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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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November 2, 2007, 10:39 am PDT

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Quote From: fromthesquare

My mother in law used to tell me (she has passed on) that I should never tell my kids that they were bad but that what they did was bad.  I found that to be one of her many pearls of wisdom.  Enrique is not a bad father but he did behave badly with both of his daughters.  I hope that Enrique can tell his girls that adults aren't perfect.  We make a lot of hasty or bad decisions and sometimes we hurt those we love. 

 

I saw the pain in Enrique's face as well.  He loves both of those girls.  He should be encouraged, for the well being of Selina and her sister, to make amends.  I realize what Enrique is up against.  We only had to put up with the ex wife for 40 minutes and we all wanted to scream.  Enrique- I hope you can continue on as parent to both of these girls- If I thought that you were a bad father I would not say that.

 

What about the money?  It has been the root of all of the the evils in this situation. 

 You make an interesting point.  You said "if I thought that you were a bad father I would not say that"
Why? Wouldn't it be your truth?  Why not be 'honest'?

Do you not see that is what is at the heart of this whole thing?  Mia had a 'thought' and she decided to 'say' it.  Consequently all this pain has ensued.  I have made many posts saying that Mia should have kept her thoughts to herself.
 
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November 2, 2007, 10:40 am PDT

MY POSTING SEEMS REPEDATIVE

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Doug,

I read at least one of your other posts, and really commiserate w/you.  I'm so sorry that you, Enrique, others who posted similarly, and the many other cases have/had to go through this.  This mess has to stop!!!

 

Since the states are not doing it properly, these cases will have to be handled at the national level--Congress, Supreme Court, U.S. Dept. of Justice, ??.  Congress won't touch it--they are too busy with other stuff (pork barrel funding, receiving from lobbyists, etc.); though they could legislate DNA tests at birth.  Write your U.S. Congressmen!!!  If your case or another similar could make it to the US Supreme Court, it would help every one in the future.  Then the Justice Dept. could go after or dictate States to go after fraudulent people.  I know this all sounds "pie in the sky", though it would be close to an ideal solution.  Apparently, as moral collapse continues, so does common sense, true justice, fairness, and traditional values.  Sad indeed.  But I know that one day this will stop...

 

Such a fight must be taking a lot out of you.  Eat well/healthy, take food supplements, get plenty of rest, do something positive for yourself (exercise, deep breathing, spiritual activity, positive thinking, i.e. that it will turn out right, etc., etc.).  Don't hate her (or anyone involved)--that will only manifest in your body.

 

Meanwhile, God bless you, Enrique and all others involved.

You are correct; congress will sit on their hands and silently bow out because this is not considered politically correct. I have worked with many members of the senate here in Michigan; In January of this year, I gave testimony to the entire senate in Lansing Michigan. Many may view my posting the same issues several times a form of self-pity or showboating to draw attention, could not be more incorrect, Its about creating awareness to me.

 

While lobbying congress is the path many seem to follow- In Changing laws, I choose a more direct avenue and that is to get this into the hands of the federal government. By experience in the family court of law, they have proven to me that no matter how a law is drafted, the abused discretion of a judge and lack of accountability gives too much leeway for improper rulings by opinion.

 

I am not just coming in this forum to pass time, I have fought this brutally for several years and see this as an opportunity for great exposure and pass on knowledge to those who do not deal with this issues on a daily basis. This is an extremely up-hill fight with the resistance from not only the state government but also society as a whole. I can tell you, I have spoken with Carnell Smith several times and he is a great asset to this fight, his heart is in the right spot. One depressing determination I have come to realize with the public, is if issues do not immediately affect them, they do not care failing to realize the next victim could be one of their direct family members or even themselves.

 

I left a career of over 20 years 2 years ago to get into the ring of fight, when engaging in a fight of this magnitude it can very easily become overwhelming, so I spend ample time with my present son who is 3 ½ years old as a reminder of what this fight stands for. If you hold any interest you can simply google Douglas Richardson Paternity fraud or Douglas Richardson WJRT Channel 12 news and see how much dedication it really takes. I filed my complaint with the Department of justice in February of this year and it just came to life a few weeks ago, it very difficult to garner their attention.

 

God Bless You, and thanks for the kind words, Enrique hang in their and kiss your wife as I know how much you have had to rely on her strength.

 

 

 

 

 

 
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November 2, 2007, 10:50 am PDT

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How does anyone know that she pressured Enrique into a test anyway? And, really, so what if she did? Is she supposed to cover for Maria and all her lies. I also find it hard to believe that this is the only thing Maria is guilty of? Come on people this lady is a con artist if I ever saw one. She has done much more than this and not got caught yet. She preys on the innocent and young.....like a vampire....she needs to go back to the hole she crawled out of and stop cheating everyone........She just upset cause Mia saw right though her like glass on snow....Anyway the majority of the board is on Mia, Enrique and Selina's side.
No one is going to defend Maria.  I'll say it again......Maria made the bomb, Mia made sure it went off!
 
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November 2, 2007, 10:55 am PDT

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Enrique acted badly no doubt about that!! But truth should be told at all costs!! If the truth had been told at the beginning of this charade, NOONE would have been hurt. Hiding the truth only causes pain!!

 

"you shall know the truth and the truth sahall make you free" jOHN 8:32

 

ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH PEOPLE!! GET IT!!

