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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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December 25, 2007, 2:12 pm PST

This makes me Furious!

This is wrong! The Mother is at fault, she's the one who had the affair and got pregnant, and she should have told both men! First that she had the affair and that she's preg. and really not sure, then she should have gotten a DNA test, she would have gotten Child support from the real Father!  That poor man had no idea and obviouly loved both his children, but for all those years that mom knew! She should be the one out working and supporting the kids! Take Responsibility Lady! I'm sorry but that poor girl and man have been put into an unfortunate circumstance and it will be really hard to heal from this. I just want to slap her! Pure stupidity!
 
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December 25, 2007, 2:13 pm PST

Remember what's important!

I watched the episode today and am disappointed. Disappointed that, in the end, the only thing the adults on the show could do was continue to point fingers and blame. Yes, that Mother was wrong in lying about her daughters possible paternity, and yes, she did admit that...but I noticed that no one was willing to drop that point and focus on what is really important and that is that there is yet another little girl in the world that cannot trust and will most likely grow up suffering from self esteem issues. Maybe I'm sensitive to this issue, having been 5 when my father cut ties with us. It caused irrepairable damage. I'm now 35 and still "can't get over it". When a parent or someone you love abandons you- for whatever reason- it is haunting. It will effect every decision you make in your life, and most always negatively. Please, please cease the blame...whether it be a divorce or a paternity issue such as this one...and remember the potential damage that can be done to a little mind.
 
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December 25, 2007, 2:16 pm PST

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I completely agree with what you said and I am truly angry and upset regarding your own personal situation with your son's father.  It infuriates me that men can just get away with such things and leave us, women to deal with the situation on our own.  I guess that it is partly the reason why I have become celibate.  I'm going through a similar situation w/ my son's father who has chosen to move away to work as a contractor for six months rather than be here with his son at a critical and very important time in his life(our son is 15 months old).  He needs to have his father around, especially when they are so young.  Anyways,  I couldn't believe that Maria could get away with something like that.  I don't know who told her that a man that is not the biological father is obligated to pay child support, but she needs to go get her head examined.  Enrique shouldn't have to be forced to pay, it should be negotiable and up to him.  I hope that if they do take this to court, that the judge will agree.  I do feel truly sorry for Selena though.  Enrique is not only a victim, but a betrayer as well.  How could you leave a little girl whom you cared, loved, and provided for all these years?  Then up and leave like that as soon as you find out that she is not biologically yours.  What an a**hole!  If I was Selena,  I wouldn't want to be around him for awhile until I emotionally heal from this.  I think she will eventually, but it 's gonna take some time for her.  And what was up with Enrique's new wife?  She got on my last nerve!  Look, I think we all understand that he was betrayed by Maria and that it was not right that she had the affair to begin with and then lied all these years that Selena was genetically his.  But, was it me or did I not hear Dr. Phil address/explain that he agreed with her after she kept repeating herself so many damn times.  It's like, clean the earwax out of your ears, lady!  Anyways, it was just a very emotional, sad, and frustrating situation.  I felt so heartbroken when I saw and heard Dr. Phil talk to Selena.  I wanted so badly to reach through the tv into his green room and give her a hug.  I don't think he did that when he talked her, huh?  Well, I would have. Anyways, hopefully all well will ends well for this family in the future.
I hope that in the future woman like this should have to pay back the money and to so time in jail for fraud.
 
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December 25, 2007, 2:20 pm PST

A married man should have rights

A married man should have the right to expect any children conceived while he and his wife are married are his.  There should be laws to protect men in the event that this is not the case.  If his name ends up on a birth certificate of a child born that is not his the wife should be held accountable. 

 

The laws should not penalize him if he finds out that any children he thought were his are not.  Women should be held responsible for their actions. gasp!  I know revolutionary!  What happened here is criminal.  The law is so backward the mother sits there smugly smiling while the legal system holds the innocent man accountable.  This has got to change!

 

I feel so sorry for the father.  He was duped by this money grubbing woman and when he finds out and reacts (as many of us less saintly souls would) he is clobbered from every side- the law, his ex- his daughter- his new wife and pretty much Dr. Phil. ( He was the only one willing to take responsibility so everyone decided he would be responsible- typical)  Boy that guy can't win for losing - it sounds like something that could only happen to me! LOL  Hope the New Year goes well for you my friend, you deserve a better shake than you have gotten.

