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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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December 25, 2007, 2:34 pm PST

differentiate

there seems to be a conflict between moral law and legal law some seem to think that the author on the book (didnt catch the whole show) talks of not blaming the mother for the whole fiasco which is certainly true because there shouldnt be blame for a problem that exists but there should be finding a solution to the problem that is so and talks of the way that the non father handled the situation as being wrong to which both poiints are opinionated and are questions of morality within the mother herself being married if that were the case the woman is responsible for her deceptiveness and should accept that as so and for the author to try to maneuver around that is a (courthouse move) by turning the attention away from the origination of the problem the non father's move to reveal the situationto the child how he did was definintly was a classless move but to hold him accountable as a primary child support system for a child that was conceived during the marriage is ridiculous being that EVERYONE assumes that their mate is honest to them espacially when it comes to conceiving a child ( im guessing trust honesty faith are not qualities one should have in a mate) which is the purpose we are put on this earth (u know the bible)you wouldnt under normal circumstances assume your mate would cheat but of course it goes on often these days the father was definitely wrong but he shouldnt be held accountable financially for a child that isnt his which would seem morally wrong the courts probably states different  due to statute of limitations and what not but his relationship should be voluntary though he has developed this personal bond with this child so young the situation is really disturbing but everyone cant be wrong or right without looking at the whole situation and not choosing sides until alll information is presented(for the record i agree with the guy onstage and apologies for the lack of capitalization and punctuation) good day

 
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December 25, 2007, 2:42 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

I wanted to add another comment. The 2nd attorney and the  gentlemen who had experienced the same thing were excellent guests on the show.  Some good info from both of them. Gloria 's unsubstantiated comments about dads that don't pay child support  were shown to be untrue.  She was definitely not a good choice for the show! I wanted to smack her and I am not a mean person at all.

I want the DNA "father" to be advised that he has a daughter. He may turn out to be a good man and he deserves to know his daughter.  She deserves to know him too. Shame on that mother.   It Makes me ashamed to be a woman when there are women like her.  WE all do things that we may not be proud of but we have to be woman enough to accept the consequences .   She  had a holier than thou attitude and is lucky that there is another man out there who would marry her and trust her. Count your blessings lady and please love those girls!

 
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December 25, 2007, 2:46 pm PST

Parent Trap

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Now that the technology is available, there should be a law to make paternity tests routine at the time of birth, so that it is clear from the start. Enrique had the right to find out.  He should not have to pay child support for Salina and the mother should have encouraged Enrique and Salina to continue their relationship without insisting that he pay child support. She lied and wants him to continue as if she did nothing wrong. Many men will be going to their grave not knowing the paternity of their child, because the mother will not consent or the courts decide that after a certain time it does not matter. If the mothers are so sure these men are the fathers, why do they prevent the paternity test from taking place? They should want to give him peace of mind that it is, if they are saying he is. Just confirm it. There are many circumstances that would lead people to question paternity at any time. Men should have the right to have a paternity tests even 15 years later if there is any doubts in his mind. They do not acknowledge that these men have feelings and should have the right to know if they fathered the child or not. We all know you do not have to be a biological parent to be a loving parent, but it does not replace the knowledge that you are the biological father if you truly are. How can the system think that is right to keep that from you? We have the technology! Change the Laws! It is a shame for these men to have to suffer emotionally, because of the court system or a vindictive ex-wife. I hope that Salina can work through the pain, by realizing the emotional stress her mother and the court system have put on Enrique, and salvage her relationship with him. I totally agree with E J Moss.

 

Just to say that I totally agree with you on this issue. Women who do this to men should have charges filed against them. Just like with anything else if you sign a legal document giving false statements this is perjury. This should not be any different than any other legal matter. It's a shame children have to be part of this but at the same time a man should not have to pay for a child that is not legally his. Most men  trust in your wife to be honest you try not to put your child in a position to feel they are not your child. So you don't think at the time to go for a test and when you find out later its upsetting. THE LAWS NEED TO BE CHAINED IF A WOMEN FILES FOR CHILD SUPPORT AND KNOWS THE CHILD IS NOT THE HUSBANDS THEN SHE SHOULD BE CONVICTED OF A FELONY AND CHARGED WITH PERJURY. SPEND TIME IN JAIL MAYBE THEN WOMEN WOULD WAKE UP. I DON'T THINK I WOULD TREAT THE CHILD ANY DIFFERENT IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT. THE REAL FATHER SHOULD PAY THE CHILD SUPPORT. Women are so quick to take a man to court if they don't pay well its their time to pay.
 
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December 25, 2007, 2:49 pm PST

Would You?

