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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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January 1, 2008, 8:30 pm PST

Maria vs. Enrique

I hardly ever watch Dr. Phil, but this show had me frozen to the tv.  Of course, the kids are always the ones that lose the most.  And yes, I agree that Enrique handled the situation wrong.  He should have never taken his daughter to the park how he did and told her, etc....of that he is ENTIRELY wrong.  But he is ENTIRELY right in that financially, he owes nothing!!!  If Maria was woman enough to have an affair and get pregnant, then she should have been woman enough to admit to Enrique that the daughter was not his from the beginning.  And she should be woman enough to not hold him financially responsible.  Why doesn't she get off her lazy rear-end and go find the real father of her child and hold HIM financially responsible?  I'll tell you why she doesn't...it's so much easier for her to hold Enrique responsible because he's convenient, and he's only a bank account to her.  While Enrique is to be faulted how he handled the situation with his daughter...he is not to be faulted for how it handled it with his ex-wife. 

 
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January 1, 2008, 8:30 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

I CAN'T BELIEVE THE NERVE OF THIS WOMAN! I AM SAD FOR HER DAUGHTER IS PAYING THE PRICE FOR HER MOTHERS MISTAKE, BUT I WOULD HOPE THE MOTHER CAN SEE HOW IT IS COMPLETELY HER FAULT HER DAUGHTER WILL SUFFER FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE BECAUSE OF THE CHOICE THAT SHE MADE. LIKE THE SAYING GOES 'YOU MAKE YOUR BED,NOW SLEEP IN IT.' THE MOTHER SHOULD PAY BACK EVERY PENNY TO THE 'FATHER' THAT WAS LIED TO 

 

 
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January 1, 2008, 8:41 pm PST

Been there

I am a victim of this behavior. While I was away on a west-pac cruise in the Navy, my then girlfriend was sleeping with other men. (I didn't know it at the time, but she has a talent for making you believe whatever she wants you to believe) I came home 7 months later and was with her for 2 weeks before returning to the naval base. A few months later she had told me she was pregnant and assured me that it was mine. I really did not have any grounds to believe otherwise, but I did question whether or not he was mine - she adamantly assured me that I was indeed the father. Based on my misguided trust, I married her a month prior to her giving birth. 2 years later we had another child. 15 months later she was pregnant yet again and at that time told me that our youngest child was not mine, and that she had lied to me all along. I had to make a decision then to stay with her, despite the betrayal, or walk away, leaving my illegitimate and legitimate sons and another to come with a broken home. Reluctanlty, I stayed in the marriage, trying to make the best of the situation, but felt little compassion for my wife. It was next to impossible to feel emotional toward her, as the trust and respect was destroyed. 8 years of marriage and she left me for another man. She felt that she could not live with me, as my progression of healing was occuring too slow. During the entire time I never treated our son any different than my two others. I never felt anguish or resentment toward him, as I had only known him as my own. Needless to say my ex-wifes' new relationship did not work out as planned. She married and divorced once again, which once again took a toll on our children. My willingness to stand by my marriage and son, despite the mistrust, deception and betrayal ended up being the best thing that ever happened to me, as I have contentment in my heart. My son loves me and knows in his heart that I did everything in my power to keep us together. He loves me as his dad and I love him as my son. In a nutshell - you reap what you sow. As a result of living with the guilt and selfishness, my ex-wife lives in turmoil to this day. Sometimes it takes years for it all to come out in the wash but sooner or later, living a good life or living a bad life, will come back to revisit you. To my ex-wifes' credit, she feels that I am not financially responsible for her son. I don't know if that is her way of healing herself, or if she genuinely feels as such - as I have implied, she has a talent for lying.

 

From how I see it, a womans experience of bearing children, deciding whether or not to abort it, give it up for adoption, taking the morning-after pill, lying to provide a fathers support, etc...does not come without responsibility. Making these decisions are critical in that childs life. The reward in making good choices are observed in the bonds mothers share with their children, as they are absolutely priceless. But the consequences of making bad choices are sometimes detrimental to everyone involved. Men cannot experience child bearing, decide on abortion, etc... and therefore do not hold the high responsibilities that women do. Not so strangely, fathers, although do share priceless bonds with their children, are generally considered secondary when compared to a mothers bond. This is not to belittle a fathers bond with thier children, but to emphasize the pros and cons a woman must consider when she contemplates deception with fatherhood.

 
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January 1, 2008, 8:47 pm PST

Hold All Parties Responsible

Dr. Phil is right - the child is the highest priority.

Gloria Allred is flat-out wrong to defend this woman though - a true defense of the child, who she claims she is so concerned about - would include a penance for the lying, deceitful mother.  Without reparation on her part, what does the child learn about lying, cuckolding men, and her worth as something other than a child-support check to her mother.

I liked the work of Carnell - men must pay their part when they leave the mother of their children, but they should also be protected from women who commit fraud and lie about who the father of their child is... these women should face the same penalties as dead-beat dads.

Enrique should be entitled to, and encouraged to have a relationship with the child he raised as his own for 10 years.  The mother should apologize to the child and Enrique and return the child support money she took.  Dr. Phil should remind the child that the mother did wrong and that  though both parents made mistakes, they both love her and should be allowed and encouraged to participate in her life. 

Sadly, the mother's lying and deceit reduces credibility of women everywhere - she feels safe admitting her lies and guilt because she knows that she has no price to pay when in fact all the family's trials belong at her doorstep.  If women want the courts to support them and enforce laws against deadbeat dads, then women need to realize that the law must protect the victims in all situations, and "cuckolders" must pay restitution, and women who commit fraud to make innocent men pay for someone else's child (the men aren't the only willing partners in these sexual affairs that result in a pregnancy), should also have legal action taken against them.

