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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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January 2, 2008, 11:44 am PST

I'm disappointed in you, Dr. Phil

I have 3 children and I, too, have learned from experience, that there are always 2 sides.  But if you are so concerned about the children, you will take into consideration that children are not stupid-although parents constantly treat them like they are, which pisses me off indescribably.  They deserve love and healthy supportive relationships with authority figures in their lives-including, but not limited to-their parents-Yes.  But they also deserve to know the truth.

 

Dr. Phil, I can't believe you didn't explain the other option, besides lying to them or destroying them with abandonment.  How about TELLING THEM THE TRUTH?!!!!  Kids appreciate being spoken to with dignity, love, respect, and consideration.  If you don't tell them that the main paternal figure in their life is not their father, they are going to have truckloads of baggage as adults-simply because they won't know who to trust!  On what level is that the right thing to do?

 

You-as a father-can say to them:  "I love you, you are so important to me, and this (issue of paternity) has nothing to do with you.  It's not your fault, it's not your responsibility, but you have the right to know the truth, and I'm telling you because I trust your maturity and respect your strength (obviously adjust the phrasing to their age and intelligence).  You deserve to know the truth, but it doesn't change my love for you.  It may change some of the details of who pays for what, but that's all on paper.  And it's NOT your problem.  You don't need to be involved in it.  The confusion between your mother and I about the fact that I am not your father is not your problem.  But I wanted to know if you are interested in finding your real father right now?  If you want to find your real father, I will help you in any way you need me to, and I'm not going anywhere.  Because this doesn't mean we can't still have a relationship.  And if you ever need to talk about this with me, I'm always here for you. " 

 

It is very black and white.  And you have a responsibility to tell people that, Dr. Phil.  Why do both of the options you give people have to be destructive?

 
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January 2, 2008, 3:53 pm PST

know the feeling

hi dr phil  ijust wanted tosay that the mother should have dropped the support order so that her daugther could have a relationship with the father.if she even cared for her daugther she would of seen that it was causing problems and should have dropped the money and kept the relationship between them open after all it was her not them that made the choice to not say anything i as a mom knows when and who is the father to your child if noone esle does you do and she should of own up and take the lost as a mother and let the money go ,that is the whole problem here is the money not the love for the two of them.i have two children from a different man and i took the relationship over the money for my children .a relationship is so much more inportant than any dollar amount toany child and they never ever need to feel from any parent that money is more inpontant then them . the mother need to be ashame to think that her daugther lost the only man she ever loved and knew as her dad for money ,and  her mother could have kept that from happen . i know deep down that she always knew he was not the dad and knows that she messed up and should take that lost for her child
 
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January 2, 2008, 8:46 pm PST

this is my childhood

Why are so many pointing fingers at the mom. I believe it is clear she made a mistake yes a big one. But focus on who is effected the most the child she didn't cheat or lie.

 

I was in the same situation At 28 I found out what I suspected for about 15years was true.My mom had an affair while married to her 1st husband.My mothers husband knew but didn't care as long as she stayed with him. And when that didn't work and after a few years later when he realized he would never get her back he chose to treat me as if I was nothing but a burden yet he treated my older brother like a golden child. (My brother was told as a child the truth but was threaten not to tell me) I grew up feeling as though there was something wrong with me. I was ugly worthless and it led to abuse from my mother mentally she let me be beat by my step dad who was the only solid father figure I had.

 

Selina is the one left trying to figure out where she fits in like a missing puzzle piece! He fathered her for 9yrs and walked out like it was nothing! How can and  why do adults think it is ever ok to hurt a child like this she is the true victim. He is a coward and I feel he knew the whole time she wasn't his which he went along with until it no longer benefit him and when a new woman entered his life she pushed him out of her own personal gain. He had the gift of unconditional love that a child gives until he threw it away like a piece of trash. I feel most men in this situation know the child isn't theres. But alot are man enough to love that child just as if they adopted them. 

 

My heart goes out to Selina and I hope she can grow up and take on the attitude I have .......What doesn't kill us Makes us stronger!!!!!

 

I am now 31 and happily married w 4 beautiful children ! My husband and I   TRY TO PASS ON THE GOOD THINGS WE LEARNED FROM OUR PARENTS AND WE TRY TO CHANGE ALL THE NEGATIVE! 

 

THE FOLLOWING ARE IMPORTANT....

*We don't know what was going on in their lives when this occured,so who are we to judge?

