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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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January 7, 2008, 6:11 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

Quote From: detesa

The only way for this problem to be corrected is to require a DNA test of all new births.  It should accompany the Birth Certificate.  Mothers will know up front they can not lie about the child's paternity and the true Father will be revealed at birth.  With all the facts available, the spouse can then make an educated decision regarding his role in the child's life.  This Mother disgusts me.  To knowingly go after the wrong man and expecting money for the result of an affair is wrong and criminal.  The Mother should be charged with fraud and thrown in prison, for many years.  All money paid for child support should be reimbursed, with interest.  It's sad the child has to suffer, but that is the fault of the Mother.  The poor Father was the victim in this situation and was lied to at every level.  There should never be a time limit on the truth.  Also, the lawyer on the show made me sick.  What a news hound looking for self glory.  Require DNA on all births and this problem will disappear.
i agreed with everything you said with the exception of test all babies. what has our world come to if we now have to test all babies to check for paternity. what happened to being faithul to our spouses or significant others. how can a person live with themselves knowing that the child does not belong to thier partner and now will try to get suport for that child.  it sickens me to know that women can be so deceptive .greedy and coniving with no thought to thier partner or the poor child that will now be in the middle of this mess.  
 
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January 8, 2008, 3:53 pm PST

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Paternal fraud is a very serious matter that will affect a man his entire life. I am 61 years old, my "son" is 39. He is a drug addict who, to this day, routinely tries to add misery to my life. He drags my family into his daily crises and constantly solicits money. I try to maintain the attitude of a responsible parent, perhaps as a parent with an adopted child, but beneath the surface there is an unconscious gremlin that retains seething resentment. I suppose that if my "son" had been happy, healthy, and successful, I would have a great relationship and would probably remain silent on this subject.

I have strong advise for any young man (and this is the voice of experience talking):

1) If you don’t have pre-marital sex, you won’t have this problem. I know that may seem unrealistic in today’s world, so if you must indulge, practice safe sex.

2) If she says that you are the father, insist, absolutely insist, even at the risk of damaging the relationship, on a paternal DNA test. The future consequences can be severe, you don’t know what life changing burdens may lie ahead. The price (not only financial) is potentially horrendous...and by the way don’t ever think that child support ends at age 18.

I have a suggestion for fixing the problem - I think a paternal DNA test should be required by law every time a father is named on a birth certificate, it isn’t that expensive. If somebody can’t afford it, I would gladly donate to a fund to help pay for it.

 
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January 8, 2008, 4:59 pm PST

Where do you get YOUR stats

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I think you need to re-look your "stats." Look at the percentage of women receiving welfare when no male is involved and you will not get those stats. Percentage wise, African American women make up the largest segment of American society on welfare (percentage wise). This is due to the disportionate number of babies born out of wedlock, often to young mothers. Those aren't MY stats; they belong to our U.S. Govt. May I suggest you visit any of official govt websites that deal with poverty.

 

And you are wrong again. NOT EVERY STATE goes after the father, if the father is even known. And many states do NOT have the woman go after the father. Florida asks for the name of the father and supposedly attempts to locate him. Sometimes he's not alive or simply doesn't exist (the woman lied). Sometimes he's incarcerated and has nothing to give (he's a taker and will always be). Sometimes expensive and time-consuming paternity tests are needed becasue the man denies it and the woman had multiple partners. I worked in the state system and have seen hundreds of women get on welfare with the state HOPING to locate and prove who the father is so they can collect. It's a LOSING proposition. We tax-payers AND the innocent children are the REAL losers, though.

 

And don't worry about being labeled a "racist." I've learned that those who profess to champion free speech, tolerance and diversity THE LOUDEST are often the ones who try to silence anything that does not fit into their little worlds. When they disagree, they yell "racist" to silence people. It's sad, but predictable. As long as you speak the TRUTH, you know in your heart the truth. What others think should not matter.

Your stats are wrong.

 

In the past 11 years WHITE PEOPLE have the highest rate of welfare!!!!!   Maybe you should not just spout random racist comments disguised as "Facts"

 

In case you would like to actually do some research you will find that the highest rate of women welfare (38.8%) is made up of white women, while black women make up 37.2%.