Okay.....so the next time you ask, "Do these pants make me look fat?"  I'll say,  "You look like the broad side of a barn in those pants and your hair looks like hell too>"  

 
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November 2, 2007, 10:58 am PDT

ladypat26

I've half read many of your posts and I'm not sure why or what your motivation is in tearing down Mia? All your messages only give me the impression that you have something personal against her, which you've made it very clear. Talk about living in the present, let it go. It's not your battle to fight. Everyone is entitiled to their feelings and she to her's. I don't think you can sit there and judge that what she did was wrong. Stop telling her what to do. It's her life, her husband, etc. NOT YOURS. I personally have lost any respect for you and will skip over all your posts. Let's remember this is only what you think and that does not make your twisted view the truth. What good can come from trying to discredit her and make her sound evil? She is a person like everyone else. Since you know so much about what to do why don't you use it to help people. I don't think your going to convince anyone of anything by attacking them and trying to make them feel bad. At least Mia has the courage and self esteem to help hubby and fight for human rights and truth! Which from the appearances of your posts, you are clearly lacking!
 
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November 2, 2007, 11:03 am PDT

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Maybe they didn't have DNA tests, maybe the courts refused for him to get one, maybe a lot of things......regardless that he didn't get a DNA test at the time......so what?

You do know it's the law that a man only has 2 years to contest paternity but a women has as many years as she wants to come back and go after a man for child support. Where's the fairness in that?

Carnell should have been able to take her word for it, that it was his child. So what if they weren't together at the time....he knew he had been with her. I'm sure at the time he wasn't thinking about it not being his child.

Funny how people think Maria crap is in the past and should be let go, but they are quick to bring up Carnell's ("oh he is stupid, he should have requested a DNA test") and Enrique's (oh, he is horrible, he abandonded his child).............isn't those things now in the past? Point being, mother's shouldn't lie about the paternity!

Go back and read ALL my posts on this. I NEVER said that I agree with Maria or what she did to Enrique wasn't terrible. What she did and how she acted on the show was despicable. I still feel that what Enrique did in telling Selina like he did and abandoning her was and still is WRONG. She was a CHILD and he was supposed to be an ADULT. He handled it all wrong. As for all the remorse he has shown well it's just too little and too late. Funny how YOU as a mother choose to ignore Selina's feelings and keep on railing about how unfair it is to Enrique. Lady, life ain't fair. But it's how you choose to handle  the unfairness you have been dealt that shows your true character. We all know how Enrique handled it, don't we?

As for Carnell HE SHOULD have asked for a parternity test as soon as that baby was born. So he had sex with the mother, that didn't make him the father now did it? Why should he have been able to take her word for it? I surely wouldn't take the word of an EX.  Point being, PEOPLE DO LIE.

 
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November 2, 2007, 11:08 am PDT

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Enrique DESERVED to know the truth, regardless of how he found out. Mia didn't break her husband's heart, MARIA did by cheating and lying to Enrique 13 years ago. He would not even be in this situation if Maria had been honest to begin with!

Enrique doesn't owe one dime in support, he was frauded. Maria should be sued and have to repay every red cent she STOLE from him.

There is no such word as FRAUDED. It is DEFRAUDED!!!
 
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November 2, 2007, 11:14 am PDT

HATE CAMPAIGN AGAINST MIA, NOT COOL!

I think everyone here understands the message that you have a personal vendetta again Mia.  It was so obviously your intention.  It sounds to me like you’ve had the whistle blown on you and you’re taking it out on Mia. I suggest that you stop bossing everyone around and telling them what you would’ve done in this situation.  It’s clear that you have stated your opinion.  Do you not see all the victims on the board who have been taken to the cleaners emotionally and financially by these cheating women.  The show was entitled “Parent Trap”, NOT “rapid dog evil ex wives run a muck and destroy husbands family”.  You are going away from the real issue here; paternity testing at birth; no DNA no pay; put people who commit fraud in jail!  Pretty much end of story. 

Oh and every child deserves to know the truth about their paternity.  Did you not read the posts from the children that had been lied to?  They were upset with their mother for “NOT TELLING THE TRUTH”.  THEY ALSO WERE NOT BLAMING THE SECOND WIFE (WHO IS ALSO A VICTIM IN THIS AS MUCH AS EVERYONE ELSE) the MOTHERS DECEIPT.  Consider giving all of us a rest and stop posting the HATE CAMPAIGN YOU HAVE GOING AGAINST MIA!
 
 
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November 2, 2007, 11:17 am PDT

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Quote From: ladypat26

 You make an interesting point.  You said "if I thought that you were a bad father I would not say that"
Why? Wouldn't it be your truth?  Why not be 'honest'?

Do you not see that is what is at the heart of this whole thing?  Mia had a 'thought' and she decided to 'say' it.  Consequently all this pain has ensued.  I have made many posts saying that Mia should have kept her thoughts to herself.
I'm glad Mia hasn't seen my kids. She would probably tell my husband our oldest son and our daughter don't look like him either. They don't !! They look like my side of the family, while our younger son looks JUST like him.  But they ALL are his biological children and I darn well know it. Even if they don't resemble him.
 
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November 2, 2007, 11:22 am PDT

Solution to Parent Trap

Clearly no one here is completely without fault , except Selina, and everyone hurts in this scenario. My suggested solution is twofold:

1.  Enrique actively begin to restore the relationship with Senila,

2.  Establish, and contibute to regularly,  a trust fund for Selina to receive at age 18 or 21.

 

This would keep her mother out of the picture, but provide some emotional healing for Selina and Enrique. They need each other in ways they do not yet realize.

Elizabeth M.

 
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