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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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December 25, 2007, 3:15 pm PST

paternity fraud

I am 100% behind Carnell Smith.  I think he's great for standing up and fighting.  It's disgusting that a man must pay for a child who isn't his.  And what nerve the mother has demanding he pay anyway!  This now becomes her responsibility.  It's her responsibility to find the real father.  The real father should be made to reimburse the wrongfully accused father and then resume paying.  It's terrible that a child must be hurt, but the mother is the cause of the hurt, and an innocent man should not be penalized for it.  This innocent man may have other true biological children he must raise and support.  This is so unfair.  Normally, I'm a big fan of Gloria Allred, but I strongly disagree with her this time.  It is a true injustice.  It's also disgusting that a man must support a child who isn't his if he signed a birth certificate.  And when found that the child isn't his, the courts still consider him the father and he must pay.  Look at the Maury Povich show. So many women wrongfully accuse men of fatherhood.  Keep up the fight Carnell!  This issue needs a lot more attention and should be rectified.  (By the way, I'm female.)
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:15 pm PST

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Women who pass their kids off as someone else's should be ashamed of themselves.  It is women like that who make it hard for women like me.  My ex husband has been denying our 18 year old son since before he was born.  Never mind that I have always been willing to have my son tested.  He is over $20.000 behind in child support and hasn't seen my son in 11 years.  I thank God for my current husband; a real man who has taken on the responsibility of being my son's "dad".
The mother was dead wrong not to be forth coming from the get go.
The father never should of told the kid in that way, left and only picked up his oldest girl.
JMO
Who is the real dad, shouldn't the young lady(now) know?

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:16 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

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Just to say that I totally agree with you on this issue. Women who do this to men should have charges filed against them. Just like with anything else if you sign a legal document giving false statements this is perjury. This should not be any different than any other legal matter. It's a shame children have to be part of this but at the same time a man should not have to pay for a child that is not legally his. Most men  trust in your wife to be honest you try not to put your child in a position to feel they are not your child. So you don't think at the time to go for a test and when you find out later its upsetting. THE LAWS NEED TO BE CHAINED IF A WOMEN FILES FOR CHILD SUPPORT AND KNOWS THE CHILD IS NOT THE HUSBANDS THEN SHE SHOULD BE CONVICTED OF A FELONY AND CHARGED WITH PERJURY. SPEND TIME IN JAIL MAYBE THEN WOMEN WOULD WAKE UP. I DON'T THINK I WOULD TREAT THE CHILD ANY DIFFERENT IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT. THE REAL FATHER SHOULD PAY THE CHILD SUPPORT. Women are so quick to take a man to court if they don't pay well its their time to pay.
I like the idea of all men taking paternity tests at the birth of a chlld.  This would protect the man, and more importantly, the child.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:17 pm PST

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The baby selina definitely didnt deserve to go through the ordeal of finding out her father of 11 years was not her biological father, but whose fault is it that this happened? enrique was faithful while his wife knowlingly slept with other men, got pregnant, used enrique for money for years, and perpetuated a lie that she had to know would devastate her daughter.  Infedelity hurts everyone and maria instead of being responsible and dealing with the consequences of her poor judgement and joices, tried to make enrique the scapegoat.  Instead of taking the blame for her mistakes, she forced enrique to reveal what must have been an extremely painful event in his life to his daughter.  Enrique lost a great deal of money, and more importantly a daughter he had thought he concieved.  So what are the results, Gloria Allred suggests enrique continues to pay financially, thereby continuing an emotional and financial pain for enrique.  How can a lawyer and advocate for justice suggest that the issue of the child trascends the fraud the mother committed.  Enrique loved his daughter and Maria defrauded him, like any criminal she deserves to pay for her crime, either by restitution, or possibly prison.  Enrique is not giving up love for his daughter, he is simply ceasing to pay for his wife's infidelity.  Would a woman ever be expected to pay child support for a child he concieved while having an affair? That concept is rediculous although gloria allred i'm sure would certainly find a way to construe an argument for this.

I agree about Gloria.  Normally, I'm a big fan of hers, but not this time.  She sounded pathetic

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:19 pm PST

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From where I stand, if she knew he wasn't the father of the child and didn't tell him, then she's a THIEF who's been stealing money from her victim for years.  I do believe that the father should have to maintain his relationship with the child.  I also believe that the father should have recourse to sue the biological father if he knew that he was actually the father.  If he didn't know then he's off the hook.
I agree.  Lock her up!
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:19 pm PST

Shame on her!

