in debt and have an affair on me.  She denied it all three times.  this Judge, Judge wyaht tells me how dare you get this girl pregnant at such a young age take her out of school and do this to her.

 

The divorce was finalized FEB 5th and on the 20th i got the results back from the DNA.  I was sick to my stomach,  hurt, i cried and i was pissed all of the same time.  I found out that the oldest and youngest were not mine biologically.  i took this in for a few days and finally called my ex-wife and told her we need to talk in person.  she kept presisting that i tell her on the phone.  Finally i said one word "DNA"  she yells DNA OMG which two are not yours i found out later all three kids were standing right around her.   FOr the next 10 months she kept the kids from me and made it hard to have a relationship with them.  The courst say its in the best interst of the kids what they fail to see is most woman that have no morals use the kids as pawns.  due to my disabilities i wasnt able to keep a job but it was Aug and i was able  to start paying support in DEC right before Christmas she let me see them again.  i worked hard to build that relationship up witht he kids.

 

We fathers have hearts you know.  well two years goes by and well i was unemployed and now im 50% disabled and i went back to the court just to get my support reduced.  She obtianed an attorney and so did it this time.  Cost me 3000 when it was all over.  This time she told her attorney that i had access to my moms money cause i was living with her at the time and that it should be concidered as income.  my mom once again had to prove that i had no access to her income.  ONce and She tells the girls that i dont want to be there dad and thats why im taking her to court.  i went another 10 months without seeing them.  They believed her and were mad at me.  i havent had a real relationship with them for years now i can count maybe 4 years in all 2 years 93 to 95 and two years 97to 99.

 

TO this day its all aobut the money.   She would let me be but Since i got married everything has started up again.  Im over 20000 in back support.  the court doesnt care if your disabled they dont care if your not the real father or not they have someone that they can take money from.  i have had my liscence revoked twice now and reenstated.  How are you suppose to go to work if you dont have a car to drive.  They take 50% of your income once you do get a job.  Oh and your suppose to keep supporting the child if they go to college.  I know that if your married the government dont make you pay for your kids to go to college but they make madatory for fathers to.  What is sad its not that you dont want to support the kids but it the fact that your giving your hard earn money to an ex that was unfaithful to you and watch them waste the money on everything but the kids.  Oh then your suppose to drop everything and not only send the support money but help pay for school clothes and glasses and sports activities when is enough enough!!!!

 

 

 
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