 
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December 25, 2007, 2:20 pm PST

Stating the Facts

 In watching the show first I must say that the mother was wrong and did not seem very remorseful for her mistakes.  It was very frustrating as a woman to see such behavior.  She just wanted to find someone else to place the blame. 
Enrique was indeed a victim of paternity fraud.  He was mislead into believing that the child was his.  Not all biological children favor their parents.  And why should he as the husband have to question his paternity.  That was not his fault.
Where Enrique did make a mistake is how he chose to deal with it, which I'm sure in light of all the news he was too overwhelmed and hurt to think about the affect of his decision on the child Selena.  Not to make excuses, but everyone makes mistakes as Dr. Phil was getting at. 
At this point 13 years later its past the blame game.  It's too late to go back and say what SHOULD HAVE been done because it is already done.  After 10 years of being this child's father, Enrique and Selena did have a father/daughter relationship and bond.  The needed to continue regardless, but assuming financial responsibility should be Enrique's choice.  As a parent those are the things you do, make sure the child is taken care of but because he was victimized there is nor reason why they could not continue the relationship and he help financially as he chooses simply because he is not responsible.  The relationship is the most important thing at this point to avoid what has occurred.
Enrique must regain the trust of Selena and apologize and share his thoughts.  I am positive he loves Selena but has been caught in the middle.  The mother needs to sit down as well and be honest with the child in sharing her mistakes and move toward healing. 
As far as adopting the child.  I was adopted by my FATHER obsviously not biologically but he has raised me and provided for me.  He never expected any other man to pay because adoption means that you are excepting the child as your own and plan to assume ALL responsibility for that child.  You become that child's guardian and sole provider as if they were your own.  So the true expectation is if Chris wants to adopt Selena do that without any expectations but also allow Enrique to be a part of Selena's life and rekindle any kind of relationship they can as they are both hurt but only TIME  heals all wounds. 

The most important outcomes here are healing and resolution.  Stop concentrating on what was and focus on what is and the resolve.  There are hurting children, broken relationships, broken family so fix it instead of placing blame because we can't change the past but we can definitely impact our futures. 
 
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December 25, 2007, 2:20 pm PST

Husband's Rights

I'm glad I saw this show. I can't understand how anyone can hold a man legally responsible for a child that isn't his. I believe that a man who is fooled into taking legal responsibility for a child should have the right to walk away from the legal responsibilities if he chooses to. You can't govern moral responsibility. Biological parents, men and women, walk out on their families every day and there are no laws to govern these dead beat parents. It is so sad that innocent children have to suffer if these emotional situations, but children suffer the same emotional trauma when their biological parents walk out on them.  When are the courts going to hold the mothers responsible for their actions. A biological parent should fully support their children because it is a conscious decision to engage in an act that could likely produce a life. Court ordered counseling for fathers in these situations would be wonderful, but it should still be his choice to financially support these children. I believe men caught in this trap would be more likely to be a father figure to these children, if they weren't held financially responsible.

 
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December 25, 2007, 2:26 pm PST

Re: Parent Trap

1st mistake was the child's mother not telling the truth.

2nd big mistake was the husband being so rude, crude and void of feelings to tell the girl she wasn't his.

 

Both adults were obviously thinking more of themselves then the child that they both parented for her young lifetime.  Plus, this is perfect example of how low our American society has become.  The "Greatest Generation" that fought our huge battles and got us through a huge depression is fast disappearing and the "moderns and so-called progressives" are leading us in the wrong and opposite direction where folks are made to feel that they are the only ones that are important and should be cared for...and the children suffer.

 

How many more young children will have to suffer endless problems before we all wake-up?

 
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December 25, 2007, 2:29 pm PST

Laws need to be Changed!