 

Also, since white women in the United states have had among the highest rates of teenage pregnancy leading in many cases to at least two years spent on welfare maybe we should focus on educating these poor, stupid white kids and their naive white parents so we can lower the welfare rate. 

 

Just in case you're not familiar with the teen pregnancy rates and need some stats to manipulate and falsely quote to make you look better...here ya go...

 

98 out of 1000 teenagers will get pregnant each year in the U.S...much higher than the UK (46.6 out of 1000) and Canada (38.6 out of 1000), Not to mention higher than many 3rd world countries.

 

White people need to start pulling their own weight, get off welfare, stop having babies when they are babies themselves and start becoming a productive member of society.

 

Are you getting this?  Do you realize how your "innocent" little comments promote racism?  Please stop making up facts to support racsim, it's unkind and not very smart.

 

btw, these stats are from the US Dept of Health and Human Services, and the Overview of Entitlement Programs, Committee on Ways and Means, U.S. House of Representatives...I didn't just make them up to support my own hidden agenda or anything

 

 

 

 

 
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January 9, 2008, 3:16 pm PST

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Your stats are wrong.

 

In the past 11 years WHITE PEOPLE have the highest rate of welfare!!!!!   Maybe you should not just spout random racist comments disguised as "Facts"

 

In case you would like to actually do some research you will find that the highest rate of women welfare (38.8%) is made up of white women, while black women make up 37.2%.

 

Also, since white women in the United states have had among the highest rates of teenage pregnancy leading in many cases to at least two years spent on welfare maybe we should focus on educating these poor, stupid white kids and their naive white parents so we can lower the welfare rate. 

 

Just in case you're not familiar with the teen pregnancy rates and need some stats to manipulate and falsely quote to make you look better...here ya go...

 

98 out of 1000 teenagers will get pregnant each year in the U.S...much higher than the UK (46.6 out of 1000) and Canada (38.6 out of 1000), Not to mention higher than many 3rd world countries.

 

White people need to start pulling their own weight, get off welfare, stop having babies when they are babies themselves and start becoming a productive member of society.

 

Are you getting this?  Do you realize how your "innocent" little comments promote racism?  Please stop making up facts to support racsim, it's unkind and not very smart.

 

btw, these stats are from the US Dept of Health and Human Services, and the Overview of Entitlement Programs, Committee on Ways and Means, U.S. House of Representatives...I didn't just make them up to support my own hidden agenda or anything

 

 

 

 

i don't know where you get your facts as well. african american women as well as hispanic have the highest # 0f babies born out of wedlock.and are on welfare .i see it on  daily basis in the area in which i  live and working in a hospital. white women are a high percentage but not to the amount you claim.
 
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January 9, 2008, 3:16 pm PST

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Quote From: devil_girl

Your stats are wrong.

 

In the past 11 years WHITE PEOPLE have the highest rate of welfare!!!!!   Maybe you should not just spout random racist comments disguised as "Facts"

 

In case you would like to actually do some research you will find that the highest rate of women welfare (38.8%) is made up of white women, while black women make up 37.2%.

 

Also, since white women in the United states have had among the highest rates of teenage pregnancy leading in many cases to at least two years spent on welfare maybe we should focus on educating these poor, stupid white kids and their naive white parents so we can lower the welfare rate. 

 

Just in case you're not familiar with the teen pregnancy rates and need some stats to manipulate and falsely quote to make you look better...here ya go...

 

98 out of 1000 teenagers will get pregnant each year in the U.S...much higher than the UK (46.6 out of 1000) and Canada (38.6 out of 1000), Not to mention higher than many 3rd world countries.

 

White people need to start pulling their own weight, get off welfare, stop having babies when they are babies themselves and start becoming a productive member of society.

 

Are you getting this?  Do you realize how your "innocent" little comments promote racism?  Please stop making up facts to support racsim, it's unkind and not very smart.

 

btw, these stats are from the US Dept of Health and Human Services, and the Overview of Entitlement Programs, Committee on Ways and Means, U.S. House of Representatives...I didn't just make them up to support my own hidden agenda or anything

 

 

 

 

i don't know where you get your facts as well. african american women as well as hispanic have the highest # 0f babies born out of wedlock.and are on welfare .i see it on  daily basis in the area in which i  live and working in a hospital. white women are a high percentage but not to the amount you claim.
 
