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Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 11:20:02 am
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Have you read "Self Matters" or become familiar with the process of uncovering your authentic self from watching the show? Share your story here.

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September 2, 2005, 7:40 pm PDT

Teri, I undrestand....

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Brenda, 

  

First of all, again a deep thank you for you candidness.  I agree, those who make poor choices should be held accountable for their actions, regardless.  If it is a choice, we have the capacity to make it, if that makes sense.   

  

I hold my ex responsible for all of his behavior.  I have worked in the Developmental Disability, Mental Health field for many years.  I have learned there are limits to organic issues with mental health, yet nobody has a free ticket to abuse, stalk, threaten, endanger or toxify anyone else.   

  

I had written a response yesterday to your post but it was lost when I posted it as for some reason the site signed me out.  It was quite a bit longer and had a lot of very personal stuff in it.  At this point I realize that what I need to say is thank you.  I feel as if someone "heard" me, and that means the world to me.  Thank you.  You are a blessing.   

Teri 

I so-o-o understand!  

I have worked in Behavioral Health my entire career AND I too, have someone in my personal life who can and will use their diagnostic history as justification for creating all kinds of horrific abusive, manipulative and disruptive behaviors while cognitively lucid and completely free of any kind of pathology involving psychosis, etc.  

   

I also understand how it feels to never be heard and/or being vilified for taking a stand on the behaviors that are conscious choices rather than real pathology.  

   

Brenda  

 
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September 2, 2005, 8:32 pm PDT

There are THOSE two doors, again!!!

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 I have completely distanced myself from several "ill" family members. I still speak to them, but do not invite them "into my life". I even have a brother who will never be stable. My father would like for me to say I will have him live with me when my father passes. Part of my coming to a healthy place in my life is to say that will never happen. I cannot have him disrupt my life in that fashion. He is quite frankly a dangerous, although usually sweet dispositioned, person, and I will have to institutionalize him  if something happens to my parents. This is the only way to keep me healthy and society safe. Some people think it's horrible that I would do that, but I know the reality. Those people can feel as they desire. They have never had to make that decision staring down the barrel of a loaded rifle with a schizophrenic at the trigger. I can say, I never will again.

When dealing with someone in the immediate family who is Mentally Ill, all too often there are no simple answers. For many folks, I think it does get down to making the healthiest choice for everyone involved, even when it is a VERY unpopular choice among all those who have no day to day knowledge of what this can mean.  

In my own personal situation, I often find myself thinking about a comic strip a colleague of mine once clipped out and posted inside the Nurses Desk where I worked. There was a man standing in front of two doors. One was labeled, “Damned if ya do.” and the other was labeled, “Damned if ya don’t.” On the man’s shoulder the Devil was propped casually on his pitchfork saying, “Go ahead! Pick one!”  

   

Brenda J   

 
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September 3, 2005, 1:28 am PDT

Dear Lynn

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Hi , My corner of the world is full of sunshine one day , rain the next . I have read some of things you have posted , You touched my heart deeply with Your feelings . Every time I am down , And it seems there is no one around , My tears flow like a stream , As the emptiness grows - Darkness seems to be a companion . Yet ! I keep telling myself that No matter what is set before me . I will overcome it . Because I choose to do so . Let me tell You right now that You are a very bright and intelligent , with a gift - that will lead You to many lighted roads . You have the most beautiful and thoughtful ways of showing your feeling . Keep moving forward , You can do what ever You set out to do . Until next week - With Love - Lynn   

Hello, where I live I spend weekends doing things at my family's place, I have access to the internet, I buy bargains and there is lots of places for a dip (short swim), it was a place of rain when I first came but so much drought seems to have ended this.  The week days I live in a place that is difficult at times, and yet I find time to learn a little more Japanese, read Gothics or similar stories, maybe enrol in a course, attend appointments and know a few people, at least until things change,  I had to adapt to change growing up, changing schools in the middle to the school year and being learning to become settled, or contentment quickly, has become a kind of extreme perception, as well as other things like work, going outdoors what I want now, just seem a bit tough to do, as school is and just keeping up the appearance of doing all the things I'm supposed to be doing, is a bit of a preoccupation from childhood, that has had a countereffect, people not understanding me etc. 

  

I write a bit more a bit later.  With deepest of affection, 

Taemanai 

  

  

    

 
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September 3, 2005, 1:47 am PDT

I know how lonely he feels.

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      Like you mentioned " This is the only way to keep me healthy and society safe. Some people think it's horrible that I would do that, but I know the reality.   I showed your messages to my husband last night, when he came home from work, and I can't tell you the good you did him letting us know that we are not alone in our fight to keep dangerous, unhealthy people in his family, OUT OF OURS. 

  

    I think it went a long way to helping him feel better about his choices.  He's been called an "Abandoner", "Evil" Selfish" because he won't bend to their demands to suck our family into their daily chaos.  I think you helped him find a peace with his choices, and that their opinion does not matter at all.  They are sick, they for the most part refuse to see it, or get the help they need.  

People do think it's horrible, and as you said  "Those people can feel as they desire" They don't deal with the lies and the games and the emergency calls.  

 I understand the response from other family members. I also understand how the right choices don't always feel good. I am the person "responsible" for seeking treatment for my brother. I am the "reason" he is on the medication that gives him tardive dyskinesia, or leaves him almost unresponsive, drooling, etc. My family members think all he needs is a "good woman". They believe that his current state is my fault and I take the responsibility for it.