 
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January 1, 2008, 8:52 pm PST

For the love of a Child

Both of the parents need to get over the entire money situation. I don't feel that Enrique should have to pay. If he choose too then let him be. I just feel bad for Selina. I don't think that both of these parents realize the pain the that BOTH have inflicted upon her. They both ,made mistakes that are going to affect slina the rest of her life. I know how selina feels to be not wanted. It is never a good feeling for anyone to have especially a child. They need to look at it from her point of view. A piece of paper shouldn't prove anything, it should be the love he has for the child. Or the love he DID have. Stay Strong Selina, hopefully everything works out for the best.
 
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January 1, 2008, 9:11 pm PST

Why Even Bring It Up?

One of the issues your show neglected to raise concerns the motives of the "new" wife. What selfish need was she fulfilling by blabbing her suspicions and encouraging the paternity test?

 

I'm pretty sure my husband of 12 years is not the biological father of his youngest child. No savings in child support would be worth the pain it would cause both of them to find this out. Sometimes there's a reason men don't spot what seems pretty obvious to the rest of us. If she loved Enrique - clearly she didn't love Selena - she would have kept her mouth shut.

 
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January 1, 2008, 9:17 pm PST

she should be ashamed what shes doing to her child

     i am outraged at the mothers attitude on the show.  she should be held accountable for her actions.  she put on a good act, like she was sorry.  she wasn't.  she tricked this man, and was not woman enough to be honest to him, her child, and the biological father of her daughter.  he should be paid every dime of child support back, and she should be punished in whatever way the law requires.  i cant stand women that do this.  i am a mother, and a woman knows who she lays down with, and if it is possible for someone else to be the father of their child.  this is not funny and its not a game, and a lot of woman play this game all the time.  they should be held responsible if they choose to do this.  this is a crime in my book.  they play with the life and well being of their children.  she had the right as a woman and mother to be honest to her child, and this man.  she needs to find the father and give her child the chance to know him because she will always wonder about her biological father.  i know, i don't know mine.  i am disgusted by this person, and i don't consider her to be a real woman.  SHE DID THIS TO HER BABY, AND SHE SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO SHOW HER FACE IN PUBLIC.  I HOPE SHE GET WHAT SHE DESERVES.  everytime i hear, you are not the father, i want to throw up.
 
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January 1, 2008, 9:31 pm PST

Unbelievable deceit

I can't believe this entire situation.  I am appalled that this woman doesn't acknowledge that she is the one responsible for this child's situation.  How dare she!  If it is not about the money for her; then let Enrique have visitation without child support!  This has been about her from the birth of the child.  Maria is selfish!  She obviously didn't want to risk her home life at the time of the child's birth and she certainly didn't want to give up child support.  By telling the truth; she would have possibly ended her marriage at the child's birth and by telling the truth during the divorce; she ran the risk of losing child support.  Shame on her.  I agree with one thing that Ms. Allred said; there are fathers that do not pay child support & in this case; the biological father is not paying child support and should be; not only for the current but also for the past.   Women in this country have been taken advantage of men because they have no accountability.  I believe Maria is the one at fault; I think she has put her child second to money; I believe she has deceived her ex-husband for 10 years; I believe she has dishonored her wedding vows and I feel extremely sorry for her current husband; he might not be the brightest bulb in the box if he thinks he can trust her!   I think Enrique should be allowed to pursue visitation without having to pay child support and I think if Maria wants child support; she should consult her adulterous lover.
 
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January 1, 2008, 9:43 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

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One of the issues your show neglected to raise concerns the motives of the "new" wife. What selfish need was she fulfilling by blabbing her suspicions and encouraging the paternity test?

 

I'm pretty sure my husband of 12 years is not the biological father of his youngest child. No savings in child support would be worth the pain it would cause both of them to find this out. Sometimes there's a reason men don't spot what seems pretty obvious to the rest of us. If she loved Enrique - clearly she didn't love Selena - she would have kept her mouth shut.

One of the biggest problems in our society in our jusitfication of our wrong actions. You are justifing the fact that you did the wrong thing, by saying it would hurt the other parties too much. So now not only do you get away with not owning up to your behavior, but you also get paid for it. A great lesson to teach our children isn't it. Look I'm a single father of 2 children and if a DNA test was done on my kids and it said I wasn't their biological father it would hurt honestly. However, it would never change the fact that I AM THEIR DADDY, and I sure wouldn't just kick them out of my house and or my life because my ex was a liar and a cheat.  Both parents in this show made very very stupid mistakes. The biggest one is not putting their children first. But to justify your dishonesty by saying what they don't know won't hurt them. Man who's sounds like the child now.
 
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January 1, 2008, 9:46 pm PST

Many suffer becouse of one

A relationship between a father and a child is a gift of a lifetime.  What a shock it would be to find out at any point in time that a child you were told was yours by someone you loved and trusted with all your heart was not yours.  Needless to say, the deceit would be a very difficult thing, for a man, to work through.  The father and child would need to talk about the deceit and work through the issues to decide whether to continue the relationship or not. 

If a woman places herself in a position, that she can rob a man of money, his hopes and dreams, and the experience of a life then she is responsible.  She should be held responsible by the court of law like any other grand theft criminal in the USA.  How is this criminal act any different then stealing, or robbing someone.

In no way, should the government have the ability to force a man to be financially responsible for a child that is not his.  It should be the man’s right to continue any financially support should he choose. 

So in our courts eyes.  It is OK that a man’s life is destroyed.  The woman benefits because she chooses the guy, out of who knows how many potential sex partners, the one man she believes would bear the financial responsibility to pay for her irresponsibility.

 

THIS IS WRONG!!!!

 
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