I think that Enrique has every right to be upset! Women have the upper hand in almost every case out there either paternity or child custody. It should be equal! I think he should have done it differently and still continued to have a relationship with his daughter, but should not be responsible to pay child support. The woman made a choice to lie so she needs to deal with the consequences of her actions.

She should be ashamed of herself. What kind of an example is she setting to her daughters. That it's okay to lie and get away with it? She needs to stop worrying about money and and for once think about others before her self.

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:19 pm PST

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Women who pass their kids off as someone else's should be ashamed of themselves.  It is women like that who make it hard for women like me.  My ex husband has been denying our 18 year old son since before he was born.  Never mind that I have always been willing to have my son tested.  He is over $20.000 behind in child support and hasn't seen my son in 11 years.  I thank God for my current husband; a real man who has taken on the responsibility of being my son's "dad".
The mother should of told the truth from the get go.
The father never should of told the kid in that way.  Plus never picking her up after that.
JMO
Where and who is the real father?  I think the young lady(now)  has a right to know.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:20 pm PST

This is all on Maria

Maria played around...she is the villian, not the victim. Selena is the victim...no matter how tough everyone wants to be....the harshness should be directed towards Maria. He should be refunded all his child support and should have been given the opportunity to continue to be her father voluntarily....for free. Maria had a long free ride and although Selena is a victim...the dad is one as well. Everyone is pointing the finger, but no one thinks how they would react if they were lied to for ten years and it cost monetarily as well. That lawyer chick should stick to the stuff on MSNBC, she suddenly didn't have a leg to stand on.

 

He didn't help his case with the way he handled telling Selena and how he ripped her out of his life so abruptly. Yet, who are we to say how we would respond in the same situation. We can all have opinions, we all know what is said about opinions....no one really knows how they would react until they are in the same situation themselves. It may have been a self defense mechanism that kicked in automatically. Shame on Maria...there would not have been grounds for a show if she hadn't been unfaithful and not careful at the same time.

 

I grew up without a Dad, my step father was worthless, so I had nothing. Selena had some good years and she looks like she's a strong girl. She is resilient and has already matured beyond her years due to this experience. She doesn't need him. She doesn't owe anyone. Her mother owes her the knowledge of who her father is and an apology for doing this to her in the first place. Selfish and ignorant...the first two adjectives I can think of that are allowed on postings.

 

I'm just disgusted. Hats off to the guest...If the genes don't fit, you must aquit....works better than for O.J. It makes ZERO cents to pay for a child who isn't yours. If it's all about the child being affected, let the man continue to be the "father" without the monetary responsibility. Letting the women cheat and make the wrong man pay is equivalent to saying that it's OK for the deadbeat dads not to pay. I, as a mother, wouldn't be expected to pay for a child who isn't mine, why should a man have to pay? That's taking it too far. That lawyer chick who was there today (Gloria something) should stick to law and leave Psychology to the trained professionals. No one with half a brain would vote to instill a law that makes men who have been lied to and tricked into believing they've fathered a child...continue to pay and go through with someone else's lie. That would use the law to help women make men victims.

 

Let's just have women pay child suppport for children their husbands fathered in affairs...sound good? I think not. It's the same thing.

 

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:21 pm PST

Maria is an example of how NOT to behave!

I was divorced and had two children by my first husband. He was a deadbeat dad. It was horrible that I had to force him to have a relationship with his children and he didn't care enough to support them.

My new husband did more emotionally and financially for my children than their biological father ever did.

I am furious that Maria would have an affair, and lie by omission and have Enrique support that child for all those years and expect more after their divorce.

The RIGHT thing to do would be for Maria to track down the guy who impregnated her, ideally have him reimburse Enrique for all the support he has paid to take care of HIS child and then, if Selina were open to it, to try and repair the broken relationship between a daughter and loving "step-father".
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:22 pm PST

All around mess

It is beyond belief that this situation has occured and that the so called adults have handled it the way they have. The most important thing to remember yet all seem to forget is that the child's well being is number one priority. Yes the father loved and raised the child believing her to be his own and certainly should continue the relationship after all the years spent building it however the mother (who is responsible for the entire mess) should not receive one single child support payment from her ex-husband and repay all she has recieved to date. She argues that after all this time he is the father and should pay but truth is-After all this time- only occured because she got away with the lie for that length of time. It seems that the most important thing to her is the money he can pay-why doesn't she allow her ex-husband to be the emotional father while pursuing the financial from her biological father. I never once heard her say "keep the money and just be a father to your daughter".

 
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