 They refuse to recognize that his "current state" is a better choice than the one he was in that night 7-8 years ago. Unfortunately, I realize that their blindness to his condition is a direct result of their own refusal to deal with the problems in their lives. My father is not an alchoholic. He just drinks(sometimes a case a night on a daily basis, and passes out in his vomit, at the wheel...). Etc... I recognize now that getting pulled into the sickness that exists and others are blind to skews your perspective and firmly believe it will make you sick too.

I applaud you guys for having the strength to distance yourselves and make the right decision to keep yourselves and your family whole. It is the more difficult choice. I know just how much more difficult it is than just smiling and turning a blind eye.

Kim

 
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September 3, 2005, 4:11 am PDT

Is this your pet?

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There are people who just want to dig an emotional bunker and jump inside. They think if they put up enough walls, they'll always be safe. The irony is that instead of locking others out, they are actually locking themselves in. They may avoid a few things that make life difficult, but in the end, they also miss out on all the wonderful things that make life worth living.  

   

--Bradley Trevor Grieve   

The little dog in the box-window? 

  

Taemanai 

  

 
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September 3, 2005, 4:49 am PDT

How, not what,

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When dealing with someone in the immediate family who is Mentally Ill, all too often there are no simple answers. For many folks, I think it does get down to making the healthiest choice for everyone involved, even when it is a VERY unpopular choice among all those who have no day to day knowledge of what this can mean.  

In my own personal situation, I often find myself thinking about a comic strip a colleague of mine once clipped out and posted inside the Nurses Desk where I worked. There was a man standing in front of two doors. One was labeled, “Damned if ya do.” and the other was labeled, “Damned if ya don’t.” On the man’s shoulder the Devil was propped casually on his pitchfork saying, “Go ahead! Pick one!”  

   

Brenda J   

Behaving like those in a clinical situation, I think is the worst thing a person can do.  Anyone having problems will need variety.  This is what everyone needs, whether you are ill or not.  Your own behaviours rather than the choice is what will make the best solution for everyone. 

  

'A healthiest choice' is to give variety.  If the situation, for some reason does not provide that, or you cannot, in the way you visit or whatever, then that is the least healthiest choice.  To still have choices, like when we eat, that is what is the best way.   

  

Taemanai 

 
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September 3, 2005, 5:25 am PDT

the un-imagined

I haven't seen 'What the Bleep do we know' but sounds intriguing.  I just looked up this web-site. 

(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399877/plotsummary 

  

But when it comes to space, we have influences that we do not know of, some of us are really like rabbits madly trying to find out what will suit the advancement into the space/universe-race and so therefore carrying on our own journey can continue around us relies on this, (the stop-watch the rabbit is carrying in Alice in Wonderland). 

  

I haven't seen it though, just thinking. 

  

Taemanai 

 
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September 3, 2005, 5:33 am PDT

The images on-line are fab.!

So individual and representative of where we all are at the moment.  If I had an image, it would be a map of wind-currents with pale lights floating, if one can imagine this, somehow, like an under-water world.   

  

Taemanai 

  

 
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September 3, 2005, 5:48 am PDT

Maps are a tool

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And we get to decipher what that is.  I am learning that wisdoms come in many ages.   

  

As I read your posts, I find a reference to a map.  A life map is such a wonderful tool!  My boyfriend/mate and I were discussing goals, and how they are much like maps.  We see where we are, put the proverbial "X", and then we mark where we want to be.  How we get there, however, is just a detail that works out as we go along.  Often there are many ways to reach the same destination.  Freeway is usually the most direct, yet often not very picturesque.  Sometimes we can find side roads that take us through the interesting places, yet are smooth.  Then we can take the back roads, which can be rough, hard to navigate through, yet almost always with a spectacular view.  Each way of reach the goal is right, yet maybe not each way is right for each individual.   

  

I triage my goals and decide my routes based upon the urgency I place upon them.  I have only one goal right now that I feel requires the "freeway", the rest are back-road types of goals.  I want to know my path intimately, and I want to fill it with interesting people, and I want to hear the music as I go along. 

Teri 

When I write things, I probally have a hidden compliment, like a treasure, in what I say.  That probably what I probally mean't, or would like to have believed, or was taught to be so, like that you each have wisdom, and you're probally all different ages, but I don't know that for sure, that we need to learn this from experience, and that is what roads are for. 

  

I also write, to see if others decipher what may ring true for them, confusions, or whatever, 

also to aid my own knowledge, fill in gaps, like spaces on a map, assumptions that if I don't write anything at all, of significance to others, I'll not realise. 

  

Taemanai 

 
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September 3, 2005, 6:02 am PDT

you welcome

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Marcia, I just had to say to you that to me you have been and are an inspiration! I have quite a bit of respect for you and ALL of the very fine work that you have done working on finding your ‘authentic self’. Honing your skills and passing along insights along the way.  

The fact that you are struggling with this kind of a ‘BEAR’ of disorder only inspires me EVEN more!!!  

I personally owe you a lot of thanks for saying, ‘No, I don’t think that’s right…’ when I was buried alive in my DENIAL! Actually, I owe you a lot of thanks for being the kind of person who comes to this board and responds to someone like me.   

YOU HAVE SHOWN ME UNCONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE, AND I AM GRATEFUL!!!  

  

Love Ya!!!  

Brenda  

Brenda, denial is something we all live with.  Cause then we would have to face our shame issues.  And my illness isn't a burden to me.  It's just a small piece of the whole of me.   

  

God did not put us here to suffer.  We just figured out as kids that suffering was the path to salvation.  Boy was that ever wrong! 

  

  

 
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