What man reading this would honestly ask the mother of what he truly believed to be his child at the time of birth, Honey are you sure the baby you just gave birth to,  is it really mine?  You would have your head ripped from your body , your marriage would be over and your next stop would b divorce court, yet as Gloria Alred stated in CA and I know the same to be true in OK, you must challenge the paternity within 2 years, yet as in todays case as with countless others, it was ten years, that this man was lead and allowed to believe that the child was his, this is wrong it is fraud and it should be treated as the crime it is which would include jail time and possible restitution to the victim, the man whom as lead to believe that he was the father of the child.  My son is fighting this as we speak and his case it was 6 years before he found out, and because it was past the two year limit he has now been ordered to pay almost $500.00 per month and back child support as well or face jail time.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:02 pm PST

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If the father wanted to keep the relationship with his daughter, he should of left the situation alone.  It seemed he had doubts from the beginning but did not take action to find out the truth, until the child support he was sending became a problem with him and his new wife.  The only reason he did this was to not pay child support, was the money he was paying worth not being a decent person.  He is only thinking of his interest and not the child. He made decisions based on his reality and not the child's. I think the courts in California are correct in saying if you have been responsible for the child, you should for the rest of that child's life be emotionally and physically responsible.  Both parents made decisions that are questionable, but why bring that on the child.  The father made a choice years ago and should live up that responsibility, even if he feels the wife betrayed him. 

again excuse the modern american female blame the man you will all be very lonely
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:03 pm PST

Another Victim

I missed this show last time it aired.  However if you do a follow up.  I feel that there is another victim in addition to the young girl.  There is a man on this planet that is unaware that he has a child.  I don't know about anyone else but that would kill me.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:03 pm PST

It's FRAUD.. Thow the woman in jail

She should go to jail for her crimes against this man. Period. All she did was screw her daughter and husband over.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:09 pm PST

UNBELIEVABLE

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Just to say that I totally agree with you on this issue. Women who do this to men should have charges filed against them. Just like with anything else if you sign a legal document giving false statements this is perjury. This should not be any different than any other legal matter. It's a shame children have to be part of this but at the same time a man should not have to pay for a child that is not legally his. Most men  trust in your wife to be honest you try not to put your child in a position to feel they are not your child. So you don't think at the time to go for a test and when you find out later its upsetting. THE LAWS NEED TO BE CHAINED IF A WOMEN FILES FOR CHILD SUPPORT AND KNOWS THE CHILD IS NOT THE HUSBANDS THEN SHE SHOULD BE CONVICTED OF A FELONY AND CHARGED WITH PERJURY. SPEND TIME IN JAIL MAYBE THEN WOMEN WOULD WAKE UP. I DON'T THINK I WOULD TREAT THE CHILD ANY DIFFERENT IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT. THE REAL FATHER SHOULD PAY THE CHILD SUPPORT. Women are so quick to take a man to court if they don't pay well its their time to pay.
 I just watched the show.  I cannot believe that attorney.  After writing a book and representing high profile clients,it is very easy for her to say that men should continue paying.  For the average American,with the cost fo living rising,most people are  watching their spending.  She obviously does not have to check her account to make sure she can pay the oil bill this month.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:12 pm PST

I am so angry!!

I have followed the history of Gloria Aldridge and for the most part agreed with her, however this time she is dead wrong! I dont care how long a man has been int he child's life if he is not the biological father...he should not have to pay! Gloria said that a man should not be allowed to voluntarily be in her life without paying. SO according to what she is saying, If a neighbor befriends a fatherless child as a rolemodel he should have to pay? No wonder peo[le dont want to step up and be a dad they are afraid this horrible senario. Gloria should be ashamed! So should that mother. Also when the little girl talked she seemed to blame "dad" for everything and not her mom...Her "dad" made some mistakes but she needs to realize this would not have happened if her mother woudl have been honest from the getgo. I think that that mother seemed very "haha" abotu the whole situation ont he show and feels "it doesnt matter to me b/c some man will pay for my daughter and I dot care who it is"! That is soooooooo wrong... I have neve been so upset about a show before. As a female I would never do that to a man.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:14 pm PST

Parent Trap

I cannot believe Gloria.  She is a disgrace.  No MAN should ever have to pay for a child that is not his.  The mother should have to pay the money back to the Enrique.  I do think that he did not handle the situation with Selena correctly.  He should have kept a relationship with her but he should not have to pay any child support for a child that is not his.  This should be a Federal Law.  Perhaps with the current statistics all babies born should have DNA and the parents.  This would eliminate all of this. 
 
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