*If they had adopted her would he have ran the same

**When is it ever ok to tell a child at a park to tell them you don't want to be their parent

****YOUR CHILDREN ARE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THEM WITH EVERY DECISION YOU MAKE IN LIFE!

 

THE ADULTS SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED BY THEMSELVES AND i GIVE THE STEPDAD CHRIS THE MOST RESPECT AND PRAY THE THE MOM NEVER TREATS THAT BEAUTIFUL CHILD WITH NOTHING BUT LOVE RESPECT AND ENCOURAGEMENT! AND NOW THAT SHE DOES KNOW LET HER HAVE AS MUCH INFO ABOUT HER BIOLOGICAL FATHER SO SHE CAN DESIDE WHAT SHE WANTS OUT OF IT.

 

 
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January 2, 2008, 10:39 pm PST

DNA Requirement

The only way for this problem to be corrected is to require a DNA test of all new births.  It should accompany the Birth Certificate.  Mothers will know up front they can not lie about the child's paternity and the true Father will be revealed at birth.  With all the facts available, the spouse can then make an educated decision regarding his role in the child's life.  This Mother disgusts me.  To knowingly go after the wrong man and expecting money for the result of an affair is wrong and criminal.  The Mother should be charged with fraud and thrown in prison, for many years.  All money paid for child support should be reimbursed, with interest.  It's sad the child has to suffer, but that is the fault of the Mother.  The poor Father was the victim in this situation and was lied to at every level.  There should never be a time limit on the truth.  Also, the lawyer on the show made me sick.  What a news hound looking for self glory.  Require DNA on all births and this problem will disappear.
 
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January 3, 2008, 8:45 am PST

Who is Going to Pay?

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The only way for this problem to be corrected is to require a DNA test of all new births.  It should accompany the Birth Certificate.  Mothers will know up front they can not lie about the child's paternity and the true Father will be revealed at birth.  With all the facts available, the spouse can then make an educated decision regarding his role in the child's life.  This Mother disgusts me.  To knowingly go after the wrong man and expecting money for the result of an affair is wrong and criminal.  The Mother should be charged with fraud and thrown in prison, for many years.  All money paid for child support should be reimbursed, with interest.  It's sad the child has to suffer, but that is the fault of the Mother.  The poor Father was the victim in this situation and was lied to at every level.  There should never be a time limit on the truth.  Also, the lawyer on the show made me sick.  What a news hound looking for self glory.  Require DNA on all births and this problem will disappear.
It sounds like a great idea at face value to DNA all children born in the US.  The question is how much do these tests costs?  I believe that they are still fairly expensive.  If it becomes law then will insurance companies pay?  Medicaid?  I can hear my skyrocketing taxes.
 
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January 3, 2008, 11:35 am PST

Parent Trap

Dear Dr Phil:  I have watched your episode of Parent Trap several times now and i'm still confused.  Correct me if i'm wrong, but did your "legal" guest Gloria Allred not say that it is the law to notify the courts or whoever within 2 years when you find out a child is not yours?  Did Enrique not notify people immediately when he found out?  I felt like there should of been a little more sympathy for the father Enrique.  My gosh, here is a man who did go 10 years thinking this precious little girl was his child only to find out she wasn't. Yes, he handled how he told her wrongly, but my gosh he had just found out that his wife (who by the way in my opinion was very arrogant, unsympathic and all whole lot more - which i'll get to in a minute) had an affair resulting in the birth of a child that he just found out was not his.  Then this child has turned on him because of his behavior, let HER MOTHER'S BEHAVIOR, ACTIONS, REASONING ETC., IN MY OPINION IS THE ONLY ONE WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON TRIAL HERE.  NOT HIS....This woman, cheated, lied, manipulated, was dishonest, mentally abusive - she was the one who started all of this and yet she still has a realtionship with her daughter.  The daughter said nothing about her mother.  I view what she did as mental/emotional abuse - her mother caused all of this, she let the father think it was his child, she let the CHILD think it was her father - geez I do feel sorry for this young girl, but I am not convinced being with this mother is the best thing for the girl. I see the future now, this child begins to "act out" and it will always be the father's fault for here on out for whatever wrong happens to this girl because he handled "telling the truth" wrongly instead of lying, cheating, manipulating, and all that the mother has done.  That mother should have to pay any money back, call the real sperm donor and inform him of the existence of a child through their adulterous affair, apologize to the child for the diaster in her life that she has caused, and allow Enrique to have vistation with the child without her interference. And, if Enrique would like to treat this young girl with anyhing financially out of the goodness of HIS HEART, the exchange of funds should be between Enrique and the girl and THAT MOTHER SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET HER HANDS ON A DIME OF HE MONEY.
 
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January 4, 2008, 7:36 am PST

Re: Parent Trap

Here is a situation that is a very common one, more common than we will ever know because still there are fathers out there who don't have the slightest idea that they have been tricked into supporting a child that is not theirs. My most concern lies on the child in this situation, of course. I hope she will be resilient in all this and will become a better person.