In some cases it is not the fault of the women. When my 3rd child was born I had been seperated for quite some time from my now ex husband. When he was born the hospital told me that the only person I could legally put on the birth certificate was my (now) ex husband since we were still legally married. I explained to them that he was NOT the father and that we had been seperated for quite some time but the reply I got was "thats the law, your husband has to be listed on the birth certificate or left blank". I left the space blank because I knew he was not the father and was not going to put someone down that was in no way responsible for the child. The state came in afterwards and tried to sue him for child support. He then had to go to court and fight the matter and pay those expenses plus the price for a paternity test. In my opinion, he should have never been put through all that. From day one I have told everyone (including the state) who the father was and they have yet to go after support etc from him. I will not go after support from him because we are managing fine and would rather not have him in my sons life (because he has addiction problems) but I dont believe anyone should be financially responsible for a child that is not theirs.
 
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December 25, 2007, 2:29 pm PST

Gloria should be all red for a pathetic argument

The baby selina definitely didnt deserve to go through the ordeal of finding out her father of 11 years was not her biological father, but whose fault is it that this happened? enrique was faithful while his wife knowlingly slept with other men, got pregnant, used enrique for money for years, and perpetuated a lie that she had to know would devastate her daughter.  Infedelity hurts everyone and maria instead of being responsible and dealing with the consequences of her poor judgement and joices, tried to make enrique the scapegoat.  Instead of taking the blame for her mistakes, she forced enrique to reveal what must have been an extremely painful event in his life to his daughter.  Enrique lost a great deal of money, and more importantly a daughter he had thought he concieved.  So what are the results, Gloria Allred suggests enrique continues to pay financially, thereby continuing an emotional and financial pain for enrique.  How can a lawyer and advocate for justice suggest that the issue of the child trascends the fraud the mother committed.  Enrique loved his daughter and Maria defrauded him, like any criminal she deserves to pay for her crime, either by restitution, or possibly prison.  Enrique is not giving up love for his daughter, he is simply ceasing to pay for his wife's infidelity.  Would a woman ever be expected to pay child support for a child he concieved while having an affair? That concept is rediculous although gloria allred i'm sure would certainly find a way to construe an argument for this.
 
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December 25, 2007, 2:31 pm PST

When do Men get rights

I was married for 6 years and my oldest daughter was 3 when my x and I got together. During the marriage, we had another child. Once we divorced I was told by an attorney that my x would be responsible for child support of both children. I refused to sign anything saying that and let my attorney go and filed the divorce myself. My x asked me if he could continue to have a relationship with my daughter because he'd been in her life for so long and considered her his 1st child. I told him as long as he doesn't hurt her, I'm fine with that. To this day - she is now 18 he is the only dad she knows and they have an awesome relationship. You'd never know he wasn't her biological dad. I've never asked him for support nor have I asked him to help with anything involving her. He has on his own volunteered to take on that responsibility and I don't hold him accountable when he can't, because it's not his responsibility.

 

How is it fair to allow the biological father to escape financial responsibility just because another MAN has stepped in to take on that FATHER role? Our court systems is all screwed up and although I am a woman, they let us get away with whatever we want, that's not fair. In Enrique's case, I understand him not wanting to pay support for the child, but how can he turn his back on the relationship they built with each other. This would be the time to fight in court to not pay support but keep the relationship if agreeable by the child and the man involved.

 

My current husband has been paying child support since his child was born (even while they lived together). He has been denied visitation rights by the mother, she only calls when she wants something. She doesn't work but he pays $700 a month in child support. When  does he get rights? How is that if a father does not support his child, he goes to jail. But if a mother does not support her child she gets government assistance. I work hard to take care of my children and whether or not their fathers help out, I still have to take care of them. I don't depend on the system to support us.

 

I'm on both sides of the coin so I can speak on this issue. Mothers should not be allowed to use children as pawns like some kind of chess piece and biological fathers should take on financial responsibility even if they choose not to have a relationship with their child. Just because another man has stepped in, should not relieve the biological father of his responsibilities. I take my hat off to those men who have stepped up and took on the responsibility of another man, because if not we would have more children out here without fathers.  I agree that children don't asked to be put in these kinds of situations. This is where the  mother needs to take the responsibility and be honest so you don't go 16 years (like my friend) paying for a child that is not yours. You shouldn't be forced to pay. If you allow that man to have a relationship with that child, he's going to do for that child, because he loves them. Do you not think his heart is broken when he finally finds out the child is not his? Men have feelings too and they also need rights. Children need to have both parents in their lives even if they are not together.

 
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