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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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November 5, 2007, 5:32 pm PST

10/29 Parent Trap

How very Tragic for the whole family....However,  how disgusting for that mother to do such a thing...She is to blame 100% in this circle of lies...She knew from day one that he was not the father.  They need to get this girl some help in finding her biological father to see if he even knows of her existence.  Probably not and very dumb mother probably would never confess to whom that may be...Anyways,  That is who may like to pay her child support.  Her father of 10 years did handle the situation very wrong, as a better choice would of been to take mother to court for sole custody and fight her all the way and let her make the child support payment to him.  As he clearly does love this little girl, I think he was just shocked and overwhelmed and reacted without thinking....which people do.  Hats off to Stepmom for investigating this,because from what I saw was a very unstable mother that in just a matter of time most likely when the girl turned 18 or after college would of ended up telling her anyways..then what...better now than later. I don't know..but never is so not right....what a pig this mother is sitting on the show with that damn smirk on her face...You did wrong and you needed to admit that 13 years ago..another comment is that I am appauld that Dr. Phil would even have Gloria Alred on the show she is nothing but a huge disgusting male basher.  I could not ever agree with her no matter what she says.  I am a married women of 26 years. and I find it absolutely appalling that this women would be invited on any show...Come on Dr. Phil you are so much smarter than that...I would flick the channel immediately if I ever saw her on again...I feel very sorry for the men that come in contact with her....YIKES she's one scary ass male basher..........
 
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November 5, 2007, 5:32 pm PST

you really don't have clue

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Shocking that someone would put money ahead of a child's welfare. The new wife is witchy and responsible for the injury to the child. Her focus was to do damage to the ex-wife and get finished paying child support. Awful person. I can't understand why the audience was clapping for her. Are they as insensive as she is?
You have not been in the wife's shoes or the father.I have and it is not fair for the mother to expect for everyone else to take the blame for her pleasure.She should have been honest from the beginning.In my situation my husband paid for 21 years and when the mother wanted more money she went straight to the courts.It is not fair for these mothers to get away with this it only hurts the child and it leaves the father in a position where he is damned if  does anything and he is damned if he does nothing because the mother can continue to drain him mentally and in the courts.
 
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November 5, 2007, 5:37 pm PST

Man what a crock.

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On December 3 2007, I will appear in open court on a hearing for contempt of court for failure to pay. I have paid as ordered for 15+ years, well over $150.000 in support and insurance premiums.

 

The balance $374.00-In march of 2006 I agreed to reimburse the state $1500.00 for welfare services the mother had received prior to a motion I filed to end the case. Since the agreement was made I have paid $1089 of the stipulated amount, until being informed by the Michigan Inspector Generals office the services were received by the means of fraud and have already been reimbursed by various sources that had received them.

 

The Inspector General has no jurisdiction over the judicial branch of the government, however he has informed the Friend of the court these monies were already refunded, I too petitioned the Friend of the court twice to close the case and eliminate the remaining balance of $347.00. They denied my request to terminate the balance and now have show caused me to appear in court for non-payment.

 

I have posted my story in here like many, I have had no contact with the child who has emancipated and is now 21 years old. I was ordered to pay his biological father directly because he lived with him, and now they want to place me in jail for money that was received by fraud, in a case of fraud.

Sounds like you are in a very hard place for things not even of your own doings at all. To me this is a crock of BS!. I feel for you man. To pay the price for something you had not even created. In this you should not be held liable it should be your ex whom has committed the fraud that got all that started to begin with. And to be honest it seems like they want their share ful part of this money that has been already reimbursted to the inspector general. Basically using the excuse of what you agreed to to still make a profit in essence. Even though they are not going to say it that way. It would be more like well sir you have mad e a legal agreement and is binding. Even though you did this under the poise of fraud by the ex and because of this fraud you suffer. This is not right at all. I hope you have a lawyer and hope all goes well for you. I wish you the best and hope you get a stroke of luck come the court date. And I shall pray for you not to go to jail for this stuff. I wish I could tell you something to help you out but I am at a loss for words on your case. It seem more and more every day the innocent suffer for the sins of the guilty. Very sad indeed!!!
 
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November 5, 2007, 5:44 pm PST

10/29 Parent Trap

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That is what happens when Mothers tell lies.

 

Don't try putting the blame on Mia.  This is what happens when there are skeletons in the closets and that family breaks up.  What's done is done and ALL the blame still sits with Maria. 

 You ignored everything I said.  Maria may have made the bomb, but it was Mia who made sure it went off.
Don't tell me she isn't responsible for some of the blame.
 
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November 5, 2007, 5:49 pm PST

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Shocking that someone would put money ahead of a child's welfare. The new wife is witchy and responsible for the injury to the child. Her focus was to do damage to the ex-wife and get finished paying child support. Awful person. I can't understand why the audience was clapping for her. Are they as insensive as she is?
 Thank you, thank you, thank you for seeing the same thing I saw.  By reading some of these posts it is obvious that many people are this insensitive.  It boggles my mind. 
 