 

While I totally disagree with what the father did, I could understand where he was coming from. He was tricked into the situation and while his infuriation was justified, his actions were not. I feel no remorse for the mother because she is the cause of the whole problem and if she made the bed, she should lie in it. As adults we should take responsibility for our own actions, not for others. Enrique responded out of hurt because he felt wronged, and he was, not only by his ex wife, but also the court system. He should have continued the same relations with his daughter he had before with no one telling him he had to pay financial support. He should be able to support her and take care of her just as before instead of it being like a pay check to the mother. I understand that the court system want the best interest of the child, but is forcing someone to pay solving the main problem? Here we have a child that was still hurt and now will have issues that may not have happened had Enrique not gotten desperate and in spite did what he did to his daughter. I think most men, if given the opportunity, would step up after being emotionally locked to someone, and still continue the relationship after learning of the tragic events. No one likes to go through emotional withdrawal.

 

It is absolutely wrong for the court systems to force someone to pay for something they were tricked into. By ordering the nonbiological father to pay child support it is saying he is wrong to have supported her 10 years of her life. It is all his fault for being a father to her all these years and for that he must continue to pay. The victim is and will continue to be victimized. Where is the justice? How are the scales balanced?

 
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January 4, 2008, 4:24 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

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Dear Dr Phil:  I have watched your episode of Parent Trap several times now and i'm still confused.  Correct me if i'm wrong, but did your "legal" guest Gloria Allred not say that it is the law to notify the courts or whoever within 2 years when you find out a child is not yours?  Did Enrique not notify people immediately when he found out?  I felt like there should of been a little more sympathy for the father Enrique.  My gosh, here is a man who did go 10 years thinking this precious little girl was his child only to find out she wasn't. Yes, he handled how he told her wrongly, but my gosh he had just found out that his wife (who by the way in my opinion was very arrogant, unsympathic and all whole lot more - which i'll get to in a minute) had an affair resulting in the birth of a child that he just found out was not his.  Then this child has turned on him because of his behavior, let HER MOTHER'S BEHAVIOR, ACTIONS, REASONING ETC., IN MY OPINION IS THE ONLY ONE WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON TRIAL HERE.  NOT HIS....This woman, cheated, lied, manipulated, was dishonest, mentally abusive - she was the one who started all of this and yet she still has a realtionship with her daughter.  The daughter said nothing about her mother.  I view what she did as mental/emotional abuse - her mother caused all of this, she let the father think it was his child, she let the CHILD think it was her father - geez I do feel sorry for this young girl, but I am not convinced being with this mother is the best thing for the girl. I see the future now, this child begins to "act out" and it will always be the father's fault for here on out for whatever wrong happens to this girl because he handled "telling the truth" wrongly instead of lying, cheating, manipulating, and all that the mother has done.  That mother should have to pay any money back, call the real sperm donor and inform him of the existence of a child through their adulterous affair, apologize to the child for the diaster in her life that she has caused, and allow Enrique to have vistation with the child without her interference. And, if Enrique would like to treat this young girl with anyhing financially out of the goodness of HIS HEART, the exchange of funds should be between Enrique and the girl and THAT MOTHER SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET HER HANDS ON A DIME OF HE MONEY.

Gloria Allred referred to 2 years after the birth of the child being the time limit to contest paternity.  After that a bond has formed- similar to adoption and the father is considered the legal father by the courts. 

 
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January 5, 2008, 1:16 pm PST

paternity trick

     I guess Maria didn't want to go to her child's real father for support.  She probably figured she wouldn't get any.  She lied to Enrique so she could get money.  If I married a man that had a child from a previous marriage, and his ex wife was like Maria, I would want a DNA test too. This woman lied to her husband and her daughter.  How can she live with herself?  She is moving on to someone else to lie to and connive.  All the while she plays the victim.  Her ex and her daughter are the real victims.  Her daughter should be explained what her mother did and that her "father" reacted wrongly.  She has got to understand why her father reacted this way. I think Maria should pay back Enrique.  Of cause she'll get her new husband to do that if she has to.
 
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January 6, 2008, 12:57 pm PST

this is so very wrong

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It sounds like a great idea at face value to DNA all children born in the US.  The question is how much do these tests costs?  I believe that they are still fairly expensive.  If it becomes law then will insurance companies pay?  Medicaid?  I can hear my skyrocketing taxes.

 This show very much angered me. How dare this women tell her ex that he needs to pay child support for a child that she very much knew was not his. She had the affair and knew from the beginning there was a good possibility that the child was not his.

 I do think that he was in the wrong on how he went about telling his daughter.

Just because I am a woman does not mean I am going to back up another woman or Gloria Allred if they are clearly wrong.

Any child support that he may have given his ex should be paid back to him.

 
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