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January 10, 2008, 4:52 am PST

Well you MUST be right...NOT!

Quote From: swissmiss62

i don't know where you get your facts as well. african american women as well as hispanic have the highest # 0f babies born out of wedlock.and are on welfare .i see it on  daily basis in the area in which i  live and working in a hospital. white women are a high percentage but not to the amount you claim.

Sooooo...the U.S. Gov't statistics are completely wrong and you know everything because you work in one little hospital in one little town in one little state?  You're comment is worthless...I backed up my comment with REAL STATISTICS!!!!

 

Unless you have any proof, don't just start making generalizations based on your skewed view of life...that is how racism is spread.

 

I'll stick to believing the information provided by your gov't's Dept of Health not to mention the independant review by the House of Representatives that proves that WHITES HAVE THE HIGHEST WELFARE RATE!  Why deny the facts..they are just facts.  Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they are wrong.

 

I supported my comments with facts, it is not a "claim"...your comment is a claim.

 
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January 14, 2008, 4:27 pm PST

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Quote From: hshover

A relationship between a father and a child is a gift of a lifetime.  What a shock it would be to find out at any point in time that a child you were told was yours by someone you loved and trusted with all your heart was not yours.  Needless to say, the deceit would be a very difficult thing, for a man, to work through.  The father and child would need to talk about the deceit and work through the issues to decide whether to continue the relationship or not. 

If a woman places herself in a position, that she can rob a man of money, his hopes and dreams, and the experience of a life then she is responsible.  She should be held responsible by the court of law like any other grand theft criminal in the USA.  How is this criminal act any different then stealing, or robbing someone.

In no way, should the government have the ability to force a man to be financially responsible for a child that is not his.  It should be the mans right to continue any financially support should he choose. 

So in our courts eyes.  It is OK that a mans life is destroyed.  The woman benefits because she chooses the guy, out of who knows how many potential sex partners, the one man she believes would bear the financial responsibility to pay for her irresponsibility.

 

THIS IS WRONG!!!!

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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January 14, 2008, 4:29 pm PST

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Quote From: joyklein

I think men in these circumstances should be able to sue these women for fraud. It's no different than someone misrepresenting themselves as an investor and then bilking innocent people of hard earned money. That's a crime punishable by jail and fines, as it should be for these women. No one can put a price on the emotional and mental stress their dishonesty causes but they should still be held liable legally. Women who've done this to men AND their children...SHAME ON YOU! Men who've gone through this...I'm terribly sorry and hope you can some day find peace.
darn right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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January 14, 2008, 4:30 pm PST

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Quote From: joyklein

I think men in these circumstances should be able to sue these women for fraud. It's no different than someone misrepresenting themselves as an investor and then bilking innocent people of hard earned money. That's a crime punishable by jail and fines, as it should be for these women. No one can put a price on the emotional and mental stress their dishonesty causes but they should still be held liable legally. Women who've done this to men AND their children...SHAME ON YOU! Men who've gone through this...I'm terribly sorry and hope you can some day find peace.
darn right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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January 14, 2008, 5:13 pm PST

JUST TELL THE TRUTH!!!!

I think the money should not be court ordered. I think the Mom has a husband who supports HER. If she really cared about her daughter having a relationship with her dad she would have said "you know what I lied and you should not pay me but I want you to have a relationship with her anyways". Who is she kidding. Did they not say he was a DOCTOR!!! She wants his money, hello!!! I think Enrique should still support both of his daughters with integrity. I think he by law has to pay child support to Maria for his biological daughter but for his non biological daughter I think he should take her out, buy her clothes, set up a college account for her, ect, simply because he LOVES AND CARES about her.  BUT I DO NOT THINK ANOTHER PENNY SHOULD GO TO THE MOM! I would not trust her with ANYTHING. Obviously she cannot be trusted and she is a HUGE liar. Just her body lauguage on the show was DISGUSTING. I wanted to scream at her. I think Maria and her new husband are just money hungry idiots. I agree Enrique could have handled telling his daughter the truth a lot differently but I think it is good she knows the truth for health purposes especially. And why are they not going after the REAL BIOLOGICAL dad? I highly doubt after all this time Maria knows where he is. I hope they  can establish a relationship again without the mom keeping the daughter ransom because she wants MONEY!
 
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