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November 5, 2007, 5:56 pm PST

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Who said money was the main reason here? Point being...a man shouldn't pay support on another man's child. I read on someone's post something about, how about I buy a 50,000.00 car but YOU are going paying for it while I drive it and own it............would you do that???? Probably not! According to your thinking, though, you should.

The new wife isn't witchy..........you have no clue what her focus was...............she saw that her husband was being frauded and had every right in the world to suggest a DNA test.............

The ONLY person responsible for this child's injury is her mother, Maria..............after all, Mia didn't stick a gun to her head and make her cheat, make her get pregnant by someone other than her husband, nor did she make Maria LIE about the fact!

 Give me a break......who equates a car with a child? 
 
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November 5, 2007, 5:57 pm PST

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Paternity fraud is an unfortunate aspect of the human experience; however, I feel there are mitigating factors.  First, the female of the species is acting partially on instinct when choosing a mating partner.  Once conception has been achieved, a support system is the next order of business, and may or may not involve the sperm donor.  I believe there are a number of statistics relating to the phenomenon of the maternal strategy of maximizing the bio-diversity of her offspring for superior survival results.  I seem to remember hearing that in certain societies, women were historically encouraged to seek out the strongest, healthiest partners as mates as a method of improving the physical aspects and survival capabilities of the community.  Second, the philosophical, emotional and practical components of this equation cannot be dismissed - the female of the species must choose as life partner the most stable and productive individual that can be found for the best outcome.  The human animal, although a spiritual and contemplative being, is also constrained by simple biology when propagation and survival of the species is concerned.  The male of the species is at liberty to bestow seed where preferred AT HIS OWN RISK.  If he then chooses to commit to the rearing of the offspring his chosen mate produces, it is preferable for the community that he remain committed to the task until the offspring are capable of sustaining themselves.  The peripheral issues of emotion surrounding this task are secondary to the primary goal of producing future generations for the species. 

 

The reality is, women hold most of the cards in the human propagation game.  If a man desires the companionship and comfort of home and family, he must sacrifice a certain amount of desire for control.  In other words, take what the universe gives to you or keep it in your pants, brother. 

 

All academic considerations aside, this man should thank his lucky stars that any woman thought enough of him to name him as father for her children.  He had the opportunity to gain the lifelong love, trust and devotion of two daughters and he threw it away for a principle.  What a fool he was, truly.

What??!!
 
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November 5, 2007, 7:01 pm PST

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The "buck stops" with Maria.    I do feel for Selina. she seems like a lovely young lady and with good support I trust she will heal from the pain.    I can only hope she will possibly feel the pain Enrique was going through at the time.   It was obvious he was regretful on how he handled it.   I can only imagine what he was going through  and unfornately some bad choices concerning Selina were made.   I don't however believe he should be financially responsible for Maria's deception.  As for Ms. Allred,  I am afraid she is off the mark here.      If DNA can release an innocent man from prison it certainly should release an innocent man from a fraudulent paternity claim.   I hope Selina and Enrique will have helpful dialogue in the future.   And as for the mother, Maria.........SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!      All of this hurt would have avoided if you would have done the responsible moral thing.
 
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November 5, 2007, 8:18 pm PST

Can not be more angry!

I am a mother of 2 and can NOT believe a mother could be SO heartless

! I think this woman should pay for what she did to her daughter, it should be called Child Abuse! I can totally understand how angry the father must have been when he found out the truth. I am not saying what he did to the daughter was right, But the MOTHER is the cause of all the HEART BRAKE in the family. And I think the daughter should really give her father a chance. I do not understand why the daughter was not more angry at the mother than she was at the father. After all it was the mother"s lies that cause such pain. This show made me so angry I just had to sign up tonight and vioce my feelings.

 
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November 5, 2007, 8:27 pm PST

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Quote From: jennguerra

When reading these posts it truly makes me sad. There could be ww3 going on here with all the blame and hate. We ALL have the capacity for love and kindness and forgiveness. Why can't we try as human beings on this very small planet to do that for each other here. Right here right now, on this message board...I dare you. Who is the bigger person? Are you out there?
 Well Jenn, we meet again.  I don't see hate as much as I see outrage.  Outrage against a woman who had an affair, hid it, got pregnant and let her husband think he was the father.  Outrage against this father when ten years later he finds this out and dumps the child.  And, outrage at the step mom for sowing doubts of his paternity so that all that ensued, ensued.

I think love and kindness is a wonderful thing.  Those two qualities by all three of the adults would have been preferred.  This little girl could have had a happier life.

So, I think these three people should all apologize.  Those of us on this board are only pointing out how we see the